FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2238 posts, RR: 3 Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 16288 times:
Been a while since I picked through the BA schedules, so here's a summary of changes for the Summer: -
* Highlight of the longhaul schedule must be the planned launch of flights to Shanghai in June. Flights are due to start on Wednesday 1st June with a four class 777, operating five days a week (No service on Tuesday or Thursday).
* Beijing increases to a six times weekly frequency from June with the three class 777, only not operating on a Tuesday. The service is set to return to four times weekly for the Winter.
* Hong Kong goes three times daily from Wednesday 1st June too, all flights operating with the 747-436. Until then there will be a twice daily service with a third flight on Monday, Thursday and Saturday. This will remain an all year round frequency.
* Another destination that goes three times daily, again from 1st June, is Los Angeles. Like HKG it has a twice daily service until then with a third flight on Mon, Wed and Sat. Again, all flights are with the 747-436. Seems that for the Winter the schedule will revert to twice daily.
* MEX sees an additional flight for the summer with a 747-436, making four flights per week.
* At LGW the IAH nonstop service increases to 13 flights per week, Tuesday been the only day to have a single flight. The one-stop flight from LHR via ORD continues to operate too.
* Also at LGW Bermuda sees a five times weekly service, dropping back to four times weekly for the Winter. Not too long since this was only a three times weekly flight.
* CCS and BOG left the network in February, with RUH and JED leaving at the start of the Summer timetable change.
* MAA is set to go from twice weekly to six times weekly for the Winter season, while BLR will be a new destination with a thrice weekly service. No schedules are loaded as yet.
* New services launched at the start of April from LGW were Salonika four times weekly; Split three times weekly; and Vilnius five times weekly.
* From May there will be a three times weekly red-eye flight from LGW to Bucharest; and from June a three times weekly red-eye flight from LGW to Sofia. This is a new departure for BA on shorthaul, so be interesting to see how it pans out - could see new LGW routes as a result if successful.
* BA CitiExpress has added daily flights from Bristol to Milan Malpensa, and six times weekly to Zurich, both with the ERJ-145.
* Franchise carrier GB Airways will add service from LGW to Heraklion (Crete) in May, while at its new base at MAN the carrier has launched flights to Malaga, and from May will add Dubrovnik, Malta, Paphos and Tenerife South. GB Airways aims to add an aircraft a year to MAN, so some expansion ahead at Ringway over the coming years.
* BA CitiExpress has dropped routes to Copenhagen and Bologna from MAN, while frequencies on some other routes, e.g. MAN-OSL, MAN-HAJ, SOU-GLA and SOU-EDI have been cut.
* The 767 dusking programme finally got under way earlier this year, removing the First cabin and installing Club World Flat beds and World Traveller Plus, as well as PTVs in World Traveller. Revised seating is 24J 24W and 141M.
* G-BNWO and G-BNWT already completed, with G-BNWS, G-BNWV, G-BNWR, G-BNWM, G-BNWU, G-BNWI, G-BNWN and G-BNWH to follow in that order.
* Provisional plans for shorthaul aircraft G-BNWD, G-BNWY, G-BNWW and G-BNWC to also be upgraded to longhaul configuration (In that order), suggesting some longhaul expansion in the pipeline for next Summer, as all 767 upgrade work is scheduled to be completed by April '06.
* As already reported elsewhere on A-Net, BA will use an A319 on a W pattern from MAN during the week to LGW, operating the first flight to LGW and the last back to MAN in the evening. During the day it will also serve EDI and ABZ from LGW. No sign of any plans to transfer any A319s to LGW for the Winter at present.
* BA CitiExpress will see its fleet shrink this summer. The planned withdrawal of the Dash 8 fleet by the end of March has not now happened.
* Dash 8 G-BRYJ left the fleet in March, and G-BRYJ will leave by the end of this month. This will leave 8 Dash 8-311Bs in service.
* BAe 146-200 G-MIMA is to leave the fleet in May. The remaining four BAe 146s (1 x -100, 2 x -200s and 1 x -300) are due to leave by '06.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2238 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16062 times:
Forget to mention that the services to Paris Charles de Gaulle and Genoa from LGW both ended with the start of the new timetable, following on from Frankfurt's dropping last Autumn. At Manchester the route to Amsterdam has finished too.
Morvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12952 times:
Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 2): Forget to mention that the services to Paris Charles de Gaulle and Genoa from LGW both ended with the start of the new timetable, following on from Frankfurt's dropping last Autumn. At Manchester the route to Amsterdam has finished too.
Looks to me they lost the battle with LCC in europe on these routes.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12430 times:
BA are really being crushed out of MAN recently.
I'm not surprised CPH/AMS has gone. There are better overall options and BD/Star/LH/SK codeshares, as well as KL and AF taking plenty of longhaul traffic away with their frequent services to AMS and CDG hubs.
BA only want MAN as a feeder airport to LHR and a GB Airways operation for the Costas. The non-UK carriers, BD and lowcosts are the only ones prepared to put their money where their mouths are and are the operators who are fuelling growth at MAN.
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12373 times:
Can someone tell me why BA dumped LHR-ZAG a couple of years back, only to now service DBV and SPU from LGW? I mean, I know the latter two are leisure/coastal destinations. But if I cross the pond on my favourite airline, I have to schlep from LHR to LGW for the connecting flight to Croatia. And why doesn't BA run a shuttle between these airports for First and Club passengers?
Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2238 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12064 times:
AIR MALTA, I don't know anything on the suggestion of a second destination from LGW to Algeria, but if true can only think Algiers is performing well. More of a business route, like Tripoli, yet still operates from LGW. Any particular reason? Secondary destinations in Eastern Europe could be a possability as BA seems to be looking for new markets in Eastern Europe. Still a strong network to Italy from LGW, complemented by GT's flights to Spain.
Also, thanks for mentioning the BA CitiExpress increases on LCY-EDI and BA mainline on LHR-LCA. BMED also increased frequencies as you mentioned, while the former four times weekly LHR-Alexandria (Borg el Arab)-Khartoum flight is replaced by thrice weekly LHR-Beirut-Alexandria (Borg el Arab) and thrice weekly LHR-Beirut-Khartoum.
It's good to see GT moving North to take on the Charter carriers with their scheduled ops (ZB/DP) as well as the low-costs. Hopefully GT can prove there is the demand up North for a full service carrier serving the Med destinations - and not on an RJ either! While mentioning GT they relaunched a daily LHR-GIB service, with LGW-GIB flights reducing from twice daily to 10 times weekly.
Finally, happy to share this info gleaned from various News Releases, timetable searches, etc. I know many on here criticise BA for slashing longhaul routes (CCS, BOG, JED, RUH) and some shorthaul ones too (MAN-AMS, LGW-CDG) but the carrier under Rod Eddington has shown it is willing to the master of its own destiny, maintaining a decent level of service compared to its competitors. I hope Willie Walsh appreciates that for many it is the fact BA remains a cut above the rest that is one of its assets and we don't see cutbacks. I also hope we continue to see a willingness to develop and expand LGW as a leisure airport for O&D traffic - even if it means you have to make your way from LHR to LGW Stretch 8 to connect with flights! Let LHR take the business traffic while LGW can cater for the independent traveller wanting a little bit extra to start and end their holiday.
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11950 times:
TASHKENT - British Airways has announced its summer schedule (which started March 27) to Tashkent, capital of Uzbekistan. The airline will operate Tashkent to London services on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Return flights from London to Tashkent will fly on Fridays, Sundays and Wednesdays. The services is operated by British Airway's independent franchise partner BMED.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7735 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11873 times:
Moot point about MAN-OSL being a "reduction". Yes, frequency dropped but there is more capacity on the route now by my reckoning (6 RJ100s + 1 ERJ145 verseus 12 ERJ145s).
As for GT, the plan was for May start-up but "demand" brought forward the AGP service to mid-March; we know that DBV will be replaced by FNC this winter but I hope that they publicise new services rather than let BA state they are being dropped! after the alleged launch of them.
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11275 times:
Quoting David_itl (Reply 19): but I hope that they publicise new services rather than let BA state they are being dropped! after the alleged launch of them.
Do you see a route to Tunis, from Manchester? And how is Tunis considered? A leisure route? I am quite surprised TUN was not transferred to LHR like CMN.
TUN lacks longhaul operations and BA could gain from connecting traffic to Montreal and New York as well as Johannesburg and Asia and also to the UK. The actual flight times of the TUN operation does not allow any connection to the UK. All of the English I know that travel to Aberdeen and New Castle choose Air France over BA because it is more convenient.
Egnm-lba From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11146 times:
Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14): BA only want MAN as a feeder airport to LHR and a GB Airways operation for the Costas. The non-UK carriers, BD and lowcosts are the only ones prepared to put their money where their mouths are and are the operators who are fuelling growth at MAN.
Why is the internet full of people who think BA have some sort of obligation to operate services out of MAN. The only obligation BA have is to their shareholders to deliver an appropriate return on their investment. Full stop.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11114 times:
Quoting Egnm-lba (Reply 21): Why is the internet full of people who think BA have some sort of obligation to operate services out of MAN. The only obligation BA have is to their shareholders to deliver an appropriate return on their investment. Full stop.
So it has gone totally over your head.
Other carriers are making truckloads of money out of the MAN expansion. BA aren't interested. BA shareholders should be asking why BA isn't part of the MAN growth but instead is pulling more and more services out of the airport as competitors eat their lunch.
Heathrow is a difficult place to expand. Gatwick has its problems too. Manchester is growing, and where is BA? Where is BA's return on their T3 investment? Why are they not pursuing a clear revenue stream that others are tapping? Why is their MAN strategy flawed?