MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1560 times:
Obviously this is not a real flight schedule, but if this airline takes to the skies (I have my doubts), and if they are firm with their plan of flying "only 737's" for interstate service from MSY, well, this schedule would probably work for them. They have stated that they want to serve 45+ U.S cities, 7 regional destinations in Louisiana, and ten international destinations. I didn't touch the international schedules in this timetable, just all of the U.S ones. Some of these cities may seem questionable, but I basically went through a list of cities' that DL serves from ATL nonstop and figured which ones could theoretically support at least one 737 flight per day. After all, it wouldn't just be local traffic to/from MSY, but also some connections.
Having a hub in MSY poses some interesting timing challenges for flights, and I have overcome some of these by longer than usual ground time on certain flights and also by having some less-than-ideal early morning departures from several cities. Also, due to the fact that MSY does not have 30 open gates available to a new carrier, I had to spread a lot of connections out, so some cities may only have one or two connecting flights to a certain city while others have more, and others none! Quite a challenge indeed. If you look at the timing of the flights, however, you'll see that there are a lot of connecting oppurtunities available. Basically there are four banks per day going East and West...not every city is served during each bank.
Insights and opinions (negative and otherwise) are welcome as usual.
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1493 times:
Well--it will be interesting to see how those flights to Hobby and Atlanta would fair due to the amount of competition. Continental and Southwest have such a stronghold on the Houston-New Orleans route I wonder if those flights could be supported. Does the airline have a website yet?
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1472 times:
No website yet.
The most recent press release states that the airline wants to start operations with 50 737's. They are going to ask the state for $1 billion in loans for the financing of the aircraft.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1465 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2): They are going to ask the state for $1 billion in loans for the financing of the aircraft.
What? They asking Louisiana for $1Bil? Hehehehe.. I wonder how many of the Louisiana Congress are going to be laughing at them.. Wow! That's gutsy.. if they get it.. I say they order 50 737 and 30 E75.. Might as well..
Dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 808 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
Do any of you know (pending this thing becoming reality) when the may start hiring? I'm about to wrap up college and need to find somewhere to put a hard earned aviation management degree to work.
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1444 times:
Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 5): where do they plan on getting LGA and DCA slots from?
took the words out of my mouth.
and where are they getting all of those aircraft from? and how can they start with that many? havent airlines learned their lesson about getting too big too fast?
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
ERJ170: I don't know how they expect to get a billion bucks in loans, but I guess they figure that the airline would be a huge economic engine for the state...hundreds if not thousands of jobs, tons of revenue, etc. I say good for them. I'll put it like this: If they can't get a billion, I'd like to see them get the $400 million that the Saints want from the state for a new football stadium!
I don't know what series of 737's they are looking at...if I find out something i'll pass it along.
Dsuairprtman, they are "looking" at starting ops by 2007 at the latest. The company is called "DirectAir Holdings" currently, although I don't know if they have an office in MSY or BTR as of yet.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1440 times:
Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 5): where do they plan on getting LGA and DCA slots from?
Chances are they wouldn't get them, at least initially. I just threw those cities in there since they are ideal.
Ejmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
I've been thinking OKC needed a N/S to MSY. I wonder if WN would compensate to try to push them out of business.
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Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
Between DL, WN, FL, AA, and UA, this airline has as much of a chance as David Duke being elected for anything......
Midway2AirTran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1254 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7): I don't know how they expect to get a billion bucks in loans, but I guess they figure that the airline would be a huge economic engine for the state
Just take it out of education or the roads to force use of the airline...lol j/k!!
Or better yet, they could just hire David Neelman as CEO and get billions in capital from private sources.
Off from the humorus side of things, I like seeing the new start-ups. I would suggest they look to other sources for that much capital other than the state. It sounds rather ambitious starting with 50 a/c and 45 destinations out of MSY. My guessing are those are used a/c. Does MSY really have that strong of O&D traffic? Where is this team getting their research and numbers from? Are these seasoned industry people?
Smells kind of risky to me, but in the face of risk, there can be big reward. With the limited info. I see now, I doubt it.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
Here is what their route map will look like:
(Already Looks like they will need an interactive one b/c you can't see the cities in Louisiana)
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1083 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2): They are going to ask the state for $1 billion in loans for the financing of the aircraft.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They cannot keep the roads paved in New Orleans and cannot even pretend to have a decent public school system and they will give an airline a billion dollars in loans. You have got to be kidding me. Unless each member of the Legislature is getting a million dollars from said loan, forget about it.
Still Steve, you think they have any chance at actually starting up. Have you heard anything about angels coming out to fund their start up?
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Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
To: San Diego
923a 1115a 737 Nonstop
525p 720p 737 Nonstop
Fr: San Diego 520a 1050a 737 Nonstop
1225p 555p 737 Nonstop
Ooops! Can't leave SAN at 5:20a...Curfew. Runway opens at 6:30am for departures.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1027 times:
Actually, those are some very good times.. my only problem is that if an airline is going to do a schedule for RDU, they usually schedule 2 flights.. a morning and afternoon/evening departures for business travelers.. if they are looking for just leisure passengers, then that schedule would do just fine.. I am glad that you included RDU on your flight schedule though, MSYtristar..
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 38 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1014 times:
Stock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 976 times:
If I were going to add one non-hub city from Tulsa it would be New Orleans. I am really surprised that OKC and TUL do not have N/S service to Louisiana. The sheer amount of leisure traffic and a surprisingly high amount of business travel between Oklahoma and Louisiana in oil, etc. I think that Southewest would do great with a once daily service to each. Eventually I bet it will happen, but for now they will probably add more Midway service as they work on that build up. Anyone have any ideas?
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 888 times:
Dfwrevolution,
Those routes are not proposed by the airline. Just by me. Those are the ones I would pick if I ran the show. WN could use some competition on many of the routes from N.O since many route only see one or two flights per day.
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 873 times:
it would take several years to build up a schedule like that in new orleans.
the only efficient connecting traffic would be west coast to/from florida markets.
Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 862 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 23): the only efficient connecting traffic would be west coast to/from florida markets.
Plus the Caribbean, Central America and South America.
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