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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3942 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7522 times:
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well this is a great announcement for CO, however, are we about at the limit for long distance flight announcements until we take delivery of the 787 in 2009? I think everyone downtown at Scheduling and Aircraft routing has got to be working real hard to tweak every 777 schedule.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Well with the 753s coming this summer will we see any new 753 cities or new cities with those freed up 757s/738s/739s? One thing is definite IAH won't be getting any long distance cities for some time to come (2009?) Unless they decide to pick up some interim 767s via leases or second hand.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3942 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7514 times:
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i think our next IAH expansion is going to be (Mexico always) but will be in S. America....we are now flying our 738 winglets on IAH-ANC (3266 mil.) i imagine we will see some more cities in S. America open up.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7464 times:

Yeah, I agree--with the widebodies becoming fully utilized and the 752s enroute to a similar fate they will probably start maxing those 738s and 73Gs out--as well as the ERJ XRs. Its like having a garage full of EVOs, 911s, RX8s, and Corvettes and taking them to an autocross track every day--vs. going to the grocery store.


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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Thread starter):
Whats Next For CO?

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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

Well, with new labor contracts in place I will speculate (for the two cents it's worth, including inflation) that CO will expand into underserved, long thin markets in Europe and South America. The newly ordered 787 and the newly leased 757's will serve them well in this capacity. Most flights will come from EWR.


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User currently offlineDrdivo From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7286 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 2):
i think our next IAH expansion is going to be (Mexico always) but will be in S. America.

What I've been hearing from a VERY reliable inside source is that with the delivery of more 75M, 762 service to some European destinations will be down gauged with increased frequencies of 75M and 762 service is being considered for IAH-FRA, IAH-MAD and IAH-FCO.

I have been waiting for CO to go after those EZE slots that they gave up to DL many moons ago that now reside with AA and are operated from DFW.



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User currently offlineGogodude From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1):
One thing is definite IAH won't be getting any long distance cities for some time to come (2009?)

Actually, this article begs to differ:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3121673

Never mind, that article talks about Newark, not IAH. Sorry. Carry on.

[Edited 2005-04-06 23:16:00]

User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7206 times:

Maybe they will finally throw us at CLE a bone, and give us some intl. service. Perhaps year round LGW & AMS with the 72M?


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8234 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7150 times:

What's a 72M?



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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

what other international cities does anyone think CO will expand to next?

personally, I would love to see CUZ (Cuzco, Peru), but it would have to be on a 733. It's an ideal market for daily ERJ service, but maybe 3 or 4x/week for a 733, as there probably isn't enough demand for daily.


User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
What's a 72M?

That is the new designation for a 757 with winglets. I just learned that a few days ago.



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User currently onlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 11):
That is the new designation for a 757 with winglets. I just learned that a few days ago.

Wouldnt that be 75M not 72M?

TWA902



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8234 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Interesting... I'm sure the CLE-LGW route, due to start again this month, will be one of the first to see the winglets.

Funny thing... I was up at CLE yesterday and there was an ERJ at D with a bag cart next to it and on the bag cart was the white and blue "LGW" sign. ERJs to LGW, I thought... for some reason it doesn't surprise me.  Big grin



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User currently offlineSam the Lab From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Any of you folks in the know about Continental have any thought on what the chances could ever be of an EWR-Cork, Ireland (ORK) if and when the compulsory Shannon stopover ever goes?

Ideal 757-200 material on a few days a week in the summer at the very least? From a local audience's point of view in the Cork and surrounding area it would be better if Aer Lingus tried this but the A330 equipment is just too big for now, I feel.

I understand Continental are now to install winglets on 737-700 series aircraft so I cant help wondering would we ever see such aircraft on this side of the Atlantic? Should be able to do EWR to Cork in one hop even in winter with winglets installed or is this just pie in the sky, so to speak!?

Anyway, Cork's shiney new terminal should be ready for summer 2006 so what about it Continental? Sure would like to welcome you to Cork!


User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Interesting... I'm sure the CLE-LGW route, due to start again this month, will be one of the first to see the winglets.

Funny thing... I was up at CLE yesterday and there was an ERJ at D with a bag cart next to it and on the bag cart was the white and blue "LGW" sign. ERJs to LGW, I thought... for some reason it doesn't surprise me.


Yeah that cart goes everywhere, it was created to use only for the LGW flight but it gets around....CLE-AMS is still rumored in CLE with a 757-200



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

Quoting Drdivo (Reply 6):

I have been waiting for CO to go after those EZE slots that they gave up to DL many moons ago that now reside with AA and are operated from DFW.

They are now permantently in the hands of AA. CO can't have them back.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 10):
personally, I would love to see CUZ (Cuzco, Peru), but it would have to be on a 733. It's an ideal market for daily ERJ service, but maybe 3 or 4x/week for a 733, as there probably isn't enough demand for daily.

AA tried Cuzco in the late 1990s. The problem isn't demand, it is there, but the airport facilities are horrendous. I have no idea about the range of a 733, but an ERJ definitley cannot make IAH-CUZ. It is longer than, MIA-SEA, the longest US transcon flight



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User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

Hopefully, coming back on the EWR-DUS route  Smile

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

I think EWR-JNB, EWR-SEL, EWR-KIX, EWR-Cork, EWR-BCN, and EWR-BSL are all distinct possibilities, but more widebodies, 777's or 787's are needed for some of these. BCN, BSL, and Cork can be flown with 75's.

User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 12):
Wouldnt that be 75M not 72M?

Oops, I accidentally typed a "2". I did mean 5. It's been a long day. But I think the 757 is the only one with an m designation, so it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6822 times:

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 8):
Maybe they will finally throw us at CLE a bone, and give us some intl. service. Perhaps year round LGW & AMS with the 72M?

AMS is the next logical choice, if there is a scrap thrown at CLE. I heard there were two international destinations that CLE could get, AMS was one, and the other one shocked the hell out of me-so much, that I won't even repeat it on here.  Silly


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 18):
I think EWR-JNB, EWR-SEL, EWR-KIX, EWR-Cork, EWR-BCN, and EWR-BSL are all distinct possibilities, but more widebodies, 777's or 787's are needed for some of these. BCN, BSL, and Cork can be flown with 75's.

CO will most likely use their 787-800s for Asian markets such as Seoul, Osaka, Nagoya etc.. In the meantime there are plenty of 757 oppurtunities from EWR as well as CLE and IAH.

As mentioned..

EWR-
Basel (pharmeceutical traffic), Barcelona (tourism), Nice, Lyon, Newcastle and CO reportedly wanted in to Rotterdam but some EU laws are keeping them out.



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User currently offlineIAHTowTeam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

Well...one thing is for sure...we are going to take advantage of the open skies agreement between the US and INDIA. CO just announced non stop 777 service from EWR starting OCT.31. I was hoping we would make a move like this!

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4772 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

With India the next logical step is EWR-BOM nonstop which probably would happen once the B 787s arrive in 2009 or CO lease in extra B 772ERs earlier on.

Btw DL codeshares on EKs daily JFK-DXB-JFK flight...does CO too? If EK ever fly EWR-DXB-EWR, I would definitely expect a CO codeshare on that nonstop route.


User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
AMS is the next logical choice, if there is a scrap thrown at CLE. I heard there were two international destinations that CLE could get, AMS was one, and the other one shocked the hell out of me-so much, that I won't even repeat it on here.

Well, I am very hopeful for AMS in 2006. It would be great and probably very profitable considering it would connect Mittal Steel's US headquarters and World Headquarters (technically in Rotterdam). In addition, there would be ample connection opportunities that London just cannot provide. But come on Falcon, dont leave us in suspense on the second possibility! At least just a hint!  silly 


25 Post contains images Lt-AWACS : IAH-MAD would be nice one of these days, but I'll settle for the newly briefed Houston-Tikal flights Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns, Capt-AWACS, In God We T
26 CLE757 : My choices for CLE would be 1. AMS-probably the next intl flight 2. CDG 3. FRA-long shot 4. HNL-easily could fill up on the weekends 5. PDX-ran full d
27 DAYflyer : Co seems to be spending a crapload of money on winglets these days. I wish them well with the long term strategy.
28 Drdivo : Seasonal service, starts 2006. Or, so I hear. My source has never been wrong, although sometimes the start of service is delayed.
29 Wdleiser : EWR-JNB? I really don't ever see that happening. First I dont think they have a plane that can directly make that. So that would require them to go th
30 Post contains images GoCOgo : The 787 in a few years. There is no rule they have to be used in Asia, although that is a logical place for most. If they are planning on starting an
31 Stretch 8 : You must be kidding if you think Cleveland needs additional international service (or ANY international service, for that matter). CLE should be pared
32 Post contains links YUL332LX : ''Whats Next For CO?'' PVG, 2007 See: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2041923/
33 Falcon84 : Well CLE does need at least another international destination, Stretch, despite your armchair QB observation. AMS would be a perfect fit, since it wo
34 CALMSP : the only logical flights for CLE would be AMS & seasonal HNL service....and probably summer service to MEX as well. It sure would be nice just for one
35 GoCOgo : We can dream, can't we? Anyway, I don't think more international service is that unlikey. Why do you say that? Just because CLE is small doesn't mean
36 EA CO AS : But I think the 757 is the only one with an m designation, so it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Actually, the B-737-200C's designation is "73M"
37 CALMSP : i thought ATA was using 73M for their 737-800 business class planes..
38 N774UA : Isn't M the designation for a combi? N774UA
39 CALMSP : yea, KLM also uses the M for their 747 service to IAH!!
40 Drdivo : 75M is CO's internal designation for the wingletted, J class configured international 752s. In the schedule, a regular 752 is referred to as just tha
41 Slider : I disagree....there is AMS service out of DTW and CVG just in the immediate region, as well as ORD. Also, one company does not economic justification
42 EA CO AS : Here's the SABRE response when decoding the 73M designation: »w/eq*73m« 73M BOEING 737 JETPGR FRT¶ 115-130 STD SEATS¶ » This is definitely the -2
43 CALMSP : i think we could possibly see some more RJ expansion out of LAX.....our current AGU/MLM/BJX flights are doing fantastic. Possibly even some upgrade of
44 Dutch122 : Hi Guys, Stt757, Rotterdam has never been mentioned by Continental Airlines, but someone person Randy...... from Boeing did, during congress in the Ne
45 GoCOgo : Out of EWR Current: CO102 = 762 CO70 = 772 Summer CO102 = 762 CO70 = 764 772=283 seats 764=235 seats Loss = 48 seats. IAH will remain twice daily wit
46 Dutch122 : GoCoGo Ok that way of losing 48 seats.The switch of equipment has to do with revenue reasons. And also putting the B777 into service on other routes w
47 CALMSP : the 2nd flight just started.....so in fact we gain 12 BF seats by adding a 2nd frequency.
48 STT757 : There is a huge amount of trade between Port Newark and Rotterdam, I was under the impression there's a major Company based in Rotterdam that has hug
49 CALMSP : i think our next step should be GUM.......I would love to have a non-stop from here in IAH to GUM.......or atleast IAH-LAX-GUM....
50 IAHTowTeam : I was thinking we might start this service when we get our 787's. Maybe a EWR-GUM or IAH-GUM? It's about time we linked our pacific hub up with our N
51 Avek00 : CO's 737 fleet cannot perform TATL in both directions on anything approaching an economical basis.
52 CALMSP : Well it must if were flying our 737-800s to IAH-ANC!!!
53 GoCOgo : IAH-ANC: 2838nm EWR-RTM: 3174nm A 738 can't do it. Maybe a 737-700 with winglets. Maybe, but I doubt they would do the route. So are you saying that
54 Berlinflyer : they will pull out of Berlin again after the summer, because - as far as I can compare the bookings at delta and continental for berlin/new york - del
55 CALMSP : i was speaking on the terms of other long distance 738 flights, not directly to RTM....more of the line to the UK!!! I am talking about the 2nd freque
56 Ncflyer : it seems to me like CO is in no mood to invest in CLE. Yeah they aren't going anywhere with the nice lease that was signed, but they've been doing a l
57 N766UA : They built concourse D and helped in funding much of the new expansion, particularly the new runway... seems like some big investments there. The pro
58 CALMSP : there really is no traffic b/t CLE-XNA/BHM/SLC. The only reason we opened XNA was due to Wal-Mart. SLC was opened only b/c of DL codeshare. The DTW de
59 CALMSP : off our employee memo.........36 737-700s will be receiving winglets. the test 757-200 will be returned shortly w/o winglets until june when it receiv
60 GoCOgo : What I'm saying is this. TODAY, still the winter schedule, CO is operating two flights, 102 and 70. CO102 I know was just recently added, but isn't i
61 N766UA : Yeah, CO definately flies the 1900 to DTW because NW has DC-9s and A319s on the route. Same with CVG, DL flies the 732 down there so CO downgraded fro
62 Falcon84 : Slider, CO isn't running the flights out of those cities, and you just don't ceede possible market share to another airline, even if it is an Allianc
63 Avek00 : Why do you think CLE-AMS would work? The O&D pax demand for CLE-AMS would likely be no greater than for NW/KL MEM-AMS (i.e., minimal), and to make ma
64 CLE757 : Cle generates more freight than you think, most of it is shipped via truck to EWR and DTW because of no widebodys.
65 Dutch122 : GoCoGo, Sorry for the confusion , no has nothing to do with downgrading from the B777 to EWR, we do have 7 daily flights to IAH CO47/46 and 3 extra fl
66 CLE757 : I know the rumor Falcon....TLV..but if you think about it, it just might work.
67 GoCOgo : Dutch, CALMSP, et al, I think I get what you are saying now. I didn't quite have the time line down and I forgot about the KLM flights. We have a Jewi
68 Falcon84 : A well-respected member of this forum, who's judgement I do trust, told me a 762 could make that run.
69 Luv2fly : I really do not think the Jewish community in CLE is that large to support a dedicated flight to TLV? I would really expect to see a TLV flight offere
70 CLE757 : I've heard that CLE has the second or third highest Jewish population in the country, I dont know if its true or not but I do know we send alot of pe
71 Lemurs : Not quite...New Jersey/New York (for flying purposes we'll call that one population) California, Florida, Illinois are the 4 largest. Ohio comes in a
72 Thomacf : Could today's vote on the ISG - Mittel merger forming the largest steel company in the world be a major catalyst in CLE - AMS service. I know the whol
73 Post contains links GoCOgo : Forgot the 762ER had over 6000nm in range. I guess it could do it. That only works out to be 14 passengers a day, or 96 a week. It would have to be m
74 EA CO AS : Ohio comes in about 9 or 10 though with ~200,000, so it's nothing to scoff at. I wouldn't be surprised if this accounts for at least 4-5,000 pax a yea
75 Airzim : Ever heard of Hub and Spoke? If CLE was on the drawing board I think it is safe to assume that CO wants to focus on the point-to-point NYC-TLV traffic
76 CALMSP : well, if your coming from LAX....you will be going through EWR most likely......flight 90 originates in LAX......however, I understand your point....b
77 Lemurs : I'd say you have a point, but you're neglecting the fact that CO can't treat EWR-TLV as a point-to-point route. There is a LOT of competition in the
78 Airzim : Yes you can if you only end up flying once a day instead of two! Just speculating but sending a 767 to CLE for connecting TLV traffic and keeping EWR
79 Chrisjake : CLE has a huge jewish population. an organization that i am very familiar with actually sends people between CLE-TLV almost daily, if not weekly. this
80 Avek00 : CLE's freight traffic couldn't hold a candle to MEM's. For a long time, freight was the only thing keeping AMS-MEM alive.
81 CALMSP : we need the 2x daily EWR-TLV...........the BF cabin for the 777s are always full to capacity....we would lose money if we downgraded to one and then s
82 Post contains images Airportugal310 : "One company won't cut it to be sure. But I think there will be more than one company, plus many other leisure travellers, that certainly would use th
83 Post contains images EA CO AS : Ever heard of Hub and Spoke? If CLE was on the drawing board I think it is safe to assume that CO wants to focus on the point-to-point NYC-TLV traffic
84 Bobnwa : "Freight was the only thing keeping AMS-MEM alive" Could you expand on that a bit. Where did that info come from?
85 Lemurs : That's fine and all, but "sends people" and "sends enough people to fill an airplane every day" are two hugely different things. Charter flights are
86 CLE757 : CLE-TLV doesnt have to be daily, It could be one,two or five days a week!..I bet it would fill up..As far as freight goes dont think CLE doesnt genera
87 Drerx7 : Even still--CLE won't be getting any widebodies anywhere from CO for a long while to come.
88 CLE757 : You never know, I think CLE will get another international flight whether its a 757 or a 777 I think somethings going to happen.
89 Luv2fly : As much as I would like to see some additional International or wide body flights out of CLE, I just do not see it happening anytime soon.
90 Thomacf : There is a very big push for Isreal based bio tech companies to start up US operations in Cleveland's University Circle area. This has been going on f
91 Mats : I think that Continental is more likely to reconsider European destinations that it no longer serves, namely Munich and Dusseldorf. Likewise, I'm surp
92 GoCOgo : Since when is MEM the standard on which all cargo markets are judged? Just because there in less CLE cargo traffic doesn't mean that it has hardly an
93 Luv2fly : The one thing that needs to happen before any build up of International flights is a far better custom and immigration experience!!!! The set up they
94 MasseyBrown : There is a customs upgrade in the airport expansion program. I don't know where it stands in the list of what to do next. TSA's tower replacement sche
95 Drerx7 : I should have clarified--CO widebodies are maxed out until more come online (2009 and beyond)--even then it will be a little while before CLE gets bee
96 CALMSP : i wouldnt be that surprised if we saw a 3rd TLV flight by a 762.....easily doable with pax
97 CORULEZ05 : Completly agree on that. I can not wait until CO gets the 787 and see expansion to Asia. Europe has seen a lot of expansion and the next on the list
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