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TAM To Fly Non-stop To JFK In October  
User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

According to a report in www.panrotas.com.br JJ's vice president, said that preparations are almost ready for JJ to start daily non-stop service to New York in October05.

JJ already has the aircraft, a A330 will arrive in the beginning of second semester, and government approval.

He says that the schedules should be loaded up into the system in the next 30 days and a codeshare agreement with AA is already in negotiation, to operate similarly to their one to MIA.

This is great news for JJ to inaugurate a new destination in the US. I guess, the so rumored flight GIG-MIA by JJ will have to wait...

Rgs,

Neo

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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

This is excellent news for the Brazil-US market, yet another flight!

TAM will provide top quality product for pax flying JFK-GRU, and most certainly will sideline RG which already flies this route daily with the B777.

This is the current overview of NYC-Brazil:

RG B777 daily JFK-GRU-GIG
AA B777 daily JFK-GRU-GIG
CO B767 daily EWR-GRU
JL B747 3 x week JFK-GRU

Great news indeed!

It also shows that JJ is getting closer to AA and, therefore, to join OW.

Rgs,


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

This is very good news. I hope JJ's expansion plans continue since they are a world-class airline and they deserve to succeed.

A few weeks ago, in the wake of the termination of the JJ-AF partnership, some posts in a.net suggested that the codeshare with AA might also be terminated. The news posted by Rafa seems to indicate that this is not the case. Can anyone confirm that the JJ-AA relationship is moving forward?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting Neo (Thread starter):
This is great news for JJ to inaugurate a new destination in the US. I guess, the so rumored flight GIG-MIA by JJ will have to wait...

They have enough aircraft to operate both.



a.
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2):
Can anyone confirm that the JJ-AA relationship is moving forward?

We will have to wait for more precise information. It will depen on how the codeshare AA-JJ (for the new JJ flight GRU-JFK) will unfold. AA did not allow a codeshare for the second daily GRU-MIA JJ-operated flight. So there is some tension between both airlines.

It was indeed reported that JJ would terminate its codeshare with AA, the same way it did with AF and RG. However, there are also indications on the contrary, that JJ-AA cooperation is in fact improving. If JJ gets closer to AA you can be sure that JJ will be the next airline in OW. Although I myself would prefer to see JJ as part of Sky.

Rgs,


User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

I was in Sao Paulo GRU the other day and I saw a A330 with Etihad markings parked on the ramp. Is this a future aircraft for JJ ?



pualani


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

I am sure the Brazilian a.netters will know better, but I think it might be. Actually, JJ leased some of its A332's to Etihad, so it may be one of those, rejoining the JJ fleet.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Is TAM using the A330 in ETIHAD colors for its Miami flight too or is it just waiting to get rapainted back into TAM colors?

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6050 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Actually, JJ leased some of its A332's to Etihad, so it may be one of those, rejoining the JJ fleet.

You're correct. I think Etihad had about 3 ex-JJ leased A332s which are now being returned to JJ. Interesting fact about the lease is that the JJ A332s were leased to Etihad with pilots and crew included (they had to do an intensive course on Arab language, culture and customs)!

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 7):
Is TAM using the A330 in ETIHAD colors for its Miami flight too or is it just waiting to get rapainted back into TAM colors?

They are waitig to get repainted into TAM colours. BTW, it would be great if TAM could change is livery....

Rgs,


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

Quoting Pualani (Reply 5):
I was in Sao Paulo GRU the other day and I saw a A330 with Etihad markings parked on the ramp. Is this a future aircraft for JJ ?

I wish I could go there and see it...

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
Interesting fact about the lease is that the JJ A332s were leased to Etihad with pilots and crew included (they had to do an intensive course on Arab language, culture and customs)!

Called a "wet-lease"

Cheers,
PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
Called a "wet-lease"

Tks for the technical word.

BTW, I think we could also expect JJ to fly to CCS by the end of the year. The flight would originate in ASU with a stop-over in GRU (ASU-GRU-CCS).

And what about the plans for the LIM-GRU flight?

Rgs,


User currently offlineGlennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Excellent news,I flew MIA GRU yesterday with JJ and it was absolutely brilliant
(watch out for trip report soon with pics).
Also yesterday one of the stewards told me that the wet lease of 3 x 330-200s from JJ to Etihad was a great experience for jj staff involved,JJ and/or Etihad paid for relocation/housing etc.
Once more I can only say "TAM",you are a truly fantastic airline.
Well done.


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
JL B747 3 x week JFK-GRU

Japan Airlines flies to JFK from GRU?!!!!!What the heck?

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 12):
Japan Airlines flies to JFK from GRU?!!!!!What the heck?

They gotta stop somewhere, no? It's a 3X weekly service and it's acutally a little shorter through JFK than LAX, by like 100nm.

Cheers,
PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5759 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 12):
apan Airlines flies to JFK from GRU?!!!!!What the heck?

Why the surprise? Sao Paulo has the biggest Japanese population outside Japan, something about 5 million Japanese live in Sao Paulo. There is also a substantive population of Brazilian-Japanese (second and third generation) living in Japan.

VARIG flies to Japan for more than 40 years now. The complete itinerary of JAL's flight is NRT-JFK-GRU. RG flies NRT-LAX-GRU-GIG 4 x week. Many airlines operating in Brazil rely on high-yielding traffic Brazil-Japan, such as AC and LX.

Quoting Glennpower (Reply 11):
I flew MIA GRU yesterday with JJ and it was absolutely brilliant

I hope TAM keeps its international expansion.

Quoting Glennpower (Reply 11):
the wet lease of 3 x 330-200s from JJ to Etihad was a great experience for jj staff involved,JJ and/or Etihad paid for relocation/housing etc.

No wonder: they got top quality JJ crew and pilots.

Rgs,


User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Hey guys!

I read in a Brazilian newspaper yeterday that in the second semester JJ will increase its flights to CDG from 10 to 14 per week, that is, two daily flights.

Hugs,

EMB195ER


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

A bit off topic... But haven't JJ ever considered ordering A340s? They would be quite suitable in their CDG flights, for instance, which are underserviced. Also, they can surely fill more than 213 (A330) seats to NYC daily.

BTW, some JJ staff have complained about lots of JJ overbooked flights within Brazil, mainly BSB, where most of pax are connecting pax. They suggested TAM to order some A321 as well.  bigthumbsup 



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 15):
in the second semester JJ will increase its flights to CDG from 10 to 14 per week

This information is confirmed.

JJ will operate two daily flights GRU-CDG. The current France-Brazil bilateral is operating in its limit. Therefore, JJ will use 4 positions currently alocated to RG, which has been using them on the GIG-CDG route. RG dropped this route and the positions were then transfered to JJ.

This is the outlook for the France-Brazil market in the second semester:

CDG-GIG, daily AF B747
CDG-GRU, daily AF B777
CDG-GRU-POA, daily RG MD-11
CDg-GRU, 2 x daily, JJ A332

Total: 5 daily flights.

Rgs,

[Edited 2005-04-10 15:38:09]

User currently offlineGlennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

So if JJ will have 2 x daily GRU-CDG, 2 x daily GRU-MIA plus 1 x daily GRU-JFK
starting October (obviously planned with the arrival of JJs 10th 332-200).
That i think will use all 10 of there 332-200s,so if in fact they are going to start a service to FRA or anywhere else for that matter,where will they get the planes for this,how quick for example does it take to buy/lease planes.

Best wishes.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting Glennpower (Reply 18):
So if JJ will have 2 x daily GRU-CDG, 2 x daily GRU-MIA plus 1 x daily GRU-JFK
starting October (obviously planned with the arrival of JJs 10th 332-200).
That i think will use all 10 of there 332-200s,

Nope. Their MIA service requires only two planes, because on of the flights is a daylight, so the plane turns around, instead of sitting all day.

Also, on a side note, MIA-GRU is 13x weekly. They also fly MIA-SSA 1x a week.



a.
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Also, on a side note, MIA-GRU is 13x weekly. They also fly MIA-SSA 1x a week.

JJ flies MIA-GRU 13 x week and 1 x week (Saturdays) MIA-SSA-GRU.

Rgs,


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Some observations:

JJ has 04 A332 flying to Ethyhad. PT-MVA / MVB / MVD and MVE.

The one that returned now was MVB.

Yes, it is true JJ is working hard to put JFK on the air in OCT.

And CDG flights will increase from 10 to 14/week. There is also a big chance that 02 flights of these aditional frequecies go to ZRH and other 02 go to SPL...this is no so sure because crew movimentation and aircraft rotation ans to get these planes back, they have to leave GRU earlier that now....so it might not work this time but the plans are alive!


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 21):
There is also a big chance that 02 flights of these aditional frequecies go to ZRH and other 02 go to SPL...t

When you write SPL you mean AMS = Schiphol Airport, Amsterdam, correct?

It would be completely G-R-E-A-T to see TAM landing in AMS...

1) AMS is Europe's 4th most important hub, after CDG, LHR and FRA;
2) AMS is the hub of JJ partner airline KLM and could provide JJ will onward connections to North Europe, Asia, the Middle Aast and Africa;
3) AMS is a major cargo airport, especially for fresh edible products and car parts, in which Brazil is a top exporter;
4) AMS is home to one of the top five major foreign investors in Brazil: The Netherlands, ensuring a dense, high-yielding business flux of pax year-around;
5) AMS is less than 2h by train to two of the World's biggest ports: Rotterdam and Antwerp, which have a number of offices of Brazilian multinational companies, and major cargo lines to Santos;
6) AMS has a substantive Brazilian community, including the fact that it houses one of Brazil's major private banks (ABN AMRO - Banco Real), and the Dutch, although small in number, are ranked number 8 as foreign tourists in Brazil;

JJ in AMS; I hope this dream could come true!

Hardi


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 21):
is also a big chance that 02 flights of these aditional frequecies go to ZRH and other 02 go to SPL

Three different airlines connecting Brazil to Amsterdam? There isn't enough pax demand that justifies it, and AFAIK A330 is average regarding Cargo capacity (Correct me if I'm wrong).

Why not give a try to BRU that is not directly linked to Brazil nowadays or even LON, foreseeing a future direct non-stop flight?

 twocents 



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 23):
Why not give a try to BRU that is not directly linked to Brazil nowadays or even LON

AMS is Europe's 4th biggest airport and could easily handle three airlines on the route Brazil-AMS.

[not to mention that currently there are another three charter airlines connecting AMS with Northeast Brazil, with an additional 7 weekly flights. This is testimony of the amount of pax flying between AMS in Brazil].

Moreover, JJ would use AMS more as connecting hub for onwards KLM flights, the same way it uses CDG with AF.

BRU: very small airport, no worldwide connection or major cargo demand;
LON: the only airport worth landing for JJ is LHR. There are not slots available.

AMS has all the conditions to get at least two weekly JJ flights. ZRH also could support JJ flights.

Rgs,


25 Brasuca : I have never flown this route before, but according to reviews on loads in RG CDG-AMS leg, this is not worthy if consider pax revenue in it, only car
26 Hardiwv : This because RG has no partnership with KLM, and AMS is mainly a connecting hub. Still, the business/first seats + cargo are enough to make the small
27 Post contains images Brasuca : Now you beat me! KLM would outsell JJ's first class seats (only 7 each flight) to Brazil, as KL doesn't offer this service. How come JJ ended partner
28 Post contains images Brasuca : I have found in airliners.net database that PT-MVB was flying with SAA. I never heard about this before. How come? PT-MVB: PT-MVD and PT-MVE:
29 Dellatorre : I don't think TAM shoud consider AMS as a potential EU destination. AMS just doesn't have enough traffic that would justify this move. TAM should defi
30 Glennpower : MAH4546, Thanks for the correction,(not forgetting when I said 14 x services MIA to GRU that included the weekly service with a stop in SSA). Hardiwv,
31 Brasuca : None of those destinations should be considered as the most important ones. ZHR: Not a good option at all! This niche market is mainly business pax i
32 Erikwilliam : The minute TAM joins OW I´ll trow my Varig card and my credit card that gives Varig FF miles out the window. Doesn´t matter how big U are, or how go
33 Post contains images Brasuca : Brazilian's airlines have got the same number of frequencies to the US as American airlines have got to fly to Brazil. The problem is that American p
34 Erikwilliam : thx Don´t think JL counts, they´r not brazilian or american. The route is NRT-JFK-GRU, JFK is a scale, maybe if they get some 777lr, we´ll see NRT-
35 Brasuca : Opsss... B77LR could do this run, but with only about half of load and terribly weight-limited, yet with great possibilities that they'd need to refu
36 JJMNGR : Gents, The possibility of flying to AMS is real but still a possibility and this service would not be direct. The plans are to extend the 04 aditional
37 Erikwilliam : JJMNGR: is Tam getting a new agreement on the gates or U´ll use the one that Varig doesn´t use?? If it´s a new agreement, how many slots did Tam pu
38 Hardiwv : AMS is a market of great pontential, as I underlined above. It is a high-yielding market, suplemented by strong tourist demand. I would use the same
39 MAH4546 : Alitalia flies FCO-GRU, non-stop.
40 Hardiwv : AZ flies MXP-GRU 5 x week and FCO-GRU 2 x week. RG and AZ focus on MXP exactly because FCO has lower returns than MXP. FCO is not a market for JJ. FC
41 Post contains images Brasuca : Hardiwv, Thanks for clearing up things. I wasn't aware of those two weekly flights. I wonder if RG code-shares them as well. Moreover, can MXP be an a
42 Hardiwv : Yes, it does. MXP is a gateway for South Switzerland and Austria. I am not sure about France Riviera. MXP is Italy's financial center, and located in
43 Post contains images Brasuca : Then maybe TAM should consider connecting ZRH to MXP in the very same flight, instead of backtracking ZRH passengers via CDG. Yet, they are probably
44 Glennpower : Brasuca, I think you will find that with JJs present CEO they will be a lot more aggressive in starting new routes over the next few years,this I have
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