Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 5 Posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2418 times:
At last, Malaysia Airlines got the go-ahead from the Australian Authorities to increase its services into Australia.
From this (Northern Summer), MAS will serve, from KUL,
Brisbane daily by 777, Perth 11 times a week by 777, Melbourne twice daily by 744 (except Tue am), Sydney twice daily by 744 (except Tue am). Flights to Darwin, Cairns and Adelaide remain unchanged.
This is good news to regular travellers on the Europe-KUL-Oz routes who often cannot get seats and are forced to fly via Singapore.
Qantas believes all passengers for Malaysia should still fly via Singapore and has therefore stopped operations into Malaysia (yet again). YAWN - no wonder QF's public appeal in Malaysia is virtually nil - and no one has the heart to tell them (that adverts to fly to Oz via Singapore just doesn't appeal anymore).
British Airways has also terminated its KUL-SYD service although (I believe from reliable sources within BA) that they had planned to increase the KUL-SYD run to daily because it was doing so well. I think QF had something to do with the reversal of that decision...nb...Not a bad thing as BA will now fly the 777 exclusively to KUL - so LHR-KUL passengers no longer have to scramble for a seat on the often overbooked 744 that ran down to Sydney.
Ansett seems to be joining QF's stance and steering into KUL via code-shares with SQ. I reckon this plan will die a slow death in Malaysia, although perhaps not as painful as QFs.
KLM is planning to start using KUL as its Asian hub - which may see KLM and Alitalia transferring services from SIN to KUL - so this may be the other European choice on the routes (along with Lauda).
The interesting thing about the Australian-Malaysian market is that it is SO different from other markets in Southeast Asia as the Malaysian market is mainly for students and their families with tourism and business travellers coming second. Along with that it is not uncommon for many Malaysian families to be split between the UK, Malaysia and Australia and so are frequent travellers along the Kangaroo route. Only MAS has consistently been the only airline to provide an excellent service for this market.
Clearly QF has never quite managed to get it right in Malaysia and should have never pulled out its MEL-KUL-BOM-LHR service in 1984.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13170 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
I actually read a snippet about extra flights to MEL, which included a reference to MH. Great to see MH expanding and I also understand they are looking for more flights to LON - and that MAN should be now 3 w. nonstop with 744s.
Great so far. BUT . . .
There is one destination in Europe, of which about 40% of Australians can claim descent, which is also the fastest growing Economy in the EU, but which despite growing traffic to Asia, has no links. It amazes me that no airline has introduced a link, particularly one as innovative as MH, which has the largest Asian network. That destination? Ireland - Dublin.
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2294 times:
Reliable sources at Malaysia Airlines tell me that MAS has actually been looking long and hard at Dublin. Not only is there a lot of traffic to be gained from Oz/NZ bound for Eire, Malaysian students also make up one of the largest student groups in that country.
There are two main reasons why MAS is holding off Dublin as a destination.
1. Traffic for Dublin has often in the past been seasonal and no airline (Aer Lingus included) has successfully mounted flights to the East and beyond - hence no data for comparison.
2. MAS offers a code-share with British Midland to feed passengers into Dublin from its flights at Heathrow - past booking figures show that virtually all passengers travelling to Eire also visit the UK/London - so demand for a direct service may be slack.
Malaysia Airlines is always looking for improvements to their service - I'm glad the worst of the economic crisis is over.
London-Heathrow services are once again chalking up the charts with pay-loads and MAS looks set to challenge the UK govt. again about either (a) an extra daily service to make it 3/day or (b) MAS has expressed some intent to begin a London-Gatwick service - although is reluctant to split operations.
Manchester has done well after an initial poor start and will be going non-stop from this week. From June, the 777 will give way to its big brother the humble 744.
The other thing to note is that MAS is looking set to join KLM in Wings - this may actually change the way we travel in the UK considerably as KLMuk would then become an integral part of MAS' network. KLM has very successfully marketed itself as the alternative choice with frequent departures from ALL over the UK and Eire with KLMuk and connecting at Amsterdam. MAS and KLM now operate a successful code-share on the KUL-AMS route...so watch this space.
Pleased to see that Zagreb is once again on-line at Malaysia Airlines. Zagreb was temporarily suspended during the worst of the economic crisis. Perhaps we may see Madrid also coming back on-line soon.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13170 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2283 times:
Hi Mas 777,
Thanks very much indeed for your reply, which was very helpful. Currently, we have about 120k inbound from Aussie, about 40-50k outbound and another c.50k inbound from Asia, which could of course use KUL as a hub. You're right to say a lot of students study here. I've been working on this issue for many years now and I am currently working on putting an incentive package together, aimed at airlines like Malaysia. (Indeed, I'm off back home to Ireland this morning, away until Sunday).
In response to your points:
1) The very fact that there are no direct flights allows the first airline (there may be room for one) to come in and establish a position here. A 2w. 777 would carry around 30k/pa, so given the above figures, there obviously a market. )
2) The main reason why most passengers go through the UK is because there is no choice, so they take a break while they can get it! As you may know, MH is currently looking to get extra slots at LHR; to relieve pressure on its existing flights, a direct route to DUB might be the best way to do this. Even if there is a BM codeshare, it should be possible to offer combined packages, allowing people to come direct and fly out via LHR or vv, if they so wished.
Anyway, sorry for going on and on; thanks again for your info!
Tailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
Hi MAS, this is Tailscraper, you asked me about a flight I made in another thread (the one to Argentina).
Well, three years ago we lived in Kenya. Since my mother is from Argentina, the best way to get there was to fly South African A320 from Nairobi to Johannesburg, then hitch a ride on MH's service to EZE. I'm so glad they stopped at Cape Town (for whatever reason), because the approach and landing were beautiful (in terms of the view from the window). We deplaned at CPT, which I also enjoyed. The whole flight from Cape town to Bs.As. is done during the daytime; yes the plane was full (at least from Biz-I think it's "Golden Club" or something, and economy was full aswell.)
It was my first trip on an Asian airline, and the service was brilliant. The food (sweet and sour duck!!), the FA's uniform was really nice, the plane looked really new (I think the name was "Penang" or "Kota ---")-is that a 744 name? There was also "Kuala Lumpur" we flew on.
Even the cabin smelt beautiful! I visited the cockpit everytime, everyone was really helpful and friendly, one of the Captain's was English!! We once flew the route on a 742 aswell. Apparently MH crew love the route (Buenos Aires is a lovely city). I've never been from/to KUL on that route though. MH are now competing with SA on the same route, so they must be doing well! Have you heard of the new KL-Munich-Manchester 777 service?
Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2266 times:
Having just come back from a trip to Dublin, I was also thinking that direct flights to Asia should be something either SQ, MH or Aer LIngus should look at. Being the only direct air link to Asia, it would do well. it will help boost tourism and business ties between Ireland and Asia, and then there is the transit traffic to consider onwards to other parts ot SE Asia and Australia. Dont forget a large number of Australians have roots in Ireland. and currently they have to go through Heathrow, which can be a complete waste of time for those who want to go direct. A twice weekly B777/A340 service with a stop in either Rome, Zurich will do well. Singapore Airlines I think will do well if it launched a SIngapore-Rome/Zurich-Dublin A340 route.
With Aer Lingus joining oneworld, maybe they could start a direct feed to Asia using their A330s, and codesharing with CX or even QF.
Avion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2265 times:
I think they could use zurich as the stopover. Currently the daily 744 flight from zurich to singapore has a groundtime of something like eight hours. They tow the aircraft away to a remote position to make space for other aircraft and it makes no profit during these hours. A flight to DUB would be a good solution. They could also transport passengers on the ZRH-DUB and DUB-ZRH route because switzerland is not an EU member.
It would be nice to see an asian airline in dublin.
Kbyongsj From Ireland, joined May 2000, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
I hope you're successful with your DUB-KUL (and onwards to Oz) on MH flight package incentive. I live here in Dublin and though LHR has a reputation as a big hub, I find the Transit Area of T3 cramp and uncomfortable. The last time I travelled, the holding room was under renovation (for MH night flight)...
I would love to be able to fly direct DUB-KUL-SIN on MH
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (15 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2227 times:
The big drawback to DUB-KUL/SIN-Aussie flights are the great deals we Aussies get with the current carriers. Fares at the moment are still quite cheap, and you get included in most of them, a free return flight to one of many cities in Europe, one of which is Dublin.
The Kangaroo route is one on which yields are decreasing as competition increases, most recently coming from Emirates. Aer Lingus would not take the chance on introducing a service only to discontinue it a few months later due to lack of profits. Don't forget, EI would have to obtain extra aircraft for this route. MH, on the other hand may take that chance.
Teahan From Ireland, joined Nov 1999, 5377 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (15 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2214 times:
There is no way MH could continue the ZRH flight for several reasons. These include that slots are difficult to get in Zurich and knowing Switzerland they would not get traffic rights on ZRH-DUB sectors! I think it should be SIA instead. They allready have an office in DUB and operate a twice weekly cargo service to Singapore! Maybe one day we will see services Asia-Dublin! Maybe just Maybe!
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