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When Is The 5th ATL Runway To Open?  
User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13251 posts, RR: 100
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4527 times:
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I searched the previous posts and was unable to find a definitive link as to when the 5th runway at ATL opens. Last I heard it was summer of 2005, but does anyone know THE DATE (day, hour)? It should be soon.

I believe this will allow ATL to overcome ORD as the airport with the greatest number of movements per year. Ok, there might be a gate limit, but obviously another runway will reduce delays and allow current gates to have a greater utilization rate.

Thanks in advance,
Lightsaber


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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2571 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

May 2006

http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Defau...=sublevels/airport_info/gmpage.htm


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Will RWY 10/28 give ATL the ability to do triple simultaneous aprch's like DEN?


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User currently offlineIanatSTN From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Am I correct in thinking that the 5th runway is slightly shorter than the other 4, and will be predominately used by regional jets/737's/717's etc?

Cheers,
Ian.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting IanatSTN (Reply 3):
Am I correct in thinking that the 5th runway is slightly shorter than the other 4, and will be predominately used by regional jets/737's/717's etc?

That was the original plan. The runway was planned as a 6,000ft runway, to be used basically for RJ operations. However, the airport authority decided it would be better to build a full 9,000ft runway, just like 09R/27L and 08L/26R, to be usable for all airliners to land, and also to take off (except longhaul flights). Another factor for the lenghtening was the idea that in the future there will be new South Terminal between 10/28 and 09R/27L, which would make good use of 10/28 as a departure runway.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 2):
Will RWY 10/28 give ATL the ability to do triple simultaneous aprch's like DEN?

Either that or triple simultaneous departures. The runway is some 4,300ft apart from 09R/27L, IIRC.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13251 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4352 times:
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Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 1):
May 2006

http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Defau...e.htm

Thanks. So its on schedule? That web page has been there for over a year.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
Another factor for the lenghtening was the idea that in the future there will be new South Terminal between 10/28 and 09R/27L, which would make good use of 10/28 as a departure runway.

Yep! Although I've notice the taxiway arrangement doesn't leave as much land for the South Terminal as earlier plans.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 2):
Will RWY 10/28 give ATL the ability to do triple simultaneous aprch's like DEN?

Yep!
The adverse weather capacity is set to increase 34% from:
http://www.faa.gov/events/benchmarks/DOWNLOAD/pdf/02-Atlanta.pdf

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
Thanks. So its on schedule? That web page has been there for over a year.

Very much on schedule. All that pretty much remains is to finish up the overpass/tunnel on I-285 and then laydown the concrete for the runway and the taxiways.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):

Yep! Although I've notice the taxiway arrangement doesn't leave as much land for the South Terminal as earlier plans.

Actually the planned location has plenty of room. Here's a rough outline:
http://home.earthlink.net/~srbmod/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/atlrun.jpg

The red represents the new runway and taxiway area. The purple represents the rerouting of Riverdale Road and GA 314 (I meant to also highlight the rerouting of Sullivan Road on the SW corner). The blue represents the bridge/tunnel where the runway spans I-285. The green is the area in which the new Southside Terminal will be built.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Was wondering, are there any security concerns for this new runway underpass? Would think they'd raise a few, maybe prohibiting semis from going under, etc etc. Will be one heck of a structure though.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Hey Guys,

Little off topic. I will visit ATL this Saturday and I understand that South parking garage is not the best place in the morning. I will arrive at ATL around 8am and I will have 5 horus before I can check in to hotel. Where I can go for pictures? Also consider that I won't have a car.

Thanks,
Rafal

BTW - Anyone is willing to join me this Saturday for pictures at ATL?

[Edited 2005-04-06 18:30:03]

User currently offlineNwa1978 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Speaking of the new runway, does anyone have any pic's of the progress? I dont know how much one would be able to see but i have not been to atl for a while so I have no clue what it looks like.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 2):
Will RWY 10/28 give ATL the ability to do triple simultaneous aprch's like DEN?

Yes, it will, although DEN is now qualified for quadruple simultaneous ILS approaches.

N


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting Nwa1978 (Reply 9):
Speaking of the new runway, does anyone have any pic's of the progress? I dont know how much one would be able to see but i have not been to atl for a while so I have no clue what it looks like.

Best way would be to use a.net's photo database. Just look for Airport Overview's of Atlanta within the last 2 years. There are quite a few pics where the new runway is visible, although in the pics it still is more of a sand track.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26599 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
Was wondering, are there any security concerns for this new runway underpass? Would think they'd raise a few, maybe prohibiting semis from going under, etc etc. Will be one heck of a structure though.

Given that many other airports have tunnels under their runways, including LAX which has them under the 2 longest runways, and big trucks run under all the time, I don't think it will be an issue. That tunnel is Sepulveda Blvd., which is very busy 24/7 and where one would notice a stopped car. Same with the interstate highway that will go under the new ATL runway



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13251 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4156 times:
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 6):
Actually the planned location has plenty of room. Here's a rough outline:

Srbmod, Not to nitpick, but you drew the original layout. If you look at the link I put at the end of post 5 and scroll down to the outline of the airport you'll notice the taxiway is now diagonal cutting right through the Green box where the south terminal is supposed to go. They went for cutting transit times short term. Obviously taxiways are easier to build than runways, but the diagonal taxiway was selected at the same time they went to a 9,000 ft runway (from 6,000 ft).

Quoting Nwa1978 (Reply 9):
Speaking of the new runway, does anyone have any pic's of the progress? I dont know how much one would be able to see but i have not been to atl for a while so I have no clue what it looks like.

Yes, I would love to see pictures. Doubly so if their from the air.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
Yes, it will, although DEN is now qualified for quadruple simultaneous ILS approaches.

Wow! Can you imagine what DEN will be like with the full 12 runways? Now if they would only get on the ball at IAD for the new runway and LAX/SFO for the runway reconfigurations.

Congratulations to ATL. Keeping with the expansion during the downturn is going to make it look like they planned it just right. While I would have liked to see the south terminal opening at the same time, I think all of us understand cuts had to be made in the last few years.

Out of curiosity, does anyone else remember that when this started the proposal was for TWO new runways?

Lightsaber.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13):
Srbmod, Not to nitpick, but you drew the original layout. If you look at the link I put at the end of post 5 and scroll down to the outline of the airport you'll notice the taxiway is now diagonal cutting right through the Green box where the south terminal is supposed to go. They went for cutting transit times short term. Obviously taxiways are easier to build than runways, but the diagonal taxiway was selected at the same time they went to a 9,000 ft runway (from 6,000 ft).

The FAA link is incorrect. I work out @ ATL and have watched the progress out the project. If the taxiway was going to be diagonal, they would have already laid the dirt for it, plus they would have had to do a bridge/tunnel for the NLVR around the airport perimeter inside the SIDA if they did the taxiway diagonally. Loop Road is closed just past South Cargo because of the new taxiway, which goes straight across towards 10/28.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13):
Out of curiosity, does anyone else remember that when this started the proposal was for TWO new runways?

What killed that was the cost of acquiring the land. It was going to cost nearly twice as much as the fifth runway just because of the land costs. The proposed area where a sixth runway would have involved displacing around 10,000 people, several schools, and quite a few businesses. A chunk of that land is a former landfill, and that isn't exactly the best type of land to build on (Plus you have the issue of having to constantly burn off the methane being produced as well.), so it would probably have had to been the safety zone at the end.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13251 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4069 times:
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 14):
Loop Road is closed just past South Cargo because of the new taxiway, which goes straight across towards 10/28.

Good to hear, I'm happy to find out I was mis-informed.  Smile That leaves plenty of room for the south terminal. I saw plans go from a straight taxi way to the diagonal... Apparently they went back and I missed the switch! Cool enough.

Thanks everyone!
Lightsaber

ps
I've broken 300 posts!  bigthumbsup 



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