Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
FlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
Hooray for penguins!!!
But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4731 posts, RR: 30 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4535 times:
That plane looks awesome! I still can't figure out why I love those Frontier planes so much? Hmmmm. Maybe I should get a job with them.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 3): But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?
N243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 21 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4500 times:
Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 3): But doesn't this defeat the concept of having animals from North America?
I figured that with the amount of new planes F9 was getting they'd soon run out of animals to put on the tail. I must agree, though; that plane looks awesome! Way to go, Frontier!
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10671 posts, RR: 100 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
First a great looking airplane! Second, many moons ago I was patrol leader for Penguin patrol back in boy scouts!
And totally off topic, I'm a Linux supporter, so I know penguins are set for world domination.
My dad is completely baffled by F9's hub from Denver strategy. Personally, I'm impressed how well they've done with it. I believe F9 will be one of the survivors. Obviously due to gread looking tails.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4309 times:
Now all we need is a tail adorned by an Albino Alligator, and we'll be all set!
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4301 times:
Ack...I gotta admit Im not a fan of that one...I think its because of the white background, its not something that would catch my eye right away at an airport, unlike many other F9 tails whose colors are blatantly distinctive from the rest of the fuselage...
Greg
Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
Thanks for that very interesting link, Mariner...learned a lot from it!
Greg
Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4210 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 12): Did you work out that if you hit "previous" (message) and "next" (message) there's a lot more?
Yep...a lot of the Yahoo! board stuff seems to be about stock prices and other stock information and that doesn't really interest me too much so I dont often go there, but the stuff from Potter was good to hear as an F9 frequent flyer...
Greg
Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10671 posts, RR: 100 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4108 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 10): Here is a summary of what he said, courtesy of "xlake" on the Yahoo board:
Mariner, thanks for the link. Several bits struck me:
1. The healthy Mexican market yields. I'm thinking F9 has found their niche.
2. The undertone that customers do not like the RJ's compared to "airbi" but that F9 will go for 70 seaters (shorter routes?).
3. The need to keep up yield (charging for the TV, etc.).
4. F9 is in a steady growth mode, but a metered growth mode.
5. Customer pushback was a concern that was on his mind. (Not yet here, but a condition to be feared if not dreaded.)
Quoting Mariner (Reply 10): I think that the airline world is a very different place when oil is $57 a barrel from what it was at $30 a barrel.
I agree. Last I heart there were just under 650 US airports with daily commercial service; I strongly believe that many of the smaller stations will be closed to cut costs. Obviously high yield stations will continue to operate. I'm predicting that high oil prices will trigger a shakeout starting this Fall.
As I've stated before, I'm bearish on the 50 seat RJ's. (Not that they'll disappear, just that a few hundred will be looking for a home; lonely aluminum souls looking out from the desert boneyards starting this Fall or Winter.) Due to their much better economics, I'm bullish on the larger RJ's and the E-jets.
MTChemNerd757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 230 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4087 times:
re: the penguins, i actually kinda like it, except i think the dark green engine cowls look kinda silly. anybody else notice that?
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4092 times:
Lightsaber:
That's a whole lot of stuff.
Mexico - from Day 1, Mexico was terrific for Frontier, which is why United wanted a big slice of the pie.
However, Frontier serves most (not all, but most) of the big resorts, so what happens? Will they go to other resorts (Caribbean/Costa Rica/Belize) or to business destinations in Mexico? Or the smaller resorts in Mexico?
CEO Potter has hinted at both the Caribbean and "Central America" before, and he did it again in the GS presentation by talking about Mexico and "Latin America".
Mexico AND Latin America? Hmmm.
With LAX out of the way, what CEO Potter says appears to be true. They just bumped IND up to 3 x daily, and for the past three days and through Sunday, virtually every flight DEN/IND is "not available" (Frontier speak for sold out).
Similarly for MDW which is now up to 5 x daily and is seeing more service to DEN by ATA and, of course, United (Ted). But at the moment, the Frontier flights are full. Yields on that route? Dunno.
I think your reading of the RJ situation is probably accurate. The contract with Horizon allows for up to 20 CR7's. but Frontier seems to be in no hurry to expand from the present 9, even assuming more were available.
There is also some resistance to even the 70 seaters. When Frontier announced that DEN/OMA was going back to all mainline (from all express) the message boards were swamped with Omaha people cheering - and complaining about the CR7's.
For other airlines, I think the 50 seat RJ is a plane whose time has gone. Problem is, the majors ordered them in such numbers, and based entire business models on the use of them, so how do they alter that?
It's hard to imagine the majors can just ditch the fleets of RJ's and replace 'em with, say, E175's.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10671 posts, RR: 100 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4057 times:
Mariner,
First, welcome to my RU list! Ummm... With an RR of 49, why do I have a feeling that doesn't give you the thrill it used too...
Quoting Mariner (Reply 17): CEO Potter has hinted at both the Caribbean and "Central America" before, and he did it again in the GS presentation by talking about Mexico and "Latin America".
Both markets make sense. Ok, a penguin in the Caribbean would be a bit ironic!
Yes, a definite Hmmm... But how far down can the A319's go? Certainly central America, but my first assumption would be no further south than Colombia. Still, many opportunities for F9.
Quoting Mariner (Reply 17): There is also some resistance to even the 70 seaters. When Frontier announced that DEN/OMA was going back to all mainline (from all express) the message boards were swamped with Omaha people cheering - and complaining about the CR7's.
Interesting... Maybe I should reduce my enthusiasm on the CRJ700/900? Personally, I'm already much more enthusiastic on the E-jets. (Note: do NOT expect F9 to be on the E-jet bandwagon for many years, if ever.)
Quoting Mariner (Reply 17): For other airlines, I think the 50 seat RJ is a plane whose time has gone. Problem is, the majors ordered them in such numbers, and based entire business models on the use of them, so how do they alter that?
There in a catch 22. As you noted, its a different world at $57/bbl vs. $30/bbl. I expect the "express" divisions to be sold/spun off and then the contracts to be cut, cut, cut! The market has to rationalize some how. (That's always painful...)
Lightsaber
ps: I added the photo of N939FR to my background slide show.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4731 posts, RR: 30 Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3837 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 10): At the recent Goldman Sachs conference, people asked questions of CEO Potter about the LAX/DEN thing.
Here is a summary of what he said, courtesy of "xlake" on the Yahoo board:
Very good link, as the CEO has explained this to the employees. Potter is a very good CEO, and he explains it how it is. This guy has my fullest respect!
UAalltheway,
I agree 100% with you...
I love penquins too!!
..Kevin
25 SWA TPA: I love it! Gotta admit that is one sharp looking airplane! I don't like the baby bus families looks in general but for some reason F9's simple design
27 Dragon-wings: Aren't penguins found in Alaska and northern Canada near the Arctic circle?
28 TedTAce: Not if you believe Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguins
29 BoeingPride800: How does Airbus fly these planes over to the US?
30 Brons2: I can understand. The problem with any CRJ variant (in pax comfort) is the width of the fuselage. It's really not quite wide enough for 4 seats. The
31 FlyingNanook: Short and not so sweet answer: NO
32 Dragon-wings: Tha Thanks I always thought there was some penguins found up there in Alaska and Canada.
33 NASCARAirforce: with all these flights to Florida on Frontier I am surprised they don't have an alligator or a Manatee yet
34 Cactus739: That's the finest piece of tail I've ever seen...... Wonder if those penguins can sing solo?
35 TedTAce: With the artistry that they gave the penguins, I would LOVE to see manatees!!!
36 A340600: Absolutely lovely scheme, one of my favourites yet! Sam
37 AeroVodochody: Awesome! I really like how it goes with the dark green engines.
38 FlyinTLow: yes, have to admit, great colors! Just gotta love it!
39 F9HNLPLZ: That will be another awesome airplane for us to have. Can't wait to see it at DIA. Potter is an awesome CEO as well. He knows what to do and is taking
40 ExFATboy: Yay, penguins! Don't forget the little guys at the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas! And I predict that someday F9 will have a manatee jet - they're just s
41 Ytib: In looking at the schedule it appears that this plane will be heading over on 20APR, with a revenue flight to DEN on 21APR. Can anyone confirm this?
42 DeltaMIA: There is a ton at the New England Aquarium. They get center stage.
43 N751PR: They even got a couple ads on the F9 website. http://www.frontierairlines.com/about/commercials.asp "Hey look! Penguins!" -Grizwald the Grizzly "Wait
44 Azul320: Haha, Those Frontier planes with the animal tails always crack me up when I see one roll by. Most airlines have some boring ass one for all logo. Nice
45 Erikwilliam: How many diferent tail design animals does Frontier have??? Do they have it also in the CRJ`s???
47 Alphascan: Erikwilliam; Most of the tail designs can be seen on an ad on the homepage of the Frontier website. http://www.frontierairlines.com/index.asp Unfortun
48 Mariner: Click on "Frontier" and you will find is all the critter tails - the ones that are and the ones that were: http://www.lockonaviation.net/ cheers marin
49 European: Hi, U can get posters of that picture shown on the website, Don't know how you can get one, but they have been made. Jimmi
50 OzarkD9S: Love the penguins. But I am STILL waiting for "ugly" critters. Rattlesnakes, gila monsters and bats. THAT would be cool.
51 Jetmek319: I can confirm that info to be incorrect.
52 WesternA318: Now a Scorpion would make a nice addition for the PHX-bound flights.
54 AirframeAS: Thats a BEAUTIFUL livery! Thanks for sharing, Ytib!
55 Mariner: Lightsaber: If you're out there, I meant to ask you this before - how far south can the A319's go from Denver? I am having some trouble establishing t
56 AirEMS: Ok I have to rock the boat a little here..... What would be the chances of F9 ever painting a plane in "retro" colors.... I know my Dad, myself and al
57 Jetmek319: Sorry AirEMS. Unfortunately that particular version of the Frontier livery is now owned by Continental Airlines, as you mentioned. They obtained the r
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