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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Well the TT government has given BW another loan. This continue to stop gap measures that the government has been using since the departure of Conrad Aleon as CEO. This loan in excess of 200 million would see the bulk of it going to pay creditors while the rest will be used for day to day operations.

This loan has been given with conditions:
The airline has to cooperate a cabinate sub committee headed by a local business magnet Aurthur Lop Jack. The committee is to evaluate the 3 following options for BWIA

1)The consequences of shutting down the airline and wheather other carriers can fill the void.Note that SH&E consulting firm in a report submitted to the TT government stated that the country will loose significant airlift if the airline is shut down

2)Shutting down the airline and starting afresh. Should government have a 100% stake or partially invest in the airline.

3)Restructuring.

As for the conidtions
The airline is to freeze recuritment of staff on the management level (I think this refers to the CEO job)

Discontinue the MAN route which would include Belfast and Glasgow, Curaco, Dominican Republic, Cuba.

The airline is to have a dialy jet service on the Caracas route.


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=71182590

Now here is MHO

Shutting down of BWIA would be a severe blow to Trinidad and Barbados not to mention the rest of the eastern caribbean.

It is all nice and good to say lets shut down BWIA and form a new carrier but that carrier will fail if the current mentality remains the same.

I think that BWIA should remain a full service carrier. The restructuring should not only focus on the finances of the airline but the airline's employees. At the end of this process BWIA will be seeking to become the airline of choice when it comes to travelling to and from the caribbean. I think that the airline should look to join one of the global airline alliances but.


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User currently offlineAlcregular From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Thats a shame, since the PIK route is less than a month old. Does anyone know how this leg of the route is doing?

User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

I am amazed that BW can't make their recent services to MAN, PIK and BFS work! I am in Barbados at the moment and the place is crawling with Brits.

I think that Beewee need to get their marketing sorted out.
A lot of people here seem to think the BWIA actually stands for, "But Will It Arrive?"


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

BWIA once again - the decline continues. The 3 options have thus been posed by the Government for the now State-owned carrier. No shut-down of the airline is really acceptable as such an action could make it next to impossible to restart properly. If BW closed down completely POS would lose more than 60% of its airlift capacity and it is doubtful whether international airlines could fill the void. AA and CO would probably increase their flights into POS and US Airways would then take the opportunity to enter the market so the US market would be entirely the province of American carriers. As for Canada AC may increase flights and the smaller airlines like Zoom and SkyService would have a field day. The UK flights however pose a different problem - BW is alone on these services. Would BA be tempted to return - or even KL? BA seems happy enough flying from TAB (from where VS also operates) so it would mean POS pax heading to London would need to transit TAB - quite a far cry from the old days when TAB pax had to change in POS to go virtually anywhere. The regional services would also be badly impacted by a BW closure - remember that BW is not only the main carrier to POS but also to BGI, ANU and particularly GEO. Who would take over the POS - BGI - KIN flights? JM is not in any state to do so and such a marginal but critically important route is unlikely to attract an external carrier.

So perhaps the best option is to trim the services. One must note that BW only served SJC, HAV and SDQ on the request of the Government in the first place (as part of their campaign to land the ACS capital in Port of Spain) so it seems ironic that they are now telling them to stop the flights. In any case those were always very marginal routes which were always available by connecting (eg POS - MIA - SJC by AA). The MAN, BFS and PIK services see the full-service BW try on the role of a holiday charter airline without success - charter airlines have a smaller cost base and can serve such routes more easily. BW must once again focus on its core markets (O&D to the region and also the tourist market from LHR, its biggest route) and advertise more.

TrintoCan.



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2948 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting Cambrian (Reply 2):
I am amazed that BW can't make their recent services to MAN, PIK and BFS work!

It's not really the fact that they aren't making the route work.

It's quite simply that to save cash, they are returning the ex-Virgin machine 9Y-JIL.

Now, as an armchair CEOs., would you give up MAN, PIK and BFS, or let go of the slots and prestige associated with service to LHR...... tricky one, NOT.  Silly

Additionally, would the service have prospered with my old colleagues at BMI muscling in on the MAN- Carribean now, and our own outfit starting up services this autumn? I have my doubts.

Regards

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 4):
It's quite simply that to save cash, they are returning the ex-Virgin machine 9Y-JIL.

If that is the reason BW would have returned JIL months ago as the aircraft lease would be up by June of this year anway.


Trintocan
BW really needs to advertise more and it needs to bring its IFE on par with that of BA and VS (that is on the London route). Do you think that the airline should look at a return to mainland Europe??

Cambrian
Hope you are enjoying your stay in BGI.



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2948 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 5):
If that is the reason BW would have returned JIL months ago as the aircraft lease would be up by June of this year anway.

I was advised that the contract was so binding, BeeWee had to keep the aircraft until the conclusion of the lease arrangement; making a little money on a route was a better option than keeping it idle on the ground earning diddly squat.

If that wasn't the case, then I stand humbly corrected.  white 

Shamu



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineJJJM From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Tha´t means we will see BW B737 in CCS daily?????

They should have some POS-CCS flights with a stop in PMV.

Lost´s of trinis goes shopping to Margarita Island

JJJM


User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 5):
Hope you are enjoying your stay in BGI.

Thanks BWIA 772- I am having a great time in sunny St. Peter! Next week I am flying to SJU with American Eagle- sorry that I will be leaving your beautiful country, but I will stock up on the old Bajan Seasoning first.


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

IS GND so unprofitable to BW? They totally have us out of the schedule, I can't believe that. People stilll coming to buy BW tickets even if they have to fly up to BGI to get the connecting flight. It is a shame, to see what BW was here in GND once... they went from

- Daily flights to MIA and JFK, weekly flights to FRA
- Daily flights to JFK, couple times a week to MIA
- Couple times a week to JFK
- Nothing
- Four daily flights to POS BW Express, seasonal JFK flights
- Three daily flights to POS BW Express, seasonal JFK Flights
- Two daily flights to POS, seasonal JFK flights
- Two daily flights to POS

Guess where we are now? Yep, since they can't use Tobago Express aircraft we have no flights..


Whatever.. BW..I hope they get their business sorted out..



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

(1) POS>HAV, SJO, SDQ were bound to be financial failures if BWIA didn't have the connecting flights from BRAZIL (mainly GRU but GIG, SSA, BEL, FOR, MAO may have done OK) or even from ARGENTINA (EZE),
(2) those UK>TT flights sure don't generate enough pax to HAV, SJO, SDQ when there are better options for pax travelling UK to those destinations, and
(3) Who would like to fly CCS>POS >HAV/SJO/SDQ ?
I think BWIA will never really come back to life if they don't start to find northbound passengers from T&T huge southern neighbour - Brazil - to fill up their flights.



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2787 times:
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Bwee direct flights form Manchester are BACK on sale through May !
Does this mean back to the wet lease in of Spanish/Potuguese capacity to cover ?
Also since it was reported as far back as February that one of the Bwee 340's would be going to Air Canada for the summer are we supposed to be surprised that JIL is leaving now well NO !
The thing that make me laugh is that Air Canada will be getting an aircraft that may differ from the rest of their fleet whilst Bwee holds onto an ex Air Canada aircraft !


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Rutankrd

I thought that it was JM first A340 6Y JMC that was going back to AC.



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

My apologies - I quoted the wrong code for San Jose, Costa Rica - it should be SJO and not SJC. As for GND that has been a bit of a tricky route for BW. The flight from POS is short (just 25 minutes or so) so the Dash 8s are more cost-effective than jets on a regular basis. When BWee Express was started back in 1999 it took over BW's services to Grenada with 3 daily services as well as a GND-BGI link. The trouble was that LI has traditionally been a major player on the route and was unhappy that its supposed partner airline was competing so aggressively on its Island routes. Additionally Caribbean Star started up services to POS in 2000 further adding to the competition. BW withdrew its Express services in 2001 after agreeing to closer co-operation with LI, allowing the latter to take up the services.

Later on BW resumed GND flights with a link to MIA and co-opted Tobago Express to do some POS-GND flights too but TB was barred from international flights last year by the T&T Government who was concerned that the charters were affecting TB's ability to handle the domestic route. In fact the POS-TAB traffic has grown considerably and with repeated lack of seats on the route BW was forced to lease in various planes to help out the sector.

It seems very unfortunate that the smaller Islands always end up the big losers when the airlines cut back services but, until there is true regional co-operation for air services, this situation will continue to occur.

As for a resumption of Continental European services, BW will have the catch-22 of not having enough planes to do so - 1 A340 cannot handle more than the LHR services. Wet leases will be needed to do so. Such a resumption may be helpful but they will need more planes and definitely more advertising.

TrintoCan.



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

According to a post on caribbeanalpa.com BW is going to retain 9Y JIL. If this is the case one does hope that TT gets FAA CAT one status by the Christmas so that we can avoid the disaster of last X mas 2004.

http://www.caribbeanalpa.com/cgi-bin...G=1343339373&zu=3134333937&v=2&gV=



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