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Boeing: We'll Outsell Airbus In 2005  
User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8792 times:
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Some tough talk from the new Head of Sales at Boeing after last years late re-shuffle of their Sales Team. Mr Scott Carson has come out with the following:

``We'll beat them this year,'' said Scott Carson, Chicago-
based Boeing's vice president of commercial aircraft sales, at a
press conference near Seattle yesterday. He didn't give a full-year
forecast for orders. ``The trick will be keeping momentum going
past the usual peaks,'' including the Paris air show in June, when
airlines typically place orders for aircraft.


Does this mean Boeing may change track and be saving a few order for Paris?

On Price

``Price competition is as intense as I can imagine right now
and it continues to intensify,'' Carson said. ``When we win an
order, Airbus comes back harder with price on the next
competition.'' Carson's sales strategy is based on earlier achievements made
in price-cutting and he's not worried about price cuts outpacing
gains made in productivity, he said.


Airbus response

``We've only just finished the first quarter, the year isn't
over yet,'' said Barbara Kracht, a spokeswoman for Airbus, in a
telephone interview.


Story is available via several news outlets but Bloomberg is the only one that botheres to ask Airbus for a comment so I'm using it as it gives boths sides the opportunity to speak.

Carson mentioned China and India as two key markets to drive growth and will be in China next week on Sales calls. We all know there are many RFPs which are yet to be closed but Boeing are definately looking to be more aggressive despite their recent success.

Here is a link to a briefer report on the interview, below:

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/n...900&w=RTR&coview=&TickerSymbols=BA

Regards


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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8769 times:

Well they have a flying start thanks to the 73NG's and to some extent the 78's. Looks like they'll really give it a go this year.

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Thread starter):
Carson mentioned China and India as two key markets to drive growth and will be in China next week on Sales calls.

Possibly trying to push the Chinese to order more 78's? Other carrier such as BR to maybe order the 772LRF? Boeing will definately be trying to push this plane to the Asian cargo carriers.

Any other thoughts?



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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3675 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8749 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Thread starter):
``We'll beat them this year,'' said Scott Carson

LOL. How childish !


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8721 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 2):
LOL. How childish !

Childish? Really, you think? It doesn't bother me for some reason. It seems like I see similar comments like this coming out of Airbus with some frequency, and were I a Boeing or Airbus stockholder, I'd like to see this kind of committment to success. And as a consumer, I definitely like seeing this from both companies: more competition means cheaper planes which mean cheaper prices for me.

But if Boeing does wind up winning this year, it was more or less inevitable. Boeing and Airbus are fairly evenly matched, and Airbus's victory in the order count the last few years seems to me to be a product of their somewhat fresher product line. Since Boeing is in the process of freshening their line, it seems logical that some years the balance will swing back to Boeing.

Both manufacturers are healthy. This is good news. And if they're both driven to beat each other, well, who am I to complain?  Wink



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8688 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 2):
LOL. How childish !

No harm in being bullish. After all, Boeing has shareholders to impress and the company isn't going to sell planes by saying "We aim to sell more planes this year."

[Edited 2005-04-05 14:44:22]


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8666 times:

Interesting that he called the A-350 a "non-factor" in Boeing missing it's sales forecast for the 787 (when referring to the 200 frame goal last year). I don't think Boeing sees this aircraft as a long term threat.


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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

Optimism is definetely good  Smile
Makes your employees for one feel good and helps boost overall company moral.

Good deal!

Bruno
BOS



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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 3):
And as a consumer, I definitely like seeing this from both companies: more competition means cheaper planes which mean cheaper prices for me.

After re-reading some of the replies, this one caught my eye...

Im not 100% convinced of two things:
1) The consumer
2) Cheaper prices

1a) If by consumer you mean airline, then thats good for them. If by consumer you mean airline passenger, Im not so sure that they care at all. Most dont know the difference between an Airbus 780 or a Boeing 319. Catch my drift?

1b) I dont believe that a cheaper plane to buy will translate in cheaper tickets. WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE though, is that cheaper operating costs of a plane would make a cheaper tickets.

Just some thoughts. Seeeeya folks.

Bruno
BOS



hit it and quit it
User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Oh no, more of this, "my ***** is bigger than your *****" nonsense. In any case, what do you expect Scott Carson to say, "...Airbus will clean our clocks again this year, but there is always next year". These guys are paid to talk that kind of meaningless nonsense. Both manufacturers are experts at it. Pay no attention to it.

GU



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 3):
were I a Boeing or Airbus stockholder, I'd like to see this kind of committment to success

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Shareholders are interested in profits, dividends and money - not in whether their company outsold another. You can buy market share by dropping prices but that doesn't generate profits - certainly not in the short-term.

But how interesting this whole testosterone-charged face-off has become. Not long ago (certainly within the past decade) Boeing dismissed the likelihood of Airbus ever catching (far less surpassing) them. "We're No.1 and it's not a position we intend to give up," was the public line. Then it happened. The Boeing line then was "So what? We're not chasing market share. We're in this business to make profits, not worry about volume." Now things seem to have changed again.

Selling more than your rival and bragging about market share is not all there is too it. There was a calendar year about a decade ago when BAe (as it was) sold 50 Avro RJs. It seemed cause for considerable celebration. But they weren't making money. A later and wiser policy limited themselves to a maximum annual production rate of 24. Ramping up and ramping down production rates as they chased (and sometimes won) orders was killing them. "Turning out a couple of dozen planes a year - steadily - will make us a nice little profit," they said. "We'll settle for that rather than do whatever we have to do to sell ever more aircraft." And so while Fokker outsold them and then went bust, BAe kept pootling along with an unexciting but - for a while - profitable production line.

If and when the management of either Airbus or Boeing make the "beating" of their rival their main priority, they'll be in trouble. Both make fine planes and both know how to market and sell them. But I hope they remember that this is a business, not an ice-hockey match.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

While I think Boeing ought to let the order book speak for itself, I think the public remarks of Boeing execs (including Carson) are a portrait of refinement compared in light of the arrogant swagger displayed by John Leahy and his colleagues.

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Shareholders are interested in profits, dividends and money - not in whether their company outsold another. You can buy market share by dropping prices but that doesn't generate profits - certainly not in the short-term.

Naturally. I should have been more precise. It's like the old joke, how are you going to make money from selling at a loss? (A: Volume!) That would be foolish, and the people who run Boeing and Airbus definitely know better. But I like to see a healthy competitive spirit. I think, in general and properly directed, it's a good thing for a company and its employees to possess.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 12):
the people who run Boeing and Airbus definitely know better

Alas, I'd like to agree with you but I'm not sure that is always true!


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8384 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
Alas, I'd like to agree with you but I'm not sure that is always true!

Good point. In any case, let's hope so. Instead of sticking my foot any deeper into my mouth, let me just say that I look forward to many years of vigorous competition among airliner manufacturers. How's that?  Wink



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8357 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 14):
let me just say that I look forward to many years of vigorous competition among airliner manufacturers. How's that?

I'll drink to that! Cheers! bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8251 times:

Idle speculation...

Purely a guess without knowing which airline is in the market for what aircraft in what numbers and whether A or B will secure orders from them, I guess that Boeing will secure more orders than Airbus this year.

As an aside, if Boeing does launch the 747ADV, it needs some launch customers committed to a reasonable number of aircraft. If in addition Airbus takes the A350 back to the drawing board, we could end up with a big disparity in A and B orders.

A 55/45 split or even nearer 60/40 in Boeing's favour in 2005?


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

That is pretty balsy statement from Boeing and certainly a challenge to Airbus..


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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

Quoting Art (Reply 16):
A 55/45 split or even nearer 60/40 in Boeing's favour in 2005?

Could be; they're off to a good start. But more complications: does Carson mean that Boeing will sell more airframes or generate greater revenue or make greater profits or what? It's the 737 that has given them a flying start to 2005 but that's their smallest and cheapest (everything's relative! cheeky  ) model. They could "outsell" Airbus in 2005 in units while Airbus made more $$$ selling a hundred A380s. (Note: this is not a prediction; merely a theoretical argument... wave  )

An interesting measure that Flight International (for one) has started using is each company's % of the existing backlog. Airbus has built up a healthy lead here that could take Boeing a couple of years to claw back. I think the idea is that the two companies are likely to swap back and forwards the notional No.1 slot in sales each year but that a more meaningful comparison is how many planes each one has waiting to be built.


User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8151 times:

Perhaps such a prediction will come true.

However, it seems to me that the most important remarks in the article appeared to have been overlooked.

BA has:
1. Learned to move faster in making key decisions for its customers.
2. Made all the necessary moves to improve the performance of its sales team.
3. Paid more attention to some customers it had neglected in the past.

I recall having a generated a thread as to the reasons behind BA's dramatic change in fortune as regards new orders during the current year. In it some of the reasons behind BA's success story in 2005 have actually been mentioned by Scott Carson. This highlights the wealth of knowledge available amongst the participants of the A-Net forum. This despite the fact that the A v B syndrome does creeps in from time to time.



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User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

I have feeling that Airbus has something up there sleeve. That may be the reason you haven 't heard anything from Leahy and the team.

I wouldn't be too suprised if you see quiet a few orders for A @ the Paris show.

I forsee a 50-50 split this year......



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5668 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 18):
Could be; they're off to a good start. But more complications: does Carson mean that Boeing will sell more airframes or generate greater revenue or make greater profits or what? It's the 737 that has given them a flying start to 2005 but that's their smallest and cheapest (everything's relative! ) model. They could "outsell" Airbus in 2005 in units while Airbus made more $$$ selling a hundred A380s. (Note: this is not a prediction; merely a theoretical argument... )

I think Carson is saying that they can beat Airbus in orders taken in 2005 but they won't beat them in aircraft deliveries this year (and probably next year). In terms of profitability, sure if there is an order for 100 A380 that will be profitable for Airbus but only when the Aircraft is delivered, the airlines don't fully pay for the aircraft until delivery.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8106 times:

Boeing just posted this on their website, it has 54 737NGs delivered in just the first quarter. . .here is a link: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050405a.html


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8018 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
I think Carson is saying that they can beat Airbus in orders taken in 2005 but they won't beat them in aircraft deliveries this year (and probably next year).

Agree. It won't happen this year and the gap will be even less in 2006. Perhaps 2007.....?

Regards



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 1):
Other carrier such as BR to maybe order the 772LRF?

Actually scratch that... BR don't seem to know what they are doing with the 777. All they know is that they will still take their 773ER's.

The source I talk to at BR says that they'll take the orders they have, but probably just for 773ER's. Little to no interest in the LRF anymore or so they say.

Enough to make my head spin.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12416 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7112 times:
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Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 6):
Optimism is definetely good

Its required in a salesman! Now find me one that doesn't drink!

Quoting N844AA (Reply 13):
let me just say that I look forward to many years of vigorous competition among airliner manufacturers. How's that?

Here here. Compitition only improves the breed. I'd love to see a 747adv, 774, 737NNG, 389, and other "game changing" aircraft.

Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
25 Bjg231 : I won't bother criticizing this comment b/c I'm SURE that you responded the same way to Leahy's usual nonsense.
26 PlaneSmart : Both A & B will have a good 2005. Damned lies and statistics. New unit & $ sales, for delivery in 2005? Not sure who will win that race. Aircraft unit
27 Chgoflyer : Once Boeing delclares their country of orgin on all their parts/suppliers the U.S. goverment is going to begin a hand out to them to compete with the
28 Crj 900 : Rumour has it, and I have heard this from head office (Air Canada), the big widebody order will go to Boeing, so maybe the CEO of Boeing is dropping h
29 Post contains images Co7772wuh : If Boeing doesn't get more orders this year , it's gonna be just like the Yankees / Red Sox all over again . They had a big lead , then blew it !!!
30 Post contains images DfwRevolution : It's hardly been more than 45/55 in the last few years Nostradamus ... not really a stunning prediction. You and the entire aviation press... Airbus
31 Theredbaron : If the words "what if" , "Its rumored", "analists Predict" would be banned from A net.... [rant] HALF THE DARN POSTS WOULD BE GONE....wait till Dec 31
32 Post contains images PM : ...it would become a much more boring place and I'd ask for my $25 back. Of course it's all just speculation, rumour and guesswork. That's the fun of
33 Monteycarlos : Lol. Why would AC head office tell you what planes they are buying? If its so secretive, they're not going to tell you, which probably indicates that
34 Sebolino : Yes I do. A big company manager can say "We will do better than our competitor" or "We will regain our rank of number 1". But with "we'll beat them"
35 Post contains images Sebolino : You're problem is that you think in term of baseball team. I don't give a shit about Leahy, I don't know what he ever said, and I don't care at all.
36 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : If that is the case. Why, as you so eloquently put it, would you "give a sh*t" about what either one says then? Unless you're naturally biased toward
37 Sebolino : Because I care about the competition against Boeing and Airbus. I think that's something "important" (economically) as each manufacturer seems to bec
38 PANAM_DC10 : I don't think it is just one thing that Leahy has said in particular. More like his actual approach and a series of statements overall. In fact, go b
39 Zvezda : I'm afraid there is no chance you'll see both the B747Adv and a B777-400. It will be either or neither -- definitely not both.
40 Post contains images Glideslope : As I first posted in 04/11. 2005 is going to be a Good Year for Boeing.
41 Post contains images Solnabo : This is just a moral boost for Boeing! -Dont dispare...we kick Airbus this year!! 2 years in a row for B and not the top a/c deliverer...ouuch, that m
42 HAWK21M : The Fightback Begins. Outhere the Demand for A320s & B737NGs are increasing as more LCC are opting for these Aircraft. regds MEL
43 777ER : Its very obvious already that Boeing will win in orders already.
44 PANAM_DC10 : 773ER, I'm not so sure it's a given. Airbus has some "carry over" orders from 2004 that they had not "closed" in 2004 and which will appear on the bo
45 Sebolino : * I wouldn't be surprised to see Airbus making the same type of comments ... Where did I say that it was exclusive to Boeing ?
46 PANAM_DC10 : You didn't, however, I may have made my point clearer. If you read my full post I was answering your question. Which was as follows: You didn't know
47 N79969 : Sebolino, Give it a rest. You have posted far too many posts critical of Boeing or the U.S. or both to now smarmily feign neutrality. You called Carso
48 Post contains images Sebolino : Thank you for clarifying my point of view. I should always ask you what I really think ... I like the part "critical of Boeing or the US", which impl
49 N79969 : Unlike PanAMDC10 I will not give you the benefit of the doubt. Your pretense of innocence is as bogus as it is unconvincing to anyone that has read m
50 ContnlEliteCMH : No, it's called "competition." It's the lifeblood of our economy, and I for one have no problems with an overt goal to win. Winning usually mean prof
51 Greaser : Well maybe Boeing should get some real good comeback to "Chinese copy"?? Is that normal business communication?
52 Post contains links YUL332LX : Boeing's deliveries slip in first quarter Boeing delivered a total of 70 commercial aircraft in the first quarter ended March 31, consisting of three
53 Lemurs : I think you underestimate the power and audience for brash statements like this. In some cultures, it would be uncouth. In the US, it's a signal to i
54 AirFrnt : The point is that this is standard business language. More to the point it sets expectations. One of the things that the article stated that I found i
55 Keesje : Has anyone heard Boeing repeat they won't sell aircraft at a loss lately?
56 Post contains links PANAM_DC10 : Perhaps this site might provide your answer.... http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews...tofacescan01.html?partner=netscape Regards
57 CRJ 900 : Hey Monteycarlos, I work for AC, I have friends who work in head office in YUL. They are telling me from inside what the direction is. Do you want me
58 DfwRevolution : Why would they have to? The more expensive 777 line has proven it will sell even at higher list prices, the 787 already list for lower than the A350,
59 Monteycarlos : I get it. It's not some quantum physics problem. And really, if AC news was that important more people would probably have paid attention to what you
60 Milan320 : Didn't Woodward say that a while back - "We'll bury Airbus". Who got buried - Woodward did. I agree. It seems Boeing loves to bash Airbus whenever th
61 Post contains images QFA001 : "I think [the B787 is] quite similar to the threat posed by Sonic Cruiser. It is more a PR threat. It is more a marketing tool than an engineering re
62 707lvr : Maybe he was trying to provoke Airbus into some silly reply, or Maybe he was trying to get them to tip their hand on how many orders they're sitting o
63 Sebolino : QFA001, I don't understand your "Ooops". What do you mean exactly ? Once again, I didn't make any sort of comparison, I was expressing an opinion abou
64 Post contains images Zvezda : ROTFLMAO!! See Reply #61. The A320 and B737NG are evenly matched. Each offers operational efficiencies very close to those of the other. Sales in the
65 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : Given recent posts, I'll now thank you N79969 for your comments. Same for QFA001 too for providing perfect examples of what I was trying to clarify t
66 Art : It's a shame the US legacy carriers have failed to grasp this.
67 Post contains links Keesje : Boeing was outsold by Airbus in Q1 of 2005. - Airbus delivered 87 & signed contracts for 123 planes - Boeing delivered 70 & signed contracts for 44 p
68 Post contains images DfwRevolution : They also have 100+ 787 MoU on the books that are not a component of that comparison. Look the other way if you want, but Boeing tried that in the 90
69 WhiteHatter : Not always. Boeing has indeed sold at a loss in the past when you consider that their aftermarket division has provided more profit than the entire c
70 Brons2 : He meant, that after all that time villifying the 787 and saying Airbus did not need to respond, they ended up launching a new plane after all, the A
71 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : I agree Keesje indisputable fact, it's round one to Airbus Add FR, JL & SALE for another 120 73Gs to be signed and that'll change the statistics a li
72 Zvezda : I really don't care whether Airbus or Boeing sell more planes. I do care that both of them sell many planes, because a new Airbus is generally better
73 PANAM_DC10 : Nor do I Couldn't agree more Zvezda, that was the intent of my statement that you quoted. Regards PanAm DC10
74 Scbriml : First quarter gross sales totals: Airbus A32x - 101 A33x - 12 A346 - 10 Total = 123 Boeing 737 - 49 777 - 6 787 - 8 Total = 63 Boeing's site also show
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