ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Hey Guys,
For some reason unknown to me QF will operate some of the BNE-AKL-LAX flights QF25/26 with 743's on 7 flights during April and May.
All these aircraft are now fitted with PTV's in Y and have a nice new interior!
Flights are on
Friday April 15th, Sunday 17th, Friday 22nd, Sunday 24th and Friday 29th for April, and for May Friday 6th and Friday 13th.
Hopefully VH-EBU Nalanji dreaming will visit, though it is currently the last aircraft getting the new interior and is still at AVV, not sure when it is due back in service.
Qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5745 posts, RR: 49 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4956 times:
Nalanji is still at Avalon, the CRS shows that it's a 743 but the QF site doesnt list the flight at all, only shows the nonstop and not 25/26.
maybe some of the 2 class 744's are going in for refit, but according to QF the Bne-Akl-Lax is not operating.
the other interesting thing is that there is not one single seat available on any of the 743 flights, very unsual, wonder if its actually going to be oprating at all.
[Edited 2005-04-05 11:59:35]
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ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4925 times:
QF schedules do list QF25/26!
QF25 AKL-LAX had 453POB last Tuesday, this flight is always heavy, with the skybeds the 2 class 744's will only seat 412 compared to the current 432, maybe loads are very high but the 743's have been in the schedules for some time.
Monteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 31 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4790 times:
I was going to hazard a guess that the ops guys had shuffled the 743's around to correspond with the main runway works at MEL which are causing weight restrictions for the outgoing 744's but it appears that is not the case.
Not sure why the 743's are heading to LAX... I thought they're solely used for Hawaii and India now but obviously not.
also, how´s the competition to Australia/New Zealand from LAX???
U have QF and NZ to AKL and then to SYD.
here in the southern part of the world, U can get there via Buenos Aires, with QF and Aerolineas Argentinas, but i´m not too sure if they still do this flight
The both times I went to Australia I did it via Buenos Aires, with a stop in AKL.
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Qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5745 posts, RR: 49 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4756 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2): QF schedules do list QF25/26!
the timetable shows it but the CRS on QF site doesn't, the CRS i checked showed that it was not for sale on the Bne-Akl-Lax sectors. i'd say it maybe replacing a 744 that is undergoing a refit.
i think the 2 class 744's are due in for the re-fit in J class very soon.
Lax-Mel is re-routed via Sydney and using the 744 whilst runway works are going on at Mel.
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Monteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 31 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4758 times:
Erikwilliam,
Aerolineas Argentinas do operate to SYD. Not sure on the flight details. I believe you can also fly from Santiago with QF, not sure about NZ.
As for the LAX competition, its pretty weak really. UA, QF and NZ. Other alliance carriers can be flown but connecting with the three above with an intermediate destination. Hopefully the Aust. Government will allow the route to open up a little. Competition can't be too bad for this route.
Erikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4584 times:
Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 7): As for the LAX competition, its pretty weak really. UA, QF and NZ
Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there, they are both Star members, why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD, they must have a agreement wth QF, wich makes more sense, or like they do in SCL with LAN.
My guess is, QF did better on this subject.
thx for the replies
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Even aside for the alliance with QF, I'm not sure AA have the right to fly to Oz. I think its part of the Bilateral agreement between the two countries.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4359 times:
Quoting TR (Reply 3): I was not aware that a 743 with full load could make it nonstop from AKL to LAX??
The flight from LAX to AKL (the one against the wind) is 3 hours shorter than LAX-SYD, so the 743 does not have an issue with it.
Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11): Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there, they are both Star members
Actually, it does. UA does the LAX-SYD-MEL flying, which is a cash cow route, while NZ dropped LAX-SYD and added more LAX-AKL as well as LAX-CHC
Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11): why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD, they must have a agreement wth QF,
Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12): I'm not sure AA have the right to fly to Oz. I think its part of the Bilateral agreement between the two countries.
AA can fly to Oz anytime they want, but would rather feed QF at LAX. The 772ER really does not have the capacity for the route (which fills 744s everyday, regardless of season) and given what QF goes to to protect the route (which provides over 1/3rd of their profits and revenue) AA would rather benefit from QF's service
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Monteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 31 Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4337 times:
N1120A, do you know anything about the Bilateral that is in place? I can't really find anything on it. I only heard that AA could not fly to Australia because of that. What you said does make sense economically however, and AA stand to benefit alot more by cooperating with QF.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4313 times:
Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 14): do you know anything about the Bilateral that is in place? I can't really find anything on it. I only heard that AA could not fly to Australia because of that.
AA has flown to SYD in the past. There is nothing stopping them from flying there again. It is just that QF will find some way to keep other carriers out of the market at all costs, and AA really does not stand to benefit from attacking the yields of one of their partners.
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Trolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4285 times:
AA used to fly to the pacific. It did so in the early 1970's and then again in the late 1980's and early 1990's. They served both AKL and SYD. Now they only serve this part of the world in codeshare with QF.
NZ and the USA have an open skies agreement in place, so any airline can serve the two countries. From a local marketing point of view, I hope CO starts flying again. An AKL-IAH service would be nice, and provide fast links to middle America and avoid the horrors of LAX. Also, CO is still remembered here in NZ as providing competition on the pacific routes.
RE UA, that only serves AKL in codeshare with NZ, while it still serves Australia in its own right. The competition on the pacific routes comes form the likes of Air Tahiti Nui, Hawaiian and Air Pacific. Both offer stopping services via their island hubs. The TN factor could be cause for concern to the big boys as it offers a quality product and it's shuffled its timetables to offer a connecting NYC-PPT-SYD and vv service that is no slower than going via LAX or SFO, but without the stressful transfer in these airports.
PITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4171 times:
Does anyone know how QF's new BNE-LAX nonstop service is doing?
Qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5745 posts, RR: 49 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
it's doing fine, if it wasn't it'd not be operating, there is good demand outof BNE and it saves passengers having to fly to Sydney then connect on to Bne.
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BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5289 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3902 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Thread starter): Hopefully VH-EBU Nalanji dreaming will visit, though it is currently the last aircraft getting the new interior and is still at AVV, not sure when it is due back in service
ZK-NBT, any info as to when Nalanji makes it back into svc.. would be a huge assist! Keep us LAx-ers posted!
Thanks,
BN747
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UAMAYBACH1239 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3898 times:
Erikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 373 posts, RR: 5
Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there, they are both Star members, why then AA doesn´t fly to SYD, they must have a agreement wth QF, wich makes more sense, or like they do in SCL with LAN.
Makes perfect sense when both carriers fill up with pax and or freight. It also makes STAR more appealing for customers.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11318 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3297 times:
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Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11): Makes no sense to have NZ and UA flying there,
NZ don't fly LAX-SYD non-stop now, so it does make sense for UA to fly the direct route. Some NZ flights now operate LAX-SYD via AKL
Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 5): how´s the competition to Australia/New Zealand from LAX???
Its good and could soon get even better.
LAX-SYD (direct)
QF and UA, hopefully also soon SQ and Bransons new Aussie based long-haul.
LAX-AKL (direct)
QF and NZ
LAX-CHC (direct)
NZ
LAX-AKL (with stops)
TN
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
Today Friday 15th is the first 743 flight to LAX.
Haven't got a rego yet. Flight left AKL at around 1830 local with 352POB.
Due into LAX at 1045, looks to be a little early at this stage, ETA 1030.
25 Paulcaz: They Use the 747-300s in tokyo saw a few last week!
26 Qantas077: they use the 747-300 to Tokyo everyday, have done for a long time now...
27 Qantas077: VH-EBT was the a/c that operated QF 25 today.
28 BN747: Looks like VH-EBT got the duty again today (April 17th). If the pattern holds.. it appears whatever Fridays' ship is... will also be the following Sun
29 N1120A: Except that UA offered the service for years. They were not filling the 744 so they downgauged to the 772ER. That would have been fine, except that t
30 NZ747: I know heaps of people who have done it, including me. It is popular for Americans, Canadians, and Europeans who are flying Air Pacific because they
31 Qantas077: no chance, she's at Avalon without engines and undergoing maintenence and refit, you'll be getting VH-EBT most of the time.
32 Onedude: Just letting you know that the BNE/LAX nonstops are doing very well - QF are adding a fourth service by July and a fifth service by November. When th
33 United Airline: Wonder if UA will restart LAX-MEL nonstop, LAX-AKL etc. Also wonder if NZ will restart LAX-SYD
34 6thfreedom: You could probably add HA's 4pw SYD-HNL then onto US services to that list also. I believe this is currently under review for MEL. Not sure about AKL
35 Gigneil: LAX-MEL is very hard for a regular 744 to do profitably. As has been discussed, UA dropped AKL and in return NZ dropped SYD. It helps both carriers w
36 NZ1: We have no plans to do so any time soon I can promise you that. NZ1
37 Aussie747: Well that is about time. So much Brisbane trans tasman business is going to NZ and EK . With only an 1125 am to AKL and a 6.40am on the return this i
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