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Who Is Boeing's "Mystery Customer"?  
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10363 times:

In a recent interview Scott Carson said that he was able to get approval from Seattle to close a deal in 20 minutes

"Two weeks ago, Carson said, he was able to close a sale with a European customer in 20 minutes -- the time it took to get the OK from Boeing executives back in Seattle.

There was a time when that process could have taken as much as two days, he said.

Carson would not identify the customer, saying an announcement could come in a couple of weeks."


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/218905_air06.html

as opposed to the multi day process it took just a few months ago. This interview was about Boeings streamlining of their sales process and how they plan to increase marketshare.

My question is this....what European airline just concluded a deal with Boeing to buy new airliners?

Anyone in the know here?


[Edited 2005-04-07 00:10:19]


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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10340 times:

I wouldnt be supprised if it was Air France? But then again maybe it could have been a LCC? Possibly VS?

[Edited 2005-04-07 00:14:02]

User currently offlineBhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10332 times:

Air France is interested in the T7 freighter.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10300 times:

Quoting Bhill (Reply 2):
Air France is interested in the T7 freighter.

This article is dated today, the AF order was announced several weeks ago. I would assume it's something new...


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10025 times:

I'm going to predict that it will be a major order for the 787 to an established Boeing customer, either AF/KL or BA. I'm basing this on the quickness on the approval by Boeing's higher ups.

User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9677 times:

Maybe LOT decided to pick the 787 over the A350. Decision is supposed to be made soon. Anyone else in Europe publicly looking at new planes? Maybe a LH or BA 787 order.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9636 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
I'm going to predict that it will be a major order for the 787 to an established Boeing customer, either AF/KL or BA. I'm basing this on the quickness on the approval by Boeing's higher ups.



Quoting Hoya (Reply 5):
Maybe LOT decided to pick the 787 over the A350. Decision is supposed to be made soon. Anyone else in Europe publicly looking at new planes? Maybe a LH or BA 787 order.

I find it hard to see AF buying the 787 any time soon and KL are about to start receiving the first 6 of up to 24 A330s (not that I expect them to take all 24). BA hardly seem in buying mood these days though the 787 seems an obvious choice for them - ultimately. LH are known to be looking for a replacement for the 300-600 so could that be the 787-3? But, if he's talking about the 787, then LOT, Aer Lingus or another charter airline (TUI Group?) are the most likely customers.


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9527 times:
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Quoting Hoya (Reply 5):
Maybe LOT decided to pick the 787 over the A350

I'd agree though they only recently asked for RFPs to be re-submitted and that doesn't quite fit the time frame which is being spoken of. For approval to be granted in such a manner leads me to believe that Boeing got a "one shot" chance to "win" an order and took it. Be very interesting to see who this will be. However it could well be LOT after all. We wait again.......

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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9339 times:

remember that a while ago that LH said to announce the 737 replacement in april? or do they suppose to order new planes in april 2006?

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

I would think Aer Lingus and LOT are the likely airlines, but Aer Lingus has an all Airbus fleet apart from the odd 737.  Confused  Confused

User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9015 times:

I can't see it being BA at present. They are still going through the process of aggressively reducing debt.

LH seems to be on an Airbus move at moment and I see this continuing where planes are broadly comparable for political reasons.



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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting BA380 (Reply 10):

I can't see it being BA at present. They are still going through the process of aggressively reducing debt.

BA's debt isn't that bad. Would be great if it was them, though.


User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

I'm thinking its KLM, they love the T777.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

AZ maybe - thanks to getting bailed out by the government again.....

Replacements for the 767s ???



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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 13):

AZ maybe - thanks to getting bailed out by the government again.....

BA & LH would have kittens! Would be a right laugh though.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Whoever it was, great news. I hope we know very soon. I hope it is a 787 order for LOT.


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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

Its 2 for FlyGlobespan and 3 options  Wink Just guesing.


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

5 new 787s for Cornish Intercontinental Airlines - to help launch Transatlantic services out of Newquay International.

JFK LAX MIA IAD SFO and ORD mentioned as initial destinations  Wink



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User currently offlineGLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8496 times:

I would rule out AF / KLM, not interested in 737s (AF has an all Airbus short haul fleet and KLM has enough of those) and using the A330. I cannot imagine 20 more 777 for them.
BA is a possibility: they have lots of 757 that will end up being retired at some point and they should start thinking about their replacement.
LH, they have all they need.
AZ is a possibility if their finances allow that.


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

same here DAYflyer,

They need these new planes. Old once are ...old, dirty, leased. So how many is LOT wanting? 5-6? LOT would be one of first europeans to fly 787. They already got quite of bit attention from european spotters about first E-170's.
I hope they will design new livery for 787, old one is kinda boring already.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
5 new 787s for Cornish Intercontinental Airlines - to help launch Transatlantic services out of Newquay International

Wait...let me guess: They serve Cornish Game Hens for meals?  champagne 

Quoting PolAir (Reply 19):
I hope they will design new livery for 787, old one is kinda boring already.

Maybe either B or A will throw in a new livery design as part of the deal...we can only hope.



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

Lufthansa is privately owned, they have a huge 747 fleet. All they want is for Boeing to add sidesticks and they'd purchase more Boeing products.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 12):
I'm thinking its KLM, they love the T777.

How do you know?

Quoting BA380 (Reply 10):
LH...for political reasons.

Don't agree. And LH have said that they don't want to rely on just one supplier. Airbus don't offer anything that'll do the FRA-TXL shuttle (well, they do - it's the A300 but that's what LH want to replace) which is why they did some trials with the 757-300 a year or so back.


User currently offlineBtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7922 times:
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How about bmi?  duck 

I read somewhere on here they are due to make a major announcement. That could mean anything.... Probably not an order for the 787 but worth mentioning.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

How about Finnair, they have been in talks for, I believe, up to 8-10 787s.


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25 Gokmengs : THY is also considering buying the 787 or A350. Hey they are profitable and decided to double the capacity.(they already ordered a mix of 737's-A330's
26 PANAM_DC10 : He doesn't, he has just expressed his opinion which he's entitled to do. Good call NYC777 Cheers
27 AirRyan : Wow, I'd like to have Scott's job - it must be a dream selling Boeing jets to airlines!
28 Ken777 : This is the fun time - waiting to see who bought, how many and what they bought. Since the article didn't mention which plane(s) were ordered it could
29 Shamrock350 : Could well be bmi, but they are also an all airbus fleet.
30 Morvious : Little off topic, but would the 787 fit a charter like Martinair? I thought they were looking for more 767's, would a 787 do the trick for them to?
31 GLA MD11 : I would say brand new aircrafts are too expensive for charters like Martinair. Juste my 2cts.
32 PlaneSmart : Could it be a 747/777 customer, with the mix of aircraft depending on whether it's a 747ADV/777 order (if the ADV goes ahead) or 744/777 if it doesn't
33 LifelinerOne : Rumours are getting stronger here that Martinair is going to get brand new A330's, right from the AF/KLM-options that are already ordered... Cheers!
34 DL021 : Aren't two of the airlines ordering 787s charter outfits? BluePanorama and the First Choice? LOT seems logical but I did not know Finnair is looking.
35 DfwRevolution : Pleanty of charter carriers order new aircraft. Heck, the second customer for the 787 was First Choice/Blue Panorama The 787-300/800 is one hell of a
36 UA777222 : Is it possible for the 900X? Or is that not even off the ground yet. There were talks that this could be approved and cert. in less than a year... Onl
37 OzGlobal : Who Is Boeing's "Mystery Customer"? A European-based mystery customer? I know, he lives just down the street: The American defense attaché.
38 Post contains images PM : Of course we are all entitled to express opinions (it's mostly all we can do ) but "They [KLM] love the T777." sounds like something based on facts r
39 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : No PM there isn't though the way I read it, it was just a bloke expressing what he'd like to see. I guess the follow on order for 2 772ER late last y
40 Post contains images PM : Me too which is why I'd like to see some evidence. (Not that I'm doubting in any way that KLM would be not be perfectly happy with their 777s.) But o
41 Post contains images Morvious : I already danced two round around my chair!! That would really be awesome. Especially in the new colors
42 B707Stu : Finnair seems a smart pick. THe MD-11 HEL-JFK service is getting old and the 787 would give them, given my guess, repeat, my guess, at interior US tra
43 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : Well here's a fact we can both use. It wasn't KLM on the 777 given they just leased 2 more via ILFC. So, he at least got what he wanted, more 777s at
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