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Point-to-point Commuter/express Routes?  
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

I know AAEagle flies ORD-TVC-MQT, and AAConnection flies STL-BNA-ATL. AA sells tickets on the TVC-MQT route and the BNA-ATL route, but I'm not sure how many.

I was wondering what other express/commuter airlines (DL Connection, UA Express, etc) fly these point-to-point routes, and if they are vestiges from the older point-to-point, pre-deregulation days, or are they real money-makers?


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

The US Airways Express carriers operate *lots* of point-to-point flying.

Air Midwest operates some point-to-point routes in the Carolinas and in Kansas, with Beech 1900 aircraft. Air Midwest's Kansas service is primarily EAS-subsidized, though they used to operate a much larger network out of MCI. Air Midwest recently discontinued its point-to-point flying in Florida.

Colgan operates some point-to-point at Washington/Dulles, and lots of point-to-point in New York and New England, also with the Beech 1900. Colgan's IAD service is primarily EAS-subsidized.

Trans States operates some point-to-point out of Baltimore with the Jetstream 41.

Most other US Airways Express service, including regional jet service and service operated by Piedmont, is based at CLT, PHL, PIT, DCA, LGA, BOS, FLL.

Until a few years ago, US had a much larger amount of point-to-point service, including Piedmont in the Carolinas and Florida, CCAir in the Carolinas, Chautauqua at Indianapolis and the midwest, and Trans States in the mid-Atlantic and California.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3942 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
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COEX has:
MEX-LRD/MFE/SAT
LAX-MTJ/AGU/MLM/BJX
DFW-GUC



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

What is this bird flying:


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I never knew of US to have a D/FW presence of note. My guess is

El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2510 08:30 AM Arrived
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2622 08:57 AM Arrived
Harrison, AR Air Midwest 2624 01:14 PM Arrived
El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2516 05:30 PM Planned
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2628 05:42 PM Planned

Anyone know?



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

What is this bird flying:
I never knew of US to have a D/FW presence of note. My guess is

El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2510 08:30 AM Arrived
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2622 08:57 AM Arrived
Harrison, AR Air Midwest 2624 01:14 PM Arrived
El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2516 05:30 PM Planned
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2628 05:42 PM Planned

Anyone know?


Air Midwest operates some EAS flights out of various airports, including DFW, that are operated as Mesa Airlines, and not under their franchise agreement with US Airways. In many instances, however, you will get Air Midwest Beech 1900 aircraft in the US Airways Express livery operating Mesa Airlines routes, and vice versa, due to maintenance subsitutions and the like.

Here's a US livery at a YV city, and a YV livery at a US city:


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Personally, my favorites are the ones that look something like this:  Smile


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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
and a YV livery at a US city:

It think YV has some of its own flights in MCI know, as while as US flights, because they now have their own ticket counter. It has been put up within the past year.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

It think YV has some of its own flights in MCI know, as while as US flights, because they now have their own ticket counter. It has been put up within the past year.

Yes, Air Midwest does now operate a single daily MCI-OMA flight as Mesa Airlines for repositioning purposes.

But they didn't when that picture was taken.  Wink



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
But they didn't when that picture was taken

Ah, my bad. I thought it said Feb. 2005, instead of '04.
 banghead 

-SOAC



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
Air Midwest operates some EAS flights out of various airports, including DFW, that are operated as Mesa Airlines, and not under their franchise agreement with US Airways. In many instances, however, you will get Air Midwest Beech 1900 aircraft in the US Airways Express livery operating Mesa Airlines routes, and vice versa, due to maintenance subsitutions and the like.

Hey, great. This makes perfect sense, and now that I think of it, good old Atlantic Coast Airlines used to pull this trick on us while operating as DL Connection. Thank you for the explanation A330323X  yes 



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
What is this bird flying:
I never knew of US to have a D/FW presence of note. My guess is

El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2510 08:30 AM Arrived
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2622 08:57 AM Arrived
Harrison, AR Air Midwest 2624 01:14 PM Arrived
El Dorado, AR Air Midwest 2516 05:30 PM Planned
Hot Springs, AR Air Midwest 2628 05:42 PM Planned

Anyone know?

The routings on the Arkansas flights:

DFW-El Dorado-Jonesboro-El Dorado-DFW

DFW-Hot Springs-Harrison-Hot Springs-DFW

Also... DFW-Brownwood-DFW
and DFW-Ponca City, OK-DFW

I'm fairly sure this is the routing on the flights.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 9):
I'm fairly sure this is the routing on the flights.

Yeah, but they're not being operated as US Airways Express/Connection flights are they?



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
Yeah, but they're not being operated as US Airways Express/Connection flights are they?

No, just as Mesa Airlines.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1286 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
Yeah, but they're not being operated as US Airways Express/Connection flights are they?

I believe they are marked as Mesa Airlines flights


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

OK, thanks. For years, I saw that and wondered, what in the heck was US doing - well, it makes a lot more sense as being a Mesa straight-up flight. I always thought they were unique in having codeshare agreements and independent ops.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

American Eagle, US Airways Express, Delta Connection, and Cotinental Connection (Cape Air, Commutair, and Gulfstream; but not Colgan) have pretty extensive point-to-point regional routes. Northwest Airlink, Continental Express, and United Express have far fewer.

Here's a look at Delta Connection's regional operations out of Florida cities:

Fort Lauderdale to Birmingham, Charleston, Columbus, Dayton, Greensboro, Lexington, Louisville, Nashville, Nassau, Norfolk, Pensacola, Orlando, Raleigh, Richmond, and Tallahassee.

Orlando to Asheville, Birmingham, Charleston, Columbia, Columbus, Dayton, Fort Myers*, Greensboro, Gulfport/Biloxi, Huntsville, Knoxville, Lexington, Little Rock, Louisville, Mobile, Nashville, Nassau, New Orleans, Norfolk, Panama City, Pensacola, Raleigh, Richmond, Savannah*, Tallahassee, and Tri Cities.

Tallahasse to Fort Lauderdale, Miami, New York City, Orlando, Tampa and West Palm Beach.

Tampa to Birmingham, Charleston, Columbia, Columbus, Dayton, Greensboro, Huntsville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, Mobile, Nassau, Pensacola, Raleigh, and Tallahasse

*Service ends in May on MCO-SAV and MCO-RSW.



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

I always thought they were unique in having codeshare agreements and independent ops.

As for why Air Midwest doesn't just operate everything as US Airways Express:

Air Midwest has to pay US a fee to use its livery, have US handle its reservations, and so forth. I'm not sure of their contract, but it's probably similar to Colgan's, who I believe pays about $6/pax plus 12% of revenue. In return, Colgan and Air Midwest have access to the US Airways Express brand, better marketing, connections, etc. However, with most of Air Midwest's far-flung EAS routes, they're getting subsidized by the government, so they really don't care a whole lot about who, if anyone, flies them. They'd rather save on the franchise fees than try to attract a few more incremental passengers.

Cape Air operates both as Cape Air and as Continental Connection, but I believe their situation is a bit different. Offhand, I can't think of any other regionals that operate both as a feeder and as a stand-alone. (Great Lakes and Big Sky operate all their flights under their own name, though they do codeshare with other carriers.)



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Here is the non-hub/non-focus city point-to-point flights out of RDU:

US Airways: Asheville, Greenville/Spartanburg, Charleston, Norfolk

American: Providence*, Columbus*, Austin, Philadelphia*, Orlando, Hartford, Pensacola (to be added soon), London-Gatwick

Delta: New Orleans

AirTran: none
America West: none
Continental: none
Northwest: none
Southwest: None
United: none
Air Canada: none
Independence Air: none

*all service to be ending in next 1-3 months..



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