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User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 848 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

Could some one elaborate a little on Northwest airlines long term plans for its Memphis hub?Has it been stagnant for the past few years as far as growth or has there been downsizing in the past few years?

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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

I fly NW almost exclusively, and I usually connect in MEM. Its really convenient.

There was a long conversation on this topic a while back that can be found here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1842182



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7765 times:
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Attention seems to be on IND right now. Most of the new service at MEM has been with NW regionals Mesaba and pinnacle. I believe NW is trying to finesse just the right mix in the cost structure by using regional employees as much as can be allowed under present and hoped for contacts and concessions. Quality and satisfaction with the job done has bitten them now and before when attempting this. You can only get people to do so much with so much. I'm sure they do not want to give up the gates they have without trying every last step. MEM was a marginal success before the economy began it's present slide but the city was never an industrial magnet. It was the lowest O/D of any hub a few years ago and I don't think that's changed. American and UA are both only represented by regional partners having pulled out mainline aircraft. It's not just NW.


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting M404 (Reply 2):
American and UA are both only represented by regional partners

I believe AA still has some mainline MD80's mixed in to DFW.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

My opinion: If you want to know what NW thinks of the MEM operation just look at where the bulk of the expansions are for. Seems as if every press release that comes out is for MKE, IND, DTW or MSP. MEM seems to be the step child. In a world of stiff competition there really is no point in maintaining an operation that only serves to double handle passengers (MEM). To survive you need a good mix of O/D and connecting passengers. MEM doesn't provide that. Is it also true that MEM has very high O/D fees? Plus the facility is old. Not exactly something you want to promote.


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7671 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 4):
To survive you need a good mix of O/D and connecting passengers.

CVG has proved that theory wrong in every sense of the word.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7658 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 5):
CVG has proved that theory wrong in every sense of the word.

Yes, and DL is in deep doo doo too. Still, both CVG and MEM have something going for them. They have big, highly centralized companies that need a lot of air service. For CVG, that is Procter and Gamble. For MEM, it is FedEx



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

Even though CVG is weak on O/D, MEM is even worse. The one thing MEM has going for it is convenience. Its a super easy connection, and you can walk from the most distant NW gates in 10 mins or less. The DTW worldgateway is beautiful, but the connections there can often be hectic.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 5):
CVG has proved that theory wrong in every sense of the word.

I disagree completely. Delta is in a world of hurt. If they were a greatly successful airline I'd say maybe you had a valid point. But you can't use a company as an example of success when they are in serious financial trouble. It would be like me trying to justify having hubs close together and using US Airways as an example.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Yeah, but where have the cuts came when DL makes them? DFW was cut completely, and SLC was being cut slowly but surely. Only after the DFW cuts were there additions at SLC. CVG is a successful connecting hub for DL, I don't know how that can be disputed.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

CVG might make good for connections but so does MEM. But like MEM is having problems so is CVG. DL whacked DFW and that was probably a smart move. But when you are hurting for money the worst thing to do is go out of your way to double handle passengers. The only thing that does is drive your costs up. You need to be in a market where you can tap in to O/D as well. The worst thing for CVG is that they are so close to other airports that people can just as easily go somewhere else instead of paying DL's monopoly prices.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7582 times:

In my opinion DL would be better served by operating in STL than CVG. It is a large airport with a good local market and far enough removed from low fare airports. CVG is just a bad location not because of where it falls on the map but because of where other cities fall on the map. Too much competiton around to try and run a fortress hub.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
I disagree completely. Delta is in a world of hurt. If they were a greatly successful airline I'd say maybe you had a valid point. But you can't use a company as an example of success when they are in serious financial trouble. It would be like me trying to justify having hubs close together and using US Airways as an example.

DL was the world's most profitable airline in the late 1990s with their second largest hub at CVG like it is now. So a hub with very little O&D works.

In terms of MEM, MEM is a great place to connect if you're connecting in the South and are trying to avoid the hussle and bussle of DFW, IAH, and ATL. MEM will likely continue to grow slowly, most likely with new regional service, but not much more. NW will not leave MEM though, that would be pointless.

Jeremy


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
DL was the world's most profitable airline in the late 1990s with their second largest hub at CVG like it is now. So a hub with very little O&D works.

And that was about the time the CVG hub was getting cranked up. How did DL do in the 90's after the CVG hub was in full operation for a time long enough to feel the effects?



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

LambertMan is correct. To imply that CVG is not successful for DL because they are in a terrible financial situation is not accurate. DL's current financial situation is not due to a lack of success with CVG, but rather. a whole laundry list of other factors which are too many to mention for this topic.

CVG is very successful for DL and has been for quite some time. I would say a city with low O/D numbers that can support daily service to LGW, CDG, AMS, FCO and FRA just off of connections must have something going for it. Also, consider these two facts...number 1, DL dismantled DFW, not CVG. DFW has much higher O/D numbers than CVG. Number 2...CLE has higher O/D numbers and a stronger local market than CVG, yet it has never worked as well for CO as CVG has for DL. CO doesn't even maintain year-round daily service to LGW from CLE. And when it is served, its with a 757 at that.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16946 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

"So a hub with very little O&D works. "

It can work, but MEM, CLT, and CVG don't.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 14):
CVG is very successful for DL and has been for quite some time. I would say a city with low O/D numbers that can support daily service to LGW, CDG, AMS, FCO and FRA just off of connections must have something going for it. Also, consider these two facts...number 1, DL dismantled DFW, not CVG. DFW has much higher O/D numbers than CVG. Number 2...CLE has higher O/D numbers and a stronger local market than CVG, yet it has never worked as well for CO as CVG has for DL. CO doesn't even maintain year-round daily service to LGW from CLE. And when it is served, its with a 757 at that.

Exactly! And for your info Indy, DL has their highest number of mainline flights from CVG in late 1997/1998 when DL was making huge profits, so your facts are a bit flawed. There have been a number of hubs that withstood despite low O&D numbers such as CVG, and MEM. To a lessor extent CLT, PIT, and CLE.

Jeremy


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6485 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

It's hard to tell how successful CVG really is. While DL has kept the hub alive and growing, they have slowly pulled mainline flights out of CVG. CVG is down to barely 150 mainline a day....while there are almost 500 RJ flights. Plus, with more mainline retirements, it looks like CVG will lose even more mainline flights.

Hopefully, Simplifares will help stimulate some of CVG's O+D and improve the hub's performance. But with CVG relying heavily on lower yield connecting traffic, connecting on higher-cost RJ's, it will be tough for DL to ever make big profits at CVG.

The same is true for MEM, but to an even greater degree. MEM exists solely to give NW a southern presence.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

I have seen enough news stories about DL and the woes with CVG to know it isn't healthy. They are losing passengers to surrounding airports. Alot of the blame goes to DL for their pricing at CVG. I don't recall if it was 2004 or 2003 but they actually saw a decline in passengers when everyone else was seeing an increase. That however may have been related to O/D instead of total. I don't recall at this moment.

You also can't compare European cities to US cities. The dynamics in Europe are much different than here and that has alot to do with the rail service making it so easy to get from point A to point B. I can fly in to AMS, FRA, CGN, DUS or whereever. It doesn't matter because I am only an hour to 90 minutes away from my final destination by train. That option just doesn't exist here.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

Just out of curiosity... can anyone provide any documentation of when DL was making huge profits? Most airlines were only marginally successful in the 90's.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 18):
I have seen enough news stories about DL and the woes with CVG to know it isn't healthy. They are losing passengers to surrounding airports. Alot of the blame goes to DL for their pricing at CVG. I don't recall if it was 2004 or 2003 but they actually saw a decline in passengers when everyone else was seeing an increase. That however may have been related to O/D instead of total. I don't recall at this moment.

That's crap. CVG lost pax to SDF, and DAY for a while. That's the reason that simplifares were introduced originally at CVG, and since then DAY and SDF have been losing passengers in large numbers. Once again you don't know what you're talking about.

Jeremy


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

SESGDL.. can you provide any sources?


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

Indy,

CVG did for a while, but with Delta's new simplified fares DAY is the one that is actually losing passengers to CVG (or at least it seems to be).

Of course they will lose a few pax to cheaper fares, but that isn't the point of your whole argument.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

" Though traffic at Cincinnati had dropped far less than at Miami over the past four years, Delta officials found that the airport was losing 2,500 passengers a day to nearby airports with a low-fare presence, including Dayton in Ohio, Lexington and Louisville in Kentucky, and even Indianapolis, which is a two-hour trek away.

About 20 percent of passengers from the Cincinnati area make the drive to Indianapolis, the home base of ATA Airways, a low-fare airline that recently announced a deal to share flight designations with Southwest."

http://www.tripsouth.com/MVT/Articles2005/MVT564.html

CVG has seen an increase since simplefares but also keep in mind how much of an increase my be simply because flights that were connecting in DFW have been diverted to other DL hubs. But that article underlines exactly what I was talking about.

In order for DL to succeed in CVG they will have to operate a fortress hub at much lower fares to compete with surrounding markets. The problem then becomes can you stay profitable when you double handle 75% of your passengers if you have to keep your fares low?



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

LambertMan.... show me an airline that is running a solid hub in a low O/D market. Everyone knows that MEM isn't solid and only around because of its location. As I have just shown CVG isn't solid as well and they are having to fight to keep people coming. They don't have the luxury that other fortress hubs have. They are heavily limited by week O/D numbers and they are also limited by competiton from surrounding cities.


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25 LambertMan : Indy, Stop while you are ahead, or well behind I mean. You are beating a dead horse.
26 Post contains images Indy : Whats the matter? Can't find anything to back up your claim? (note the smile face) The facts are simple: Competition drives down prices. Double handli
27 NYCFlyer : NW's hubs and focus cities include: MEM DTW MSP IND MKE Does the idea of geographical distribution of hubs mean anything to them? FIVE midwestern hubs
28 Indy : Does MEM count as Midwestern? There is a big difference between IND/MKE and what US Airways had. IND/MKE are heavily O/D. It doesn't matter how many f
29 Post contains links N670UW : Indy, Delta's financial situation is not the direct result of its operating a CVG hub. It's financial situation would be due to a number of factors, a
30 N670UW : I'd say MEM is more in the South than anything. N670UW
31 Incitatus : MEM is a dog. Move it to MSY I say.
32 Admluvs2fly : This is not a DELTA thread. The man asked about MEM, and if there is anything going on there. Let's keep the focus on the question. As far as i know,
33 Yyz717 : Overall, MEM has indeed been stagnant for 10-12 years. Has not really grown or shrunken in that time, while all other hubs (NW and others) invariably
34 Indy : N670UW, Thanks for the links. Now without conducting an audit I would have to say much of the "profit" for 1997 and 1997 had to be purely a paper prof
35 Post contains links and images N670UW : Just curious, where do you see a 500% jump? According to this, http://www.delta.com/pdfs/delta1997.pdf, the 1997 Annual Report, DL's 1997 net income
36 Post contains links Indy : It is under consolidated summary of operations on page 54 (as listed on their page and not pdf page 54) http://www.delta.com/pdfs/delta1998.pdf Net In
37 M404 : The MEM conundrum Memphis is a hub because of where it is But is just barely a hub - because of where it is.
38 Indy : Would MSY be a better option for NW than MEM? I will admit I know nothing about the New Orleans area.
39 Aeroman62 : I've just started flying to Memphis often on business, and love the availability of nonstops to MEM from SFO and LAS, not to mention the short lines a
40 MSYtristar : NW would not be able to have an operation anywhere near the size of MEM if they moved the hub to MSY. The most consecutive gates they could get in a r
41 LambertMan : As some people have said, MEM is only around for its location. There are very few options for other hubs in the Southeast, so there isn't much reason
42 ERJ170 : Agreed, LambertMan.. but I believe that AA pullout of RDU was one of the best things that could have happened.. since the departure of AA, RDU has do
43 N1120A : Like Steve said, MSY's main problem is terminal design, which is built for O&D. MSY has actually been getting a lot of service upgrades and new/resto
44 ERJ170 : So not the case... RDU has very good O&D.. just last year there was 9.5 Million passenger flying through RDU.. I wouldn't say it doesn't have any O&D
45 ACAfan : Thats not fair. O&D at MEM is terrible. Based on O&D, RDU should be the superhub. Let us look at five major business destinations, and lets see how M
46 STLGph : In response to Delta's problems coming from Cincinnati....get a new one. All these airlines are having problems with operations in cities far larger
47 Blackearth : Hi. New poster here. Long-time lurker. I recall that RDU has higher O/D than CLT, despite having a somewhat smaller population. A non-hub city having
48 NYCFlyer : Blackearth - welcome to a.net! That was an extremely well-written post.
49 LambertMan : STLGph, Thank you. That was what I was thinking....
50 STLGph : Agreed. You could probably also compare Memphis to Nashville as far as o/d numbers are concerned. Memphis and Cincinnati are also quite similar to ea
51 Post contains images Ejmmsu : I agree, Blackearth, great post. Don't worry, after a while, you can become just like everyone else, bickering with arguments that we don't back up.
52 Indy : A solid hub. One that is able to sustain traffic and turn a profit. One that has a nice mix of O/D and connecting traffic. One that doesn't start to b
53 ScottB : You really need to just stop before you demonstrate even more clearly how little you understand about the airline business or business in general. Wh
54 Indy : Yeah Scott I want to be like you and every mainstream thinking that has figured out how to run every airline into the ground. So who knows more about
55 Indy : My apologies in advance if that post comes across as disrespectful. That isn't the intent.
56 M404 : Please give sources for saying Memphis has above average income levels. It may be a reach but I wonder how a city that scored second best for lowest h
57 AFinMIA : People seem to forget that this HUB was accuired by the sale of Republic to NWA, a sale in which NWA is very proud if. MEM continued to be a central h
58 SESGDL : Ok, from what I've heard AA's golden MIA hub isn't making money right now. DL's enormous ATL hub isn't making money. With things the way they are, th
59 ACAfan : RDU also has a larger population base than MEM RDU is the 29th ranked tv market with 939,000 households MEM is the 41st ranked tv market with 655,210
60 Ifly2eat : Except SAT is way too far south for a good east- west hub. What MEM has going for it is a very high acceptance rate for aircraft even in low weather c
61 Jkudall : I might be missing something, but I don't know what TV markets have to do with this and how using those statistics can be considered credible for this
62 Post contains images ERJ170 : My only problem with this scenerio.. which is actually very informative.. is that if you look at all the destinations with NS to LA.. how come RDU is
63 Post contains links Blackearth : Here are your requested sources. http://www.fdic.gov/news/news/inactivefinancial/2000/fil0039b.pdf US Census and HUD estimated MSA median family inco
64 2travel2know : NW didn't have international flights out of MEM to CUN, GCM, MBJ? If CO and DL are aggresively going into international southbound service from their
65 Avek00 : The first part of your statement answered your question.
66 Fedex : As far as why more Memphians don't fly, I have wondered this myself over the last 3 years living in MEM. Just taking the group I work with as a cross-
67 Blackearth : It's been a long time since I lived in MEM, but I spent 25 years in New Orleans and noticed a similar trend there. Most locals were born and raised i
68 EXMEMWIDGET : Back in '86-'87 when I worked there, NW did fly to MBJ, CUN, GCM out of MEM. I believe they also flew to PVR.
69 Post contains images N1120A : Neither one of which are in the same trouble as DL. As far as US goes, having an absolutely horrible network structure hurts them and UA has the wors
70 ERJ170 : Location-wise.. RDU is a superb location.. it is centrally located on the east coast for domesticate to international traffic.. it has fairly good or
71 TheGov : For the record, MEM was a hub for Delta, Braniff (1) and Republic before Northwest took them over. The local weather was one of the many deciding fact
72 JohnJ : "Back in '86-'87 when I worked there, NW did fly to MBJ, CUN, GCM out of MEM." The current NW timetable lists the following nonstop international dest
73 Carpethead : I have never been to Memphis, but I can note this. MEM has four air carrier capable runways and large terminal facilities. Infrastructure largely in p
74 Drerx7 : Well if the NW 787 order is indeed accurate---could MEM see more international service? Or is the market entirely to weak?
75 Post contains images Blackearth : Methinks the local Memphis O/D is too weak aside from Dead Elvis Week when load after load of transatlantic 747's--or even the new whalecraft--would
76 Ejmmsu : Dont forget the one thing MEM has going for it....and thats the great BBQ. MEM has some of the best airport food in the country, and all three flight
77 STLGph : Well obviously they didn't sell their product good enough then, did they? It is. Just like Cincinnati. and do you blame that on having a hub in Cinci
78 STLGph : "One that has a nice mix of o/d and connecting traffic" Define numbers, please. "Doesn't start to bleed when a city an hour away starts to grow." Who
79 Sampa : There's been rumor of NWA reducing most of MEM to RJ traffic. However, with the money both airport authority and NWA have invested in Memphis would th
80 CIDflyer : I fly NWA almost exclusively and have flown through MEM several times. I really like the airport. It is probably one of the most convenient terminals
81 2travel2know : BZE GUA SJO LGW Which is the most likely next NW international destination from MEM hub? It could be from once weekly to daily.. doesn't matter. Bear
82 Sampa : Pre 9/11 the talk was a flight to LGW and also a day flight to AMS.
83 Ejmmsu : There is already a daily flight to AMS, the only international flight out of MEM. If I remember correctly, XJ applied for EAS service to Jackson, TN.
84 Sampa : Correct on the AMS flight. It is daily 10 years now. There had been talk of an additional flight. MEM does serve other cities internationally though A
85 Bobnwa : Sampa, Where has there been talk of an additional MEM-AMS flight? Your mention of it is the first I have seen.
86 M404 : For the last year and now again, rumors are floating about a "very big" mainline cut in MEM by winter. But, they are just rumors and it is contract ti
87 LambertMan : MEM City Hall has lobbied for a LGW flight for sometime, but that obviously has never amounted to anything. NW has also indicated that if WN were to
88 CIDflyer : I am not really sure if we will see a cut to mostly RJ flights in MEM. It seems as though this has been rumored for a while. If anything like that hap
89 Post contains links M404 : Here is a story about 30 DC9s being cut and related Mechanic layoffs. http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/business/11386592.htm What is the s
90 N77014 : So what does MEM offer? It DOESN'T offer the huge number of banks like DFW; It DOESN'T offer the Latin American traffic of IAH; It DOESN'T offer the O
91 Post contains images Jano : Good BBQ sandwiches and very fast connections...
92 ERJ170 : North Carolina BBQ is better.. made with vinegar and not with sauce.. MEM BBQ is too thick. MEM also offers good central location for NW's domain.. i
93 Ejmmsu : I apologize for getting off topic, but I'm moving to North Carolina in August, and the BBQ there is the only reason I regret it. I'll take my texas b
94 PSU.DTW.SCE : This thread always comes up every now and then, and its always the same thing...... You can always count on the people from IND, STL, RDU, & MSY getti
95 Post contains images ERJ170 : Aint' nobody pissing about RDU being a hub. RDU is doing just well as it is... a regular airport. RDU as a hub is not wanted or a consideration. And
96 LambertMan : St. Louis is indeed a hub for American, and a small one at that. It's all based off of local demand, which is why we see no banks. Apparently it is w
97 Indy : A place like STL is a much better location for a hub than MEM. Lets face it that in a day of rising fuel prices and competition from low cost carriers
98 MSYtristar : PSU.DTW.SCE, How have I gotten into a pissing match? I'm curious, because the only things i've said are obvious: 1) MSY has a far bigger O&D base, and
99 Post contains images Indy : I don't think PSU was talking about you. I believe he was talking about the subject in general. If you look around he is pretty much right. But on the
100 Post contains images MSYtristar : Indy, well that could the case, but I'm usually the one who jumps into threads to add some MSY-related comment. It doesn't really matter when all is s
101 Indy : There is nothing wrong with it. You will be accused of being closed minded by people who are often the most closed minded. But there are really good d
102 Stirling : While you are correct, those airlines did have service concentrations in Memphis, I don't think I'd go as far to call them "Hubs". Of them, Delta may
103 PSU.DTW.SCE : Sorry fellas, that first part of my previous post was meant to be more of a joke than anything else. I just think its kind of funny how these threads
104 Post contains images Indy : Where have I heard that at before? We could do a thread on NW and Air India partnering up to open a new hub in MCI. That should drive some poeple ins
105 Blackearth : Not entirely. A good example would be Bay St. Louis MS, and much of the MS Gulf Coast which receives both New Orleans and Biloxi television stations.
106 Jkudall : How about the data I provided in my original post? (reply 61) At least it had something to do with what we were talking about.[Edited 2005-04-16 07:4
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