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British Airways Schedule Updates - Plus Fleet News  
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15417 times:

Been a while since I picked through the BA schedules, so here's a summary of changes for the Summer: -

Longhaul

* Highlight of the longhaul schedule must be the planned launch of flights to Shanghai in June. Flights are due to start on Wednesday 1st June with a four class 777, operating five days a week (No service on Tuesday or Thursday).

* Beijing increases to a six times weekly frequency from June with the three class 777, only not operating on a Tuesday. The service is set to return to four times weekly for the Winter.

* Hong Kong goes three times daily from Wednesday 1st June too, all flights operating with the 747-436. Until then there will be a twice daily service with a third flight on Monday, Thursday and Saturday. This will remain an all year round frequency.

* Another destination that goes three times daily, again from 1st June, is Los Angeles. Like HKG it has a twice daily service until then with a third flight on Mon, Wed and Sat. Again, all flights are with the 747-436. Seems that for the Winter the schedule will revert to twice daily.

* MEX sees an additional flight for the summer with a 747-436, making four flights per week.

* At LGW the IAH nonstop service increases to 13 flights per week, Tuesday been the only day to have a single flight. The one-stop flight from LHR via ORD continues to operate too.

* Also at LGW Bermuda sees a five times weekly service, dropping back to four times weekly for the Winter. Not too long since this was only a three times weekly flight.

* CCS and BOG left the network in February, with RUH and JED leaving at the start of the Summer timetable change.

* MAA is set to go from twice weekly to six times weekly for the Winter season, while BLR will be a new destination with a thrice weekly service. No schedules are loaded as yet.


Shorthaul

* New services launched at the start of April from LGW were Salonika four times weekly; Split three times weekly; and Vilnius five times weekly.

* From May there will be a three times weekly red-eye flight from LGW to Bucharest; and from June a three times weekly red-eye flight from LGW to Sofia. This is a new departure for BA on shorthaul, so be interesting to see how it pans out - could see new LGW routes as a result if successful.

* BA CitiExpress has added daily flights from Bristol to Milan Malpensa, and six times weekly to Zurich, both with the ERJ-145.

* Franchise carrier GB Airways will add service from LGW to Heraklion (Crete) in May, while at its new base at MAN the carrier has launched flights to Malaga, and from May will add Dubrovnik, Malta, Paphos and Tenerife South. GB Airways aims to add an aircraft a year to MAN, so some expansion ahead at Ringway over the coming years.

* BA CitiExpress has dropped routes to Copenhagen and Bologna from MAN, while frequencies on some other routes, e.g. MAN-OSL, MAN-HAJ, SOU-GLA and SOU-EDI have been cut.


Fleet developments

* The 767 dusking programme finally got under way earlier this year, removing the First cabin and installing Club World Flat beds and World Traveller Plus, as well as PTVs in World Traveller. Revised seating is 24J 24W and 141M.

* G-BNWO and G-BNWT already completed, with G-BNWS, G-BNWV, G-BNWR, G-BNWM, G-BNWU, G-BNWI, G-BNWN and G-BNWH to follow in that order.

* Provisional plans for shorthaul aircraft G-BNWD, G-BNWY, G-BNWW and G-BNWC to also be upgraded to longhaul configuration (In that order), suggesting some longhaul expansion in the pipeline for next Summer, as all 767 upgrade work is scheduled to be completed by April '06.

* As already reported elsewhere on A-Net, BA will use an A319 on a W pattern from MAN during the week to LGW, operating the first flight to LGW and the last back to MAN in the evening. During the day it will also serve EDI and ABZ from LGW. No sign of any plans to transfer any A319s to LGW for the Winter at present.

* BA CitiExpress will see its fleet shrink this summer. The planned withdrawal of the Dash 8 fleet by the end of March has not now happened.

* Dash 8 G-BRYJ left the fleet in March, and G-BRYJ will leave by the end of this month. This will leave 8 Dash 8-311Bs in service.

* BAe 146-200 G-MIMA is to leave the fleet in May. The remaining four BAe 146s (1 x -100, 2 x -200s and 1 x -300) are due to leave by '06.

[Edited 2005-04-06 00:31:13]


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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15252 times:

Interesting. Thanks for the info.


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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15191 times:

Forget to mention that the services to Paris Charles de Gaulle and Genoa from LGW both ended with the start of the new timetable, following on from Frankfurt's dropping last Autumn. At Manchester the route to Amsterdam has finished too.


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User currently offlineWhiskeyHotel From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15094 times:

Huzzah for the LGW-HER flight. FirstChoice is all well and good, but it's nice to know I can grab some ExecutiveClub miles when going to Crete.

User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14899 times:

What's the difference between 4 class planes (F, C, W+, W) and 3 class planes going longhaul?

User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 871 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14763 times:

A 3-class service means no First, simply Club, WT+ and WT. All longhaul 767s are configured in this manner as are some of the T7s.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14749 times:

*Edinburgh is getting 5 daily flights to London City instead of the 3 previously operated.

*More flights to Larnaca which goes to 12 weekly from LHR.

*Tehran goes to Daily for the Summer as for the Winter.

*Yerevan goes to 6 weekly flights from 3 previously.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14643 times:

Does someone know , why G-BNWA is stored at Nimes , since Jan09th ?

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14489 times:

I heard somewhere that BA is going to add Hassi Massaoud in Algeria and some second cities in Romania. Does anybody has more on this issue?


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12331 times:

Hey,

Cheers for the fatastic info biggrin 

Sad to see CDG dropped from LGW, I noticed this whilst browsing for flights a couple of weeks back.

Good to hear that not many A319's are coming in the Winter then, I do still enjoy those 737's!

Also, great news to hear the Longhaul out of LGW increase,

Cheers

Sam Smile



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User currently offlineGg190 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

Will be sad to see G-MIMA go.  crying 

User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12081 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 2):
Forget to mention that the services to Paris Charles de Gaulle and Genoa from LGW both ended with the start of the new timetable, following on from Frankfurt's dropping last Autumn. At Manchester the route to Amsterdam has finished too.

Looks to me they lost the battle with LCC in europe on these routes.

Thanks for the other BA information to.



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User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12054 times:

Thanks a lot for this info - really interesting!!

User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11619 times:

Thanks for the info.

Any idea if BA will start London - Tallinn anytime in the nearer future (a year or so)?


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11559 times:

BA are really being crushed out of MAN recently.

I'm not surprised CPH/AMS has gone. There are better overall options and BD/Star/LH/SK codeshares, as well as KL and AF taking plenty of longhaul traffic away with their frequent services to AMS and CDG hubs.

BA only want MAN as a feeder airport to LHR and a GB Airways operation for the Costas. The non-UK carriers, BD and lowcosts are the only ones prepared to put their money where their mouths are and are the operators who are fuelling growth at MAN.


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11502 times:

Can someone tell me why BA dumped LHR-ZAG a couple of years back, only to now service DBV and SPU from LGW? I mean, I know the latter two are leisure/coastal destinations. But if I cross the pond on my favourite airline, I have to schlep from LHR to LGW for the connecting flight to Croatia. And why doesn't BA run a shuttle between these airports for First and Club passengers?


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11451 times:

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 15):
Can someone tell me why BA dumped LHR-ZAG a couple of years back, only to now service DBV and SPU from LGW?

Holiday and villa traffic. There is a growing market for holiday homes in the region nowadays, as well as a return to the traditional hotel tourism.

DBV and SPU were traditionally the airports which handled that traffic. At the time BA did state ZAG wasn't performing well out of LHR.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11193 times:

AIR MALTA, I don't know anything on the suggestion of a second destination from LGW to Algeria, but if true can only think Algiers is performing well. More of a business route, like Tripoli, yet still operates from LGW. Any particular reason? Secondary destinations in Eastern Europe could be a possability as BA seems to be looking for new markets in Eastern Europe. Still a strong network to Italy from LGW, complemented by GT's flights to Spain.

Also, thanks for mentioning the BA CitiExpress increases on LCY-EDI and BA mainline on LHR-LCA. BMED also increased frequencies as you mentioned, while the former four times weekly LHR-Alexandria (Borg el Arab)-Khartoum flight is replaced by thrice weekly LHR-Beirut-Alexandria (Borg el Arab) and thrice weekly LHR-Beirut-Khartoum.

It's good to see GT moving North to take on the Charter carriers with their scheduled ops (ZB/DP) as well as the low-costs. Hopefully GT can prove there is the demand up North for a full service carrier serving the Med destinations - and not on an RJ either! While mentioning GT they relaunched a daily LHR-GIB service, with LGW-GIB flights reducing from twice daily to 10 times weekly.


Finally, happy to share this info gleaned from various News Releases, timetable searches, etc. I know many on here criticise BA for slashing longhaul routes (CCS, BOG, JED, RUH) and some shorthaul ones too (MAN-AMS, LGW-CDG) but the carrier under Rod Eddington has shown it is willing to the master of its own destiny, maintaining a decent level of service compared to its competitors. I hope Willie Walsh appreciates that for many it is the fact BA remains a cut above the rest that is one of its assets and we don't see cutbacks. I also hope we continue to see a willingness to develop and expand LGW as a leisure airport for O&D traffic - even if it means you have to make your way from LHR to LGW Stretch 8 to connect with flights! Let LHR take the business traffic while LGW can cater for the independent traveller wanting a little bit extra to start and end their holiday.



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

TASHKENT - British Airways has announced its summer schedule (which started March 27) to Tashkent, capital of Uzbekistan. The airline will operate Tashkent to London services on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Return flights from London to Tashkent will fly on Fridays, Sundays and Wednesdays. The services is operated by British Airway's independent franchise partner BMED.

Horus



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11002 times:
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Moot point about MAN-OSL being a "reduction". Yes, frequency dropped but there is more capacity on the route now by my reckoning (6 RJ100s + 1 ERJ145 verseus 12 ERJ145s).

As for GT, the plan was for May start-up but "demand" brought forward the AGP service to mid-March; we know that DBV will be replaced by FNC this winter but I hope that they publicise new services rather than let BA state they are being dropped! after the alleged launch of them.

David


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 19):
but I hope that they publicise new services rather than let BA state they are being dropped! after the alleged launch of them.

Do you see a route to Tunis, from Manchester? And how is Tunis considered? A leisure route? I am quite surprised TUN was not transferred to LHR like CMN.
TUN lacks longhaul operations and BA could gain from connecting traffic to Montreal and New York as well as Johannesburg and Asia and also to the UK. The actual flight times of the TUN operation does not allow any connection to the UK. All of the English I know that travel to Aberdeen and New Castle choose Air France over BA because it is more convenient.



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User currently offlineEgnm-lba From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
BA only want MAN as a feeder airport to LHR and a GB Airways operation for the Costas. The non-UK carriers, BD and lowcosts are the only ones prepared to put their money where their mouths are and are the operators who are fuelling growth at MAN.

Why is the internet full of people who think BA have some sort of obligation to operate services out of MAN. The only obligation BA have is to their shareholders to deliver an appropriate return on their investment. Full stop.

egnm


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Quoting Egnm-lba (Reply 21):
Why is the internet full of people who think BA have some sort of obligation to operate services out of MAN. The only obligation BA have is to their shareholders to deliver an appropriate return on their investment. Full stop.

So it has gone totally over your head.

Other carriers are making truckloads of money out of the MAN expansion. BA aren't interested. BA shareholders should be asking why BA isn't part of the MAN growth but instead is pulling more and more services out of the airport as competitors eat their lunch.

Heathrow is a difficult place to expand. Gatwick has its problems too. Manchester is growing, and where is BA? Where is BA's return on their T3 investment? Why are they not pursuing a clear revenue stream that others are tapping? Why is their MAN strategy flawed?


User currently offlineJumpJet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

Great info, thanks!

On a slightly different tack, haven't BA ordered A318s? When are they due for delivery? Has anyone any ideas or am I completely off course?


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

The 318 order was cancelled, BA opted for a different mix and some A321s instead.

25 Edina : The A318 order was swapped for the new A321s now in the fleet.
26 Post contains images Edina : You beat me to it White Hatter
27 EGNM-LBA : Not at all. So how much exactly? What's the ROI of their MAN operations? What's the operating margin? How sensitive are those returns to volumetric c
28 Scotron11 : Other carriers are making truckloads of money out of the MAN expansion. BA aren't interested. BA shareholders should be asking why BA isn't part of t
29 JumpJet : Thanks for the answers re the A318s, shame the order was swapped/cancelled! I've always liked the A318 aesthetically speaking.
30 Richardw : If BA wants to get into the no frills sector, it really has to think up a strategy of weakening the might of U2 or FR.
31 Post contains images Skidmarks : An addition to the fleet news from BACX is that although the Dash 8's are due to be centred at MAN from April '06, the first two of them are due retur
32 Flycro : Will BA fly to DBV and SPU in the winter? DBV must have performed well last summer to go daily this year???
33 Donder10 : Why is their MAN strategy flawed? Because MAN lacks a sizeable business O&D base for a hub.From various accounts bmi's long-haul routes out of MAN are
34 Post contains images EZYAirbus : G-BRYJ gone or going?? Glenn
35 Sabena 690 : EGNM-LBA and Donder10 got it right about MAN. One example is the MAN-AMS which has been discontinued recently. One of the reasons given was the fact t
36 Post contains images Skidmarks : G-BRYJ has gone. G-BRYI is going into EXE for handback maintenance on April 22nd and will be handed back end of May. Next two go in May 2006. Maybe !
37 AV8AJET : Does anyone know if that BA 737 is still in storage at GLA with the Chinese world tail? Just curious, why has it been sitting there for so long?
38 FlyCaledonian : SABENA 690, EGNM-LBA and Donder10 - I'm glad I'm not the only one on here who thinks BA shouldn't replicate its LHR operations at MAN with ERJs and Av
39 FlyCaledonian : Some updates on BA franchise carriers I forgot to add: - Sun-Air of Scandinavia Sun-Air have launched new routes from Billund to HEL and BHX, alongsid
40 Post contains images Skidmarks : BCal, The ATP's currently with Loganiar are not going to be stored, they are going to be returned to lessor startign with the first in May, which I th
41 AIR MALTA : Like I said 3 days ago, it tuned to be true British Airways will start flights from London Gatwick to Hassi Messaoud in Algeria from Tuesday 7 June,
42 Col : I also do not get the over excitement about BA reducing its strength at MAN. BA have never really attempted to make MAN a hub, they dithered and dabbl
43 Post contains images David_itl : Yes, the downgrade from daily 777 to 2 daily services: 1 by 767 and 1 by 757 (yes, they've altered plans from 2 757s!). That's a good downgrade (!) M
44 Planesarecool : Just in case anybody cares, the A319 at Gatwick, swapped on sunday night/monday morning while night stopping at Manchester, with the Heathrow night st
45 Sabena 690 : Thanks for the update, last time I checked (2 weeks ago), the majority of the flights was still on B752. I really recommend you to do this! Frederic
46 BMED : What flights will they operate from INV then, just LGW? I would have thought that Loganair would have taken over the route with the lease of the airc
47 EddieDude : Very good news! Last summer there used to be five weekly flights between MEX and LHR and I think that the loads were excellent. I look forward to try
48 Post contains links FlyCaledonian : http://www.avnclub.demon.co.uk/ Above site for the BA Aviation section confirms that Airbus A320-211 G-BUSJ is on lease from BA mainline at LHR to GB
49 Post contains links FlyCaledonian : http://www.britishairways.com/travel...c/en_gb?eId=112001&audience=travel Above link is to a News Release from BA announcing that it has terminated it
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