EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7171 posts, RR: 45 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4091 times:
This is very good news. I hope JJ's expansion plans continue since they are a world-class airline and they deserve to succeed.
A few weeks ago, in the wake of the termination of the JJ-AF partnership, some posts in a.net suggested that the codeshare with AA might also be terminated. The news posted by Rafa seems to indicate that this is not the case. Can anyone confirm that the JJ-AA relationship is moving forward?
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4066 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2): Can anyone confirm that the JJ-AA relationship is moving forward?
We will have to wait for more precise information. It will depen on how the codeshare AA-JJ (for the new JJ flight GRU-JFK) will unfold. AA did not allow a codeshare for the second daily GRU-MIA JJ-operated flight. So there is some tension between both airlines.
It was indeed reported that JJ would terminate its codeshare with AA, the same way it did with AF and RG. However, there are also indications on the contrary, that JJ-AA cooperation is in fact improving. If JJ gets closer to AA you can be sure that JJ will be the next airline in OW. Although I myself would prefer to see JJ as part of Sky.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3706 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6): Actually, JJ leased some of its A332's to Etihad, so it may be one of those, rejoining the JJ fleet.
You're correct. I think Etihad had about 3 ex-JJ leased A332s which are now being returned to JJ. Interesting fact about the lease is that the JJ A332s were leased to Etihad with pilots and crew included (they had to do an intensive course on Arab language, culture and customs)!
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 7): Is TAM using the A330 in ETIHAD colors for its Miami flight too or is it just waiting to get rapainted back into TAM colors?
They are waitig to get repainted into TAM colours. BTW, it would be great if TAM could change is livery....
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3628 times:
Quoting Pualani (Reply 5): I was in Sao Paulo GRU the other day and I saw a A330 with Etihad markings parked on the ramp. Is this a future aircraft for JJ ?
I wish I could go there and see it...
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8): Interesting fact about the lease is that the JJ A332s were leased to Etihad with pilots and crew included (they had to do an intensive course on Arab language, culture and customs)!
Called a "wet-lease"
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
Glennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3472 times:
Excellent news,I flew MIA GRU yesterday with JJ and it was absolutely brilliant
(watch out for trip report soon with pics).
Also yesterday one of the stewards told me that the wet lease of 3 x 330-200s from JJ to Etihad was a great experience for jj staff involved,JJ and/or Etihad paid for relocation/housing etc.
Once more I can only say "TAM",you are a truly fantastic airline.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3415 times:
Quoting AR1300 (Reply 12): apan Airlines flies to JFK from GRU?!!!!!What the heck?
Why the surprise? Sao Paulo has the biggest Japanese population outside Japan, something about 5 million Japanese live in Sao Paulo. There is also a substantive population of Brazilian-Japanese (second and third generation) living in Japan.
VARIG flies to Japan for more than 40 years now. The complete itinerary of JAL's flight is NRT-JFK-GRU. RG flies NRT-LAX-GRU-GIG 4 x week. Many airlines operating in Brazil rely on high-yielding traffic Brazil-Japan, such as AC and LX.
Quoting Glennpower (Reply 11): I flew MIA GRU yesterday with JJ and it was absolutely brilliant
I hope TAM keeps its international expansion.
Quoting Glennpower (Reply 11): the wet lease of 3 x 330-200s from JJ to Etihad was a great experience for jj staff involved,JJ and/or Etihad paid for relocation/housing etc.
No wonder: they got top quality JJ crew and pilots.
Brasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3372 times:
A bit off topic... But haven't JJ ever considered ordering A340s? They would be quite suitable in their CDG flights, for instance, which are underserviced. Also, they can surely fill more than 213 (A330) seats to NYC daily.
BTW, some JJ staff have complained about lots of JJ overbooked flights within Brazil, mainly BSB, where most of pax are connecting pax. They suggested TAM to order some A321 as well.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3353 times:
Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 15): in the second semester JJ will increase its flights to CDG from 10 to 14 per week
This information is confirmed.
JJ will operate two daily flights GRU-CDG. The current France-Brazil bilateral is operating in its limit. Therefore, JJ will use 4 positions currently alocated to RG, which has been using them on the GIG-CDG route. RG dropped this route and the positions were then transfered to JJ.
This is the outlook for the France-Brazil market in the second semester:
CDG-GIG, daily AF B747
CDG-GRU, daily AF B777
CDG-GRU-POA, daily RG MD-11
CDg-GRU, 2 x daily, JJ A332
Glennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3322 times:
So if JJ will have 2 x daily GRU-CDG, 2 x daily GRU-MIA plus 1 x daily GRU-JFK
starting October (obviously planned with the arrival of JJs 10th 332-200).
That i think will use all 10 of there 332-200s,so if in fact they are going to start a service to FRA or anywhere else for that matter,where will they get the planes for this,how quick for example does it take to buy/lease planes.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3273 times:
Quoting Glennpower (Reply 18): So if JJ will have 2 x daily GRU-CDG, 2 x daily GRU-MIA plus 1 x daily GRU-JFK
starting October (obviously planned with the arrival of JJs 10th 332-200).
That i think will use all 10 of there 332-200s,
Nope. Their MIA service requires only two planes, because on of the flights is a daylight, so the plane turns around, instead of sitting all day.
Also, on a side note, MIA-GRU is 13x weekly. They also fly MIA-SSA 1x a week.
JJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3230 times:
JJ has 04 A332 flying to Ethyhad. PT-MVA / MVB / MVD and MVE.
The one that returned now was MVB.
Yes, it is true JJ is working hard to put JFK on the air in OCT.
And CDG flights will increase from 10 to 14/week. There is also a big chance that 02 flights of these aditional frequecies go to ZRH and other 02 go to SPL...this is no so sure because crew movimentation and aircraft rotation ans to get these planes back, they have to leave GRU earlier that now....so it might not work this time but the plans are alive!
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3214 times:
Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 21): There is also a big chance that 02 flights of these aditional frequecies go to ZRH and other 02 go to SPL...t
When you write SPL you mean AMS = Schiphol Airport, Amsterdam, correct?
It would be completely G-R-E-A-T to see TAM landing in AMS...
1) AMS is Europe's 4th most important hub, after CDG, LHR and FRA;
2) AMS is the hub of JJ partner airline KLM and could provide JJ will onward connections to North Europe, Asia, the Middle Aast and Africa;
3) AMS is a major cargo airport, especially for fresh edible products and car parts, in which Brazil is a top exporter;
4) AMS is home to one of the top five major foreign investors in Brazil: The Netherlands, ensuring a dense, high-yielding business flux of pax year-around;
5) AMS is less than 2h by train to two of the World's biggest ports: Rotterdam and Antwerp, which have a number of offices of Brazilian multinational companies, and major cargo lines to Santos;
6) AMS has a substantive Brazilian community, including the fact that it houses one of Brazil's major private banks (ABN AMRO - Banco Real), and the Dutch, although small in number, are ranked number 8 as foreign tourists in Brazil;
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3182 times:
Quoting Brasuca (Reply 23): Why not give a try to BRU that is not directly linked to Brazil nowadays or even LON
AMS is Europe's 4th biggest airport and could easily handle three airlines on the route Brazil-AMS.
[not to mention that currently there are another three charter airlines connecting AMS with Northeast Brazil, with an additional 7 weekly flights. This is testimony of the amount of pax flying between AMS in Brazil].
Moreover, JJ would use AMS more as connecting hub for onwards KLM flights, the same way it uses CDG with AF.
BRU: very small airport, no worldwide connection or major cargo demand;
LON: the only airport worth landing for JJ is LHR. There are not slots available.
AMS has all the conditions to get at least two weekly JJ flights. ZRH also could support JJ flights.
25 Brasuca: I have never flown this route before, but according to reviews on loads in RG CDG-AMS leg, this is not worthy if consider pax revenue in it, only car
26 Hardiwv: This because RG has no partnership with KLM, and AMS is mainly a connecting hub. Still, the business/first seats + cargo are enough to make the small
27 Brasuca: Now you beat me! KLM would outsell JJ's first class seats (only 7 each flight) to Brazil, as KL doesn't offer this service. How come JJ ended partner
28 Brasuca: I have found in airliners.net database that PT-MVB was flying with SAA. I never heard about this before. How come? PT-MVB: PT-MVD and PT-MVE:
29 Dellatorre: I don't think TAM shoud consider AMS as a potential EU destination. AMS just doesn't have enough traffic that would justify this move. TAM should defi
30 Glennpower: MAH4546, Thanks for the correction,(not forgetting when I said 14 x services MIA to GRU that included the weekly service with a stop in SSA). Hardiwv,
31 Brasuca: None of those destinations should be considered as the most important ones. ZHR: Not a good option at all! This niche market is mainly business pax i
32 Erikwilliam: The minute TAM joins OW I´ll trow my Varig card and my credit card that gives Varig FF miles out the window. Doesn´t matter how big U are, or how go
33 Brasuca: Brazilian's airlines have got the same number of frequencies to the US as American airlines have got to fly to Brazil. The problem is that American p
34 Erikwilliam: thx Don´t think JL counts, they´r not brazilian or american. The route is NRT-JFK-GRU, JFK is a scale, maybe if they get some 777lr, we´ll see NRT-
35 Brasuca: Opsss... B77LR could do this run, but with only about half of load and terribly weight-limited, yet with great possibilities that they'd need to refu
36 JJMNGR: Gents, The possibility of flying to AMS is real but still a possibility and this service would not be direct. The plans are to extend the 04 aditional
37 Erikwilliam: JJMNGR: is Tam getting a new agreement on the gates or U´ll use the one that Varig doesn´t use?? If it´s a new agreement, how many slots did Tam pu
38 Hardiwv: AMS is a market of great pontential, as I underlined above. It is a high-yielding market, suplemented by strong tourist demand. I would use the same