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New LCC In Argentina!  
User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1750 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3794 times:

Well, looks like finally we have got a LCC down here.


It seems like the only way to overcome the crisis that they are currently going thru.

So...Southern Winds is a Low Cost Carrier.  Sad


P:S: Sorry about the link in Spanish.Fares are in pesos and are hell cheap.I just paid a very rare promotion to Bariloche in Aerolineas 440 pesos(when regular fares are 700+), and look what they are offering now....

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User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

I got 2 pictures when i did a search. I also got a pic of a Southern Winds 767!! I dont see a new LCC buying a 767 but hey anything possible  Smile
What AC do they have, leased or on order?

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2471 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

They had wet-leased a B767-300ER from Euroatlantic Airways but they have taken back the aircraft in the meantime. They should have 9 B737-200s although I believe not all of them are active and one B747-200.

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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting Stealthpilot (Reply 1):
I dont see a new LCC buying a 767 but hey anything possible

You don't get it, they are not new, I was being a little bit sarcastic...They USED to be a regular carrier but they downgraded into a LCC.Hence the 767's and the 747-200.


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User currently offlineUairFokker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Well, congratulations to Argentina. Now the market has more offerings.
It seems this phenomena is also happenining in Latin America, with Gol, Uair and SW.
Hope SW makes it, and transforms itself into a real low cost airline. This should worry Aerolineas.

(I prefer Pluna although)

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

That picture of Don Juan (Maggio) reveals him as the clown he is.

The LCC model won't work for Southern Winds. Here are some of the reasons:

-They are a disaster at present. Lowering their fares is a pure act of desperation, no different to the signing of the accord with state-backed LAFSA in 2003 to avert bankruptcy or the narcotrafficking they undertook in an effort to fund the procurement of the promised 737-300s and MD-11s last year, which as we all know never arrived.

-Their route network is a mess at present. Many of their (8 remaining) national destinations are no longer direct, and some, such as Calafate (FTE) are now being served just once a week. Today one of A4's planes was routed AEP-COR-SLA (Salta)--not necessarily bad but probably inconvenienced a great deal of passengers.

-The 30-year-old 737-200s that form A4's entire domestic fleet are expensive to operate, and far from ideal for any LCC. The 2 737-200s that were due to join the fleet around now (former Lapa LV-YZA and another from the US) will probably never materialise, and in the meantime, of the 7 currently pertaining to A4, only 2 are kept flying. Rival American Falcon (WK) boasts 3 while AR has something in the region of 30, not to mention competitive fares.

-The 767 is sitting in SCL, grounded by GECAS, its future unknown (Euroatlantic were the operators, GECAS the lessor). There is a chance it will be reincorporated, but for this the 747 would have to be returned. In addition, no more Jumbos are likely to join in the near future, as demand begins to contract sharply.

And I can tell you something else: load factors are poor. From MAD-EZE a couple of weeks ago, I'd say that over 80% of Economy class passengers had 3 or 4 seats to themselves, while Surf was empty. When I went to stretch my legs in the middle of the night, almost everyone was "horizontal". Tonight the 747 left EZE barely half-full to MAD, and most of the passengers I saw checking-in had clearly booked through Air Europa (UX) instead of A4. Until Southern Winds can restore public confidence, they would be better off operating the 767 instead of the loss-making Jumbo.

AR have NO reason to worry about A4. American Falcon is under control, as they allow AR the use of their F28 in return for the maintenance of their 737s and the covering of many operating costs. Not sure when the last time was that AR had this little competition, but I'd hazard a guess that it was upwards of 15 years ago.

I think it is still FAR too soon to be optimistic about Southern Winds. I don't see LAN supporting them beyond the 90 days they have committed too, especially if LAFSA keep telling them to get stuffed. For those unaware as to why LAFSA employees are so against a takeover by LAN, it is simply because most if not all of them will be fired, as they would actually have to work for their jobs instead of being dished-out 4,000USD a month for doing nothing. LAFSA is heavily unionised and on the whole--excuse the sweep--lazy, so give me or give them one good reason for LAN to hire them.

As one who flew on Southern Winds a fortnight ago and who has to fly on them again in 10 days, take it from me, AVOID THEM!!!



How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 5):
As one who flew on Southern Winds a fortnight ago and who has to fly on them again in 10 days, take it from me, AVOID THEM!!!

I should have learned that.Coming back to EZE from ORD via MIA,I took in the first leg AA,while for the MIA-EZE leg took A4.They cancelled my flight due to lessor problems, and not only nobody noticed me, when I did left my US address to them, but they rebooked me in a week-later flight.Obviously no intentions whatsoever to pay for my stay.After my hissing and pissing in the airport, they told me that as a ''favor'' they would locate me ''free'' in a LAB flight, wich I profusely refused.I told them in our arrogant Argentina way(compadrito malevo...  Smile )that I'll only fly UA, AA,LAN or RG.They again were ''polite'' and booked me in a RG flight (thus loosing my non-stop status that was the reason for my booking with them, instead of for example LAN, that would stop in SCL on it's way to MIA)wich I found out afterwards that was a mistake too, cause they terribly stink, or at least their 767's(the MD's weren't bad).So this time I learned my lesson:in three weeks I'm flying to NYC, but will be in DL, and to my three-day-visit to CHI will fly WN, to MDW.

Never again, Mike.

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