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How Come There Is No US Airways Club In FLL?  
User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

How come there is no US Airways club in FLL? Are they currently building one? If not, are they going to build one?

Also, do first class passengers get a pass to the Club?

Thanks,
Joe

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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
Also, do first class passengers get a pass to the Club?

Sure for $250-350/year...

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
Are they currently building one? If not, are they going to build one?

Probably not.. FLL is more of a leisure destination than business destination.. they probably think it is not needed..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Probably not.. FLL is more of a leisure destination than business destination.. they probably think it is not needed..

Leisure travelers don't fly to Guatemala City and Kingston.

They aren't building one because there is no room. They did express interest in building one. FLL is not a high yielding airport, but the Lauderdale area is actually were the majority of Miami's local largest companies are located - Office Depot, AutoNation, TriArc, Citrix. It has both a Delta Crown Club and a Continental President's Club. It's not as heavily leisure dependent as people may think. Fares are low because of compieition, but that doesn't mean business travelers don't frequent the airport.



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Fares are low because of compieition, but that doesn't mean business travelers don't frequent the airport.

I didn't say there were no business travelers.. what I was saying is that the number of leisure travelers outnumber the business travelers. I know there are a lot of business travelers in FLL.. they fly FLL rather into MIA because it cost more to fly into MIA than it does to fly to FLL and get a rental car to drive the 30 minutes to MIA...



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4709 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
It's not as heavily leisure dependent as people may think. Fares are low because of compieition, but that doesn't mean business travelers don't frequent the airport.

The same can be said of New Orleans. Reality is different from perception in many instances.


User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4687 times:

It just surprises me because they just added all of those flights!

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12185 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4674 times:

Maybe there is no US Airways Club at FLL because US management doesn't really believe there will ba a US, soon?

LOL


User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4665 times:

LOL! Thats a good one!


Joe


User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
How come there is no US Airways club in FLL?

Cost, clubs are closing not opening in an effort to cut cost.

Quoting IslipWN (Thread starter):
Are they currently building one? If not, are they going to build one?

No, they are not currently building one. The plan was to build a club in an area that is currently used by TSA. I won't really go into where the area is because of security purposes but it's not far from the US ticket counter.

Hawk44



Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4626 times:
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Hang on a tick.

I thought that US Airways was changing its business model to become an LCC like JetBlue.

if that's so, why would they need a club?

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):
I thought that US Airways was changing its business model to become an LCC like JetBlue.

if that's so, why would they need a club?

I know what you mean but US gets a lot of business travelers going into places like DCA that would like to use a club for a mix of reasons.

Hawk44



Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
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Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 10):
but US gets a lot of business travelers going into places like DCA that would like to use a club for a mix of reasons.

I'm sure that's true, Hawk. I'd be equally sure that JetBlue (for example) gets a lot of business travellers going into places like IAD that would like to use a club, too.

But, with JetBlue, they can't. And there is a strong argument to say that if you're going to be LCC, then you don't have clubs, which cost money.

Now - it can work. Perhaps. Virgin Blue in Australia has airport clubs, The Blue Room, but they charge for entrance, so that the Blue Room pays its way.

Or should pay its way. Virgin Blue has never broken out the costs (to my knowledge) so I dont know.

My point is only that US Airways should either be an LCC (like JetBliue) as they have said, or just a major paying lower wages than before.

I'm not sure how they can have it both ways.  Smile

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
they fly FLL rather into MIA because it cost more to fly into MIA than it does to fly to FLL and get a rental car to drive the 30 minutes to MIA..

No, they fly into FLL because they are doing business in Broward County.

The $30-$50 fare premium at MIA isn't a big deal to a business traveler.



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The $30-$50 fare premium at MIA isn't a big deal to a business traveler.

Ohhhkay! If you say so.. I'm pretty sure that the $30-50 fare difference is a pretty big deal indeed. From my experience, I have seen quite a few MIA bound passengers stop in FLL to get a renal car and drive to MIA. But if you say so, then okay...

Even from RDU, the roundtrip MIA fare is averaged at $300 while FLL is averaged at $218.. I think that to a busines, a $82 difference will make a BIG difference...

PVD.. MIA $300, FLL $230
BOS.. MIA $282, FLL $260
CMH.. MIA $302, FLL $256
SAN.. MIA $440, FLL $298

All figures checked from faremeasure which also showed that FLL had significantly more passengers than MIA. So business travelers MUST be travelling through FLL to get to MIA (as I believe, but can't confirm, that MIA gets most of the international traffic who don't care about price as much as domesticate travellers).



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
Even from RDU, the roundtrip MIA fare is averaged at $300 while FLL is averaged at $218.. I think that to a busines, a $82 difference will make a BIG difference...

To a small business, yes, of course. To a big business, no, that price difference does not matter.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
(as I believe, but can't confirm, that MIA gets most of the international traffic who don't care about price as much as domesticate travellers).

MIA gets roughly 10x the international traffic that FLL does - roughly 15M versus FLL's roughly 1.5M.



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
MIA gets roughly 10x the international traffic that FLL does - roughly 15M versus FLL's roughly 1.5M.

On that we agree.. MIA is a big international hub.. though some of MIA's domesticate flights are for O&D, most of MIA's traffic is to funnel traffic to international flights.. most of FLL traffic is for O&D for the FLL & MIA area..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
On that we agree.. MIA is a big international hub.. though some of MIA's domesticate flights are for O&D, most of MIA's traffic is to funnel traffic to international flights.. most of FLL traffic is for O&D for the FLL & MIA area..

Yes, exactly. And if it were not for business travelers (and a few Miami residents who pay the premium not to drag themselves out to FLL, like me), MIA would have almost no domestic O&D.



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

The concourse that US currently uses used to belong to Eastern. Eastern had one of their Ionosphere Clubs at FLL for years located just before the entrance to Conc F. It was really quite nice and very busy even back then. Sadly, this space is now occupied by the airport and is used for special events or something like that. I bet if US pushed hard enough (or AA for that matter) this space could once again be used as an airport club.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Now - it can work. Perhaps. Virgin Blue in Australia has airport clubs, The Blue Room, but they charge for entrance, so that the Blue Room pays its way.

And that's different than the US Clubs exactly how?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 18):
Now - it can work. Perhaps. Virgin Blue in Australia has airport clubs, The Blue Room, but they charge for entrance, so that the Blue Room pays its way.

And that's different than the US Clubs exactly how?

The "Blue Rooms" are a different sort of offering - when you pay the entrance/membership fee, you get access to the lounge, computer equipment, and (I think) non-alcoholic beverages, but the bar, massages, food, etc. all cost extra. The impression I get is that they're meant to be a true stand-alone business, just like any other airport bar, etc. The basic lounge/tech setup isn't a bad deal at all for only A$5 for a day pass.

OTOH, the annual fee for the US (and UA, AA, etc.) clubs isn't really intended to fully cover the cost of the club and make a profit. The club rooms are mainly there as a perk/marketing tool, expecially for international Bus & First Class passengers who get to use them free.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
actually were the majority of Miami's local largest companies are located - Office Depot,

Being technical here, but Office Depot's HQ is closer to PBI.



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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Hey...I've never heard of faremeasure. Its a pretty decent site!


Joe


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

The "Blue Rooms" are a different sort of offering - when you pay the entrance/membership fee, you get access to the lounge, computer equipment, and (I think) non-alcoholic beverages, but the bar, massages, food, etc. all cost extra.

That sounds like the US Club offerings. You get free non-alcoholic drinks and some cheap snacks, but alcohol and real food cost extra.

OTOH, the annual fee for the US (and UA, AA, etc.) clubs isn't really intended to fully cover the cost of the club and make a profit.

While I don't know about UA/AA/etc, the US clubs do break even.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4443 times:
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Quoting A330323X (Reply 22):
While I don't know about UA/AA/etc, the US clubs do break even.

Then why are they closing some of them?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztra...el/2005-03-28-usairways-usat_x.htm

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):
Hang on a tick.

I thought that US Airways was changing its business model to become an LCC like JetBlue.

if that's so, why would they need a club?

The LCC operating model is not written in stone.

LCCs were only supposed to fly old airplanes. Then TZ ordered new airplanes, along with FL.

LCCs were supposed to offer a one class product. Then NK, FL and HP offered a Premium Class.

LCCs were only supposed to fly one aircraft type. Then B6, FL and TZ ordered secondary fleet types (tertiary in TZ's case).

LCCs weren't supposed to offer frequent flier miles. Now almost all of them do.

Why can't an LCC offer a club product?

AAndrew


25 A330323X : Then why are they closing some of them? They closed the ones that were no longer breaking even.
26 Tango-Bravo : But I thought the mantra has always been that clubs are unequivocably profitable. What gives?
27 Mariner : Aa757first: I guess you didn't read my post where I said that an LCC can offer a club product - Virgin Blue does. I think an LCC can do anything they
28 Aa757first : How many flights are there into SFO and LAX on US Airways. Maybe 4x CLT, 2x PIT and 4x PHL. That's 10 flights. If there are four club members on every
29 Tango-Bravo : They have in no way shown one iota of commitment to a true LCC model. They are, in reality, evolving into a high-cost, low-wage airline -- wishing th
30 IslipWN : Just a quick question....if US is trying to become a LCC, are they going to get rid of some of their A330's? How many do they have? Also, why are they
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