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Is This Picture Legal?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18441 times:

Hi I saw this picture on today's most popular shots.

It was taken during takeoff. Now how did the photographer manage to take the pic? Musn't everyone be sitting while the plane is taking off by law ? Even flight crew must as far as I know

Then tell me how it's possible to take such a pic while taking off ?



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18427 times:

Probably a deadhead sitting in the jumpseat. All he would have to do is hold the camera up and take the picture, no standing involved.

Harry



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8294 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18421 times:

He probably just held the camera up above his head.... it's really easy, actually.


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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2736 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18424 times:

Could of mounted the camera on a tripod and used a shutter release or remote control to take the picture.....


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17056 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18373 times:

Some jumpseats are also a head higher than the pilot seats, for example the one on the DC-9/MD-8x.


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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18354 times:

"legally" yes they must be seated. But I remember going on ferry flights and aisle surfing. You stand on a serving tray at the front of the airplane, and when the airplane takes off you go sliding down the aisle, quite fun!

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18340 times:

But thought no one was allowed in the cockpit while taking off ! Unless its a 3rd pilot!


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User currently offlineUAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18253 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 6):
But thought no one was allowed in the cockpit while taking off ! Unless its a 3rd pilot!

If it was a deadhead, than no. He could've been taking that flight to get on a flight of his own, who knows. But he was most likely a pilot of Tahi and flew deadhead since the flight was booked or something.


User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17943 times:

Don't know about the 777, but I was fortunate to fly jumpseat on an L1011-500 back in 1985. I sat right behind the captain, and the seat was quite elevated. My knees were about the same level as the top of his head. Great view.

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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17847 times:

The MD-11 first observer seat is almost like a barber chair. You can move it so high, that your feet will rest on the center pedestal. The 757 jump seat is also quite high.

Jan


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17763 times:

I don't understand your question. What's the problem with this picture. At my digital camera I have a screen which I can turn in all directions. This means I can hold my camera above my head and even see what picture I take. This photographer was seated on the jump seat.

User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17681 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Musn't everyone be sitting while the plane is taking off by law ? Even flight crew must as far as I know



Quoting RootsAir (Reply 6):
But thought no one was allowed in the cockpit while taking off ! Unless its a 3rd pilot!

Are you trying to find something wrong with how he/she took this picture?


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17521 times:

I think the fisheye plays tricks on your eyes to make it seem like they are higher than they actually are...

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26538 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17491 times:

No, I think the issue is the RootsAir does not understand why they allowed someone in the cockpit. Airline employees are all allowed in the cockpit, as are invited guests in the airline. This is particularly true in places other than the US (Employees are ok, particularly pilots)


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User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17412 times:
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Quoting IslipWN (Reply 11):
Are you trying to find something wrong with how he/she took this picture?

Everyone does that with everything here. Don't you know that yet?  Wink



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17378 times:

If this is take-off, the nose is pitched up, so if you were level and looking out the cockpit window straight-out, you would see sky. I think the camera is angled down to catch ground for a good photo. I'm not a photographer but it makes common sense, yes?
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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17370 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 6):
But thought no one was allowed in the cockpit while taking off ! Unless its a 3rd pilot!

No. It depends on the company's policy. At most airlines you have to know a pilot and he has to give you a cockpit permit and then you can stay in the cockpit for the whole flight. I was lucky to know a MD 11 pilot of Swissair and was allowed to stay in the cockpit while landing at LAX.


User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17354 times:

Let's discuss the fact that it is one hell of a shot. Ok I can see the point of the question, don't get me wrong, but I just needed to say that.


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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17283 times:

Some airlines still allow 'members of the public' onto the jumpseat during take-off. Not many, but some...

User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17198 times:

Not a hope in hell of having a tripod in the cockpit Airplanepics. Health & safety and all that. Mind you, I don't know how the Thai authorities woudl view that....................

Quite a nice pic though. At least SOMEONE is getting jump seat rides!

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17174 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 6):
But thought no one was allowed in the cockpit while taking off ! Unless its a 3rd pilot!

Some airlines still allow jumpseat flights. Last year I had the luck to sit on the cockpit jumpseat on three flights, I hope my next one will be in June.

Patrick


User currently offlineMaitner777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16942 times:

I don't know...but the captain doesn't look a day over 16? I guess they start training early in Thailand.

Just a thought...


User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16915 times:

If laws had to be broken to make that wonderful shot.....Ill break it anyday...

The best ever jump seat is on the DC-10 / Md11 the side window is like 30 inches high and 20 long...increidle viwe and incredible sun burns....!!!
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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16706 times:

Lufthansa is one of those airlines that still allow them. Being a family member of one of the crew members helps alot too and along with being polite to the pilots!

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16519 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 23):
Lufthansa is one of those airlines that still allow them.

Wrong! Jumpseat flights on all German airlines are not allowed anymore by law (since September/October 2003). Only the active flight crew is allowed to sit in the cockpit during the flight, nobody else.

Patrick


25 JeffDCA : Why is it that most, if not all the great photos on this site must in some way be declared illegal, or fake by someone or other? Just enjoy the photos
26 Malaysia : Well I kinda resent my last jumpseat experiences, I could have taken good pics, but only had a few taken, the reason was I felt it was not legal and a
27 Post contains images Keta : That's a great picture! I think it's rather easy to take that photo while being sited. You're lucky! I've never been in a cockpit for more than 10 min
28 SkyexRamper : I can't believe a simple question and answer post could get this heated....simple thing is...jumpseater took the pic with a fish eye lense. If he was
29 Post contains images Malaysia : Another thing was my coworker went on the same jumpseat on the SV 747 IAD-JFK a later time and he said it was hilarious and a bit annoying in the cock
30 Post contains images AT502B : I don't have any idea about the legality of the photo- but what a great pic
31 Yegmaster : I don't know folks, maybe i am way off here but that pic doesn't seem real to me. If you look at the pilots hair is seems to fake to be real and to go
32 Skyexramper : Wow, you just single handly insulted the Thai people world wide. Are you saying that pic is sim with dummies and the best visual system you'll ever f
33 Post contains images Newark777 : Wow, second thread now that the pilot's hair has been analyzed. First it was too long, now it is fake. Harry
34 Yegmaster : And how did i do that???????? I'm sorry if i was so obviously mistaken and will be sure not to do it again. Cheepers.....
35 September11 : notice that the captain has his sleeve rolled up (right arm) ...
36 Post contains images MQrampBOS : That does sound fun. I'm gonna have to try that. Sounds like it's worth the assured Career Decision Day
37 David T : If you look over the right shoulder of the 1st officer, you can just make out Godzilla wading through the water on his (hers/its) way to Tokyo! The ph
38 RAMPRAT980 : DOES IT REALLY MATTER HOW THE PIC WAS TAKEN. ANYWAY I ANALYZED THE PICTURE AND IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE F/O IS HOLDING A SONY PS
39 SATX : 1. There are so many rules and protocols in aviation that it’s entirely possible that at least one of them was broken in the making of this photo. 2
40 DAYFL : If this picture is fake, which it is not, then I have to give it up for the meticulous detail. If you look closely at the instruments, the artificial
41 An-225 : Why not just ask the photographer? As for legality of the picture, he was probably a crew member who has jumpseat authorization. Nothing wrong with th
42 Chicoco : RootsAir, just love the picture,my pulse rate would be off the scale.If you have connections with airlines you can in some instances get to visit cock
43 Emrecan : It ýs a great picture.. What are you trying to do? Why do you ask is it legal? If he didn't take this picture, would we have a chance to see a great
44 Post contains images Nitzer280 : Am I the only one that thinks both those pilots are just mannequins?
45 Post contains images LPLAspotter : First: What a great picture!!!!!!!!!! If some of you make it to the cockpit to take pictures, don't do what I did on an AF 747 from NBO to RUN. As I w
46 Post contains images Wing : A month ago I flew on an Iberia A320 MAD-BIO, of course I asked the F/A if I could see the cockpit, and he told me that it was impossible. He even sai
47 Bruce : I didn't want to be the first to say it..... there is something about their skin tone and texture that just doesn't look like I would expect it too.
48 VHXLR8 : Sadly though, it's getting more and more restricted. At the moment, it's really only flight crew that can sit in the jumpseat (pilots and flight atte
49 Ba299 : The last 2 times that I flew LH I got the Jumpeast. Once offered by the gate agent and once by the captain..
50 Godbless : That for sure means that Condor has some really cute 20 year old girls, that have never flown before, belonging to the flight crew. And she for sure
51 GodBless : Speaking of "legal" pictures. What ever happened to the Eurowings A319 picture where the angle was kinda from "looking from beneath" during take off?
52 Post contains images Gr325 : So how did he take the pic? I mean, it is sort of a panaroma or something like it. How he took it is easy, press the shutter and done. But you get my
53 Sabena332 : So then the Lufthansa pilot who told me about this law is either full of crap or he simply doesn't know what is going on in his own company. Patrick
54 Yegmaster : If you look further back you'll see that i raised that same concern, but i got in trouble.
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