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NRT; A Dangerous Airport  
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

This is the article of an NCA accident in NRT.

http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050408a7.htm

NARITA, Chiba Pref. (Kyodo) A Nippon Cargo Airlines jumbo jet caught a sudden wind gust while landing at Narita airport Thursday, causing one of the plane's engines to scrape the runway as the plane veered off its edge, airport authorities said.

A Nippon Cargo Airlines jet lands just off the runway Thursday afternoon amid a windstorm at Narita International Airport, causing its outboard port engine to scrape the runway.

No one was injured in the 1:25 p.m. accident involving the Boeing 747 flight from Anchorage, Alaska, with four crew members aboard.

The runway, however, was closed for about 35 minutes because the jet broke six runway lights on landing. Seven incoming flights were diverted to other airports.

According to NCA, an affiliate of All Nippon Airways, after the outer port engine touched the runway, smoke came from a wheel, but no fire broke out. The jet has four engines.

The company says it is investigating the accident and checking the damage to the aircraft.

According to the meteorological observatory at Narita airport, strong winds blew from the morning, with a maximum wind velocity of 82.8 kph at around 11 a.m.

Some flights were diverted to other airports, including Haneda airport in Tokyo, due to the gale, the airport authorities said.


It seems to me that NRT needs a cross-wind rwy like 04/22 in HND. It might be ok for departures but this single rwy operation for take-offs/landing at such a congested airport is so dangerous. Have there been any recent movements about moving flights to closer by airports? HND is only going to accept the short-haul int'l flights in the future but I remember another airport being debated for in the city of Yokohama. I just thinks its extremely dangerous.

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User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

NRT is not a dangerous airport and it has two runways by the way.Scraping an engine pod has nothing to do with the airport no matter were it is.

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Make that 1 1/2 Runways  Smile

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3654 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4182 times:
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Quoting Ktachiya (Thread starter):
It seems to me that NRT needs a cross-wind rwy like 04/22 in HND.

You can see in the picture, the lower taxiway connecting both sides of the airport is actually was supposed to be a crosswind runway. But just like NRT's 2nd runway, there are gaps. I guess the protesters did something to make the government decide to turn it into a taxiway instead.


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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4178 times:

What I am saying is that it does not have a cross-wind rwy.

Quoting Filejw (Reply 1):
NRT is not a dangerous airport and it has two runways by the way

Yeah great but they are both facing 340/160 degrees. Besides, 34R/16L is only 2180 metres. Do you expect that to be an airport with two runways and is capable of operating every single plane that flys there? No!!! What I am saying is a cross-wind rwy. And the congestion there is horrible. I've frequently was in flights that took 1 hour to depart off the rwy during rush-hours. If this incident were more serious and the whole rwy went busted, then what would have happened?

I am saying that they needd a rwy like 07/25 degrees because cross-winds do occur at NRT, quite frequently.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4167 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 3):
I guess the protesters did something to make the government decide to turn it into a taxiway instead.

Yes it does look like a crosswind rwy, but without the Sierra txwy, etc. like in the picture, how do you get from T-2 to rwy 34L? There would be major congestions with each plane getting permission to cross the cross-wind rwy.

But on another note, that is an extremely interesting analysis. Because there is a (engine run up) area? on the lower right corner of this picture. Even if it is not, I have seen a classic jumbo performing engine run-ups when I was there last.



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User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8110 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Narita is a perfectly safe airport - poor design, bad sightlines and poor surface maintenance are the only things that really make an airport unsafe. Crosswind landings can be difficult, yes, but pilot technique can and should compensate for that.

They definitely need to do something about runway 16L/34R though. Those farmers need to get out of the way - that runway is only half functional.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
Those farmers need to get out of the way - that runway is only half functional.

Not only the length of the rwy is ridiculous but the txwy adjacent to it is also ridiculous. It goes diagonally toward the rwy and goes out again diagonally so planes have to stop numerous times in order to get clearance from ground control to preceed.

I mean ok, like "Mike and hold short of Papa" is understandable.

"Sierra, hold short of Sierra, cleared to go for 10m on Sierra, then stop again, proceed on Sierra, hold again. That is ridiculous.

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