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It's Offically Happened...FAA Limits Planes @ FLL  
User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10146 times:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...997.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

The Federal Aviation Administration has limited the number of planes allowed to land each hour at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport and may expand the use of two secondary runways because of concern about increasing travel delays.

In January and February, almost a third of the 12,000 commercial flights into Fort Lauderdale arrived late. Among the nation's 33 busiest airports, only Atlanta, Boston, Newark, Chicago's O'Hare and New York's LaGuardia posted worse on-time performance records during those months.

To meet the demand, FAA officials have told the airport that they want to remove longtime flight restrictions so small jets can use the south runway and both commercial airliners and private jets can use the crosswind runway. Only propeller planes currently use the south runway, and the crosswind strip is open only during emergencies.


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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

Thats a bummer, FLL is one of my favorite airports to shoot over to.

User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10009 times:

Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):
To meet the demand, FAA officials have told the airport that they want to remove longtime flight restrictions so small jets can use the south runway and both commercial airliners and private jets can use the crosswind runway. Only propeller planes currently use the south runway, and the crosswind strip is open only during emergencies.

Not sure if this is a good thing or not  boggled 

Hawk44



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9995 times:

The only answer is to ban any aircraft with less than 170 seats..Just tell the no, you cannot land here with these puny aircraft, go somewhere else. Song employees will monitor this ban for the FAA free of charge..JMHO.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32699 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

One of the main reasons why jetBlue is coming to MIA in less than nine months...


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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9841 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
One of the main reasons why jetBlue is coming to MIA in less than nine months...

Not doubting you or nothing as your usually correct about 95% of the time, but have you gotten conformation on this? The few people I know over at B6 have not heard anything internally.


Hawk44



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32699 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 5):

Not doubting you or nothing as your usually correct about 95% of the time, but have you gotten conformation on this? The few people I know over at B6 have not heard anything internally.

Nothing is ever confirmed until it is made public, but MIA and jetBlue have been talking. jetBlue's tentative plans for MIA are to start with at least ten daily flights to at least three cities - most likely JFK, BOS, and LGB. They are also tossing around starting flights to about half a dozen other cities, including San Diego and DC, and possibly EMB service to smaller markets. The target date is January 2006. I would guess they may land sooner...late October 2005.

The fact is that jetBlue would perfer to create their South Florida focus city out of FLL, but can't due to FLL's congestion and space limitations. MIA is not congested at all, and has plenty of space to offer jetBlue.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 3):
The only answer is to ban any aircraft with less than 170 seats..Just tell the no, you cannot land here with these puny aircraft, go somewhere else. Song employees will monitor this ban for the FAA free of charge..JMHO.

THAT'S an awfully arbitrary number...basically, what you are saying is that nothing smaller than a 757 should be allowed into FLL (Spirit's 321's have more than 170 seats, however, US Airways' 321's have 169)...in my opinion, how about putting that baseline at, say, 100 seats...(to be honest, with the High-Density restrictions being put in place in Fort Lauderdale, I can't really see jetBlue operating many E190's into Fort Lauderdale)



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

I thought reply 3 was made by a 10 year old but oops it wasn't. Sorry, not trying to offend anyone.

What's the problem with using runway 13/31? After the repaving was completed one day I was there and for a space of about 2 hours arrivals were using both 9L and 13. Even saw some 757s that landed on 13. So why can't, for example aircraft that are lightly loaded whatever size don't just use 13?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9679 times:

They don't need to exapnd the use of 09R/27L, they have to expand the whole runway! Ok, the neighbors will b!tch about it, but NIMBYs always do that. It is not as if ERJs or CRJs are noise monsters. The ERJ could easily use 09R/27L already (at least lenght-wise) because they have the necessary take-off performance. Same can of course be said for all GA and prop traffic. Opening the south runway and allow for parallel operations, which could very well reduce delays, without issuing a flight number limit.
Also, I don't see a big problem with using the crosswind runway, there are other airports around the world where it is also done.
Allowing only planes with a minimum seat number would effectively kill a lot of the routes out of FLL. Delta for example would have to give up essentially all DCI routes, except maybe RDU, and the same goes for US. That would only be a major advantage for AA at MIA, with their proposed Eagle buildup.


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9636 times:
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Don't mind padcrasher... he's just trying to get song the competitive edge over jetBlue wherever possible-- here's an idea, padcrasher: give up.

On that note, I do think jetBlue will shift some ops to MIA... it makes sense, as they get a great deal of traffic from there.

JBLU


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9538 times:

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 10):
Don't mind padcrasher... he's just trying to get song the competitive edge over jetBlue wherever possible-- here's an idea, padcrasher: give up.

lol he is a she

Thats why I think women belong in the kitchen


FLL needs to expand that south runway, However on one side there's I-95, on the other there's the railroad so.. while they do that, give some use to that runway 13.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9525 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 11):
Thats why I think women belong in the kitchen

What's this? Little House on the Praire? Are we in the wild wild west or something? Surely this isn't 21st century way of thinking? If that is truely your thinking, then someone belong back on the wagon trail with the natives chasing/scalping him/her... in the middle of a shootout in front of the saloon.. Yippie Kai-ah..



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9451 times:

Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):
Only propeller planes currently use the south runway

Not true anymore. They removed that restriction recently (See A/FD). I even verified it with my own two eyes a few weeks ago when I witnessed a Citation and a Lear departing from it.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7517 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9425 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 7):
Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 3):
The only answer is to ban any aircraft with less than 170 seats..Just tell the no, you cannot land here with these puny aircraft, go somewhere else. Song employees will monitor this ban for the FAA free of charge..JMHO.

THAT'S an awfully arbitrary number...basically, what you are saying is that nothing smaller than a 757 should be allowed into FLL (Spirit's 321's have more than 170 seats, however, US Airways' 321's have 169)...in my opinion, how about putting that baseline at, say, 100 seats...(to be honest, with the High-Density restrictions being put in place in Fort Lauderdale, I can't really see jetBlue operating many E190's into Fort Lauderdale)

Padcrasher, I have to agree with SHUPirate1 on this. Your 170 seat minimum would knock FL and WN out of FLL because they don't fly anything larger than a 737; to their credit they don't fly anything smaller than a 117-seat 717 (FL). It sounds like the culprit of the traffic problem is the 40-70 seat rjs; most if not all of them at FLL are operated by the legacy carriers. Any truth to that?

As with ORD a few months ago, the cause of the plane traffic surge at FLL could very well be due to these particular carriers using these rjs at a greater frequency than the other carriers that only use mainline planes.

[Edited 2005-04-07 14:44:57]


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 3):
The only answer is to ban any aircraft with less than 170 seats..Just tell the no, you cannot land here with these puny aircraft, go somewhere else. Song employees will monitor this ban for the FAA free of charge..JMHO.

Utterly brilliant.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 11):
Thats why I think women belong in the kitchen

Even more brilliant. What time's your flight back to Brunei?



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

Padcrasher, I really like your idea too. I had no idea demand on these routes to FLL was this great. So the smallest aircraft at FLL could be a 757....is it possible the A380 could come to FLL? I'm just sayng, if demand is 170 passengers at least....I see FLL as being a great candidate for the A380...but I am only basing this on opinion. Can somebody support or argue against this idea just for my education?


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

Quoting Thrust (Reply 16):
Can somebody support or argue against this idea just for my education?

Yes. Putting a seat restriction simply restricts business. Let's help all the airlines with their financial burdens even more.


I'm sure taking this idea to:

County Government
Airport Authority
Chamber of Commerce
Florida State Legislature
The local convention & visitors bureau
Tourism Councils
All the tourist-generated industry & business in the area (especially mini golf)
The airlines themselves


They'll give you all the rest you need to hear.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32699 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9167 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
It sounds like the culprit of the traffic problem is the 40-70 seat rjs; most if not all of them at FLL are operated by the legacy carriers. Any truth to that?

There are very few RJ flights to FLL. It wasn't until two years ago that FLL even saw ten daily RJ flights. Delta Connection operates about 35 daily RJ flights thanks to a recently huge RJ build-up that added 12 destinations from FLL, US Airways Express operates four daily RJ flights, and Northwest Airlink has a seasonal extra daily flight to Memphis that is an RJ. That's it.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

No question FLL has a capacity issue. My understanding is also that the taxiways are limited in terms of bottlenecking and flow, particularly (and someone correct me please because I'm pulling this from memory) around the end of the terminal where CO/3M/B6 is.

There is a pinchpoint there that has impact on both 9l and 27R depending on volume. And the local FAA ATC wonks won't go to LAHSO operations either with 13/31.

There is capacity there, but the small plane issue is a thorny one. EAA, AOPA, etc are all advocates of keeping in open, but the proliferation of bizjets is a concern, esp when they don't have holding fuel for ATC issues like the larger Part 121 carriers.

FLL is just a mess right now.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

MAH--

What about the props?



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

Will FLL become slot controlled?

Is there another airport between MIA and FLL that could become commercial ready?



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32699 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9057 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):

Is there another airport between MIA and FLL that could become commercial ready?

OPF, but there is no point. MIA is more than capable of handling extra capacity. It is under capacity and one of the most uncongested major airports in the country.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9028 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
It is under capacity and one of the most uncongested major airports in the country.

It's also close to being one of the most expensive, isn't it.. so finding another airport that doesn't charge half the fees that MIA does would be beneficial. Plus, finding an airport that isn't dominated by a single airline would also be helpful. So perhaps OPF will become the new BUR, ONT, LGB, SNA of S. Florida.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

MAH--

What about the props?



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25 MAH4546 : MIA, pending approval, will soon be offering a first year incentive program. Regardless of being expensive, it is one of the highest yielding airport
26 ERJ170 : What would be the likely turns of those programs.. will the airline be required to remain a certain amount of time? How long until the MIA bonds or w
27 UN_B732 : Why not just have the NIMBys let them build another runway? I mean geezz..Your fare rise, not mine! -Mr. X
28 MAH4546 : Unlikely. They will simply get incentives for the first year of service, just like FLL does. MIA fees aren't going to get lower. While the media love
29 PHLBOS : AA hub-dominance at MIA is one of the main reasons why LCCs deliberately chose FLL. Worth noting, FL presently offers ATL-MIA service; if they can't
30 ATLgaUSA : General Aviation aircraft in the U.S. are required to have 45 minutes extra fuel available for diversions/holding. Most business jets operate under N
31 Slider : For IFR flight plans perhaps, but FLL has a boatload of GA prop and recreational A/C. ATC in turn gets them on the deck. Most SEL pilots fuel their p
32 TedTAce : I would love it if FLL was forced to effectively close to commercial traffic, and make Broward create a whole new Airport from scratch, WSW of the 75/
33 USAFHummer : I'd love it, as it would make my trips to South Florida a bit more convenient, as well as spotting visits, but theres no way that will ever happen, s
34 ScottB : Short-term incentives are nice for airlines that don't plan much more than six months in advance, but the decision on whether to enter a market shoul
35 Galapagapop : Now will this be the end of all B6 expansion at FLL, no, but this decision will likely push B6 to move new ops to MIA, but I feel thats the better dec
36 MAH4546 : It is pretty well known, I didn't see the need to mention it. The actual split, however, is 64.6% FLL/34.4% MIA, which is slightly less than two time
37 ScottB : As of 2004Q3, DOT reported 1.403 million domestic O&D passengers for MIA in all markets with >20 daily passengers. The comparable figure for FLL was
38 MAH4546 : The data I was using came from last week's Miami Herald. I'm not doubting your numbers are right, I'm sure they are. Because the fare classes are sol
39 ScottB : I'm not looking at what's available for booking, I'm looking at published fares. AA's current lowest published fare for MIA-BOS in SABRE is $178. The
40 Lowecur : Fort Lauderdale Executive has a 6000' strip that is easily expandable to 9000. They have plenty of G4 & G5 operations, had private 727s use the field,
41 Hawk44 : What does NIMBY stand for? Hawk44
42 ERJ170 : N = Not I = In M = My B = Back Y = Yard
43 Post contains images MIASkies : The design of FLL is nice? last time I flew out of FLL on AA!! it was dump! I hated it. Dirty terminal and claustrophobic ticketing area...all the tic
44 Behramjee : Airlines such as Jet Blue, Southwest, Air Tran and Spirit are the lifeblood of FLL Airport and they cannot afford to let go of these airlines just bec
45 Post contains images Padcrasher : OK ok 170 is a little harsh. How bout 157 seats and above only?
46 ERJ170 : I say make it 100 seats or more.. that will encompass everything from the E90 and up..
47 Adrianw : How many seats are in the A320's B6 uses?
48 Post contains images KFLLCFII : How about I can fly a damn 172 in and out of there whenever I feel like it!!!
49 SHUPirate1 : Adrianw-156...Padcrasher is just attempting to do anything to keep jetBlue out...next thing we know, she's going to propose an exemption for everythin
50 Hawk44 : I think padcrasher is a she. Pad what's your beef with B6? Hawk44
51 DeltaMIA : You can. Nothing is restricting 172 ops. 9R/27L is open for you. It is humorous how many heads that flew over and how many people are taking it serio
52 Padcrasher : Brother, can't you guys take a joke? ....Song employees monitoring the ban?
53 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : ERJ170, I should've been more specific "some women" MAH is actually spot on correct on this one. FLL doesn't get as many regional jet traffic as you'd
54 Post contains links Lowecur : The extension. 9R would be closed while under construction. The third option down on the chart is leading the pack (almost 9000'). There are some pro
55 MAH4546 : Incentive programs have worked very well for other airports, especially FLL, perhaps the king of incentive programs. They give them out like flyers -
56 DB777 : For the OPF suggestees above: the Miami-Dade county commission passed an ordinance several years ago that prohibits the Aviation Department from spend
57 MIAMIx707 : My own bad! I meant north of 9L. Thanks for the link Lowecur, I didn't know about the new proposed diagonal runway. MAH4546 thanks for the details. I
58 MAH4546 : They want to start service by the end of 2006. Three times weekly to Jo'Burg via Cape Town. IMO, that is a realistic timetable for an airline in good
59 MAH4546 : Correction...they are, every Friday, GEO-FLL-JFK-FLL-GEO. They are no longer listing any flights in Amadeus.
60 FLAIRPORT : I support the incentives...jetBlue could take advantage of them and they are the only LCC I could see as a possible competetor to AA. Also, I'm going
61 AirframeAS : Ouch! I wouldnt want to go that far. I would watch my tail when it comes to women, ya know...... Be nice to her, alright?! You never know what you ar
62 MAH4546 : They could if they wanted to. They would the same day they start flying to LaGuardia, Denver, and Regan with their own aircraft. Southwest has a terr
63 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I think if B6 started flights to MIA they can be profitable and enable them to grow more in S.Florida. I think if AA has such a large presence in MIA
64 FLAIRPORT : Yes, but on those intra-Florida routes they are almost always close to 100% full. Would be interesting to see how many of their intra-Florida passeng
65 MAH4546 : I truly doubt they run 100% full often. The average load factor is most likely in the mid-60s. Those flights are popular with local travlers. That is
66 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I have flown FLL-TPA and it was about 80% full but that was on DEC 30 in peak season so I don't know what it regularly is. FLL area has businessmen bu
67 Hawk44 : When I used to fly WN to MCO at all times of the day it was really a crap shoot, sometimes the flights would be overbooked and then sometimes you cou
68 TedTAce : The Airport itself might look good but Lejune Rd is still, and will always be a $hithole, and 112 is about as safe for tourists as a minefield. Oh le
69 FLAIRPORT : Ok, but my point is true for Broward County businessmen Keep in mind, gates B6, B7, B8, and B9 are common use. jetBlue (using proper name not to conf
70 Armada : His statement wasn't true, but it was not absurd. Only 77% of Broward-based workers actually work in Broward county, by far the lowest rate of the th
71 Armada : Xenophobic remarks aside.... Creating a 4th commercial airport (like OPF) to serve Metro Miami is almost as stupid as FLL's proposal for a parallel n
72 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : OPF is not a good idea but of you look at a map of it it is the same set up as FLL, The long runway on the north end, the crosswind runway and a small
73 Lowecur : Here's some info on the gate ownership at FLL. Dear Mr. Lowecur, Our Business Division has supplied the following response to your inquiry: Gate are l
74 Armada : FLL is not one of their biggest cities, but they are still the 2nd largest airline that operates there.
75 DeltaMIA : Actually 3rd. DL boards around 3.8 million per year. AA came in around 2.7 million and WN is around 2.4 million.
76 Armada : FLL still has an advantage of easier access (and a more centralized metro location) from major highways that OPF would never have.[Edited 2005-04-10
77 DB777 : That 115,000 seems ridiculously low when you see the southbound traffic from western Broward every morning taking I-75 or the Turnpike Extension sout
78 AJBUS300 : I think it is an excellent thing. I dont want FLL to become another MIA. I love flying out of FLL because it is not too busy like MIA. I mean, MIA is
79 Hawk44 : Sorry about that I should have just said jetblue. It might have just seamed like WN had a lot of gates because of their A,B,C, cattle lines all over
80 Lehpron : Hopefully now people can see what kind of trouble frequency in the long run can cause.
81 MAH4546 : Third, as mentioned. However, it is because of terminating traffic, not originating traffic. Southwest has very weak local O&D at FLL, and PBI.
82 Armada : These limits cause the airport and airlines at the airport to lose money, so I would imagine that these restrictions will not be all that permanent.
83 MAH4546 : FLL is more congested, more crowded, and more delay prone than MIA.
84 Armada : Well third, yea, as of 2004. The gap was about 100,000, according to the county, between the two airlines at the end of last year. I'd say it is a sa
85 MAH4546 : Considering Delta has added nearly 20 daily departures to FLL in the past six months, while Southwest has reduced service, I truly doubt it. This sum
86 Armada : That 115,000 figure was the from the census website in 2003. I would agree with you that the figure is (probably significantly) higher. Hopefully, th
87 DB777 : I've never seen that to be true in my travels from FLL so it must depend on time of day, day of week, terminal used, or something. The last time (Feb
88 DeltaMIA : WOW. I would take you up on that bet. DL will eclipse 4 million in FLL in 2005. WN will likely hit the 2.5 million mark. That's true at any airport.
89 Armada : DL's growth at FLL has been stagnant while WN's growth is in the 13% range yearly. I don't see anything changing that, including DL's expanded servic
90 MAH4546 : I don't have a link, but there was a Sun-Sentinel article about six months ago highlighting the security checkpoint delays that are all too common at
91 DB777 : I'm not disputing the flight delays and it makes sense since FLL only has one jet runway and MIA has four. AA's switch to a rolling hub at MIA has als
92 Armada : I think people are losing site of that fact that even if MIA has less delays than FLL, all that is negated in GETTING to the airport. FLL is simply be
93 MAH4546 : MSNBC, 16 Worst Airports for Security Checkpoint Lines, November 2004: 1) Fort Lauderdale: Maximum wait time 63 minutes. Worst time for lines: Thursd
94 Hawk44 : I see it all the time unfortunately and I know people miss their flights all the time because they don't plan for the delays at security. Timing is e
95 DAL767400ER : Interesting you still believe that despite the fact that that data has been proven wrong. Let's see, in the past 6 months, Delta has added 2 addition
96 MIAMIx707 : I really don't think so, unless they're using an american carrier for their flights which I very much doubt. Apparently the last time they flew to FL
97 DB777 : I wonder where MSNBC got their facts on that one? From the TSA? Perhaps they should check with the airlines or the airport because the alleged 45 min
98 MAH4546 : Plus new 2x daily service to Birmingham, Greensboro, Pensacola, and Louisville. Yes, the numbers came straight from the TSA. It is well published in
99 Post contains links Armada : Unless the county is lying... http://www.broward.org/airport/avi03900.htm
100 MAH4546 : " target=_blank>http://www.broward.org/airport/avi03...0.htm Those are figures for 2004. Delta's huge increase in flight operates at FLL starts on 1 D
101 Armada : That's right....and like I said, if the trend holds true - and there is nothing that says it won't, WN will probably be on top at the end of 2005. P'
102 MAH4546 : Again, the trends won't continue. For the third time... Southwest now operates less flights from FLL then it was in 2004 (IIRC, 6 less daily flights)
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