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If You Are "wanted", Can You Overfly The State?  
User currently offlineArt From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2055 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 960 times:

Just curious... A warrant for your arrest has been issued by a certain sovereign state. Can you/what happens if you take a flight that overflies that state (ie take off in country A, enter airspace of country that "wants" you en route to destination country B)?

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User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Apparently not, just read in the news a KLM jet was forced to turn back to the Netherlands for that very reason. Two passengers aboard were *not* on the security watch list, however, wanted for unknown reasons, and the KLM jet was denied to transit through US airspace because of such.


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3602 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 922 times:

Surely if you're "wanted" by the national police, then they won't let you out the country anyway, no?

-Stephen

User currently offlineBridogger6 From United States, joined Apr 2005, 681 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 853 times:

If you're "wanted" by anyone, it doesn't seem likely that you're going to care to follow the rules such as whether or not you're permitted ot fly over that stay  Smile. I think the more important question, however, is why are you asking this question? Any outstanding warrants? Big grin

User currently offlineArt From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 805 times:

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 3):
If you're "wanted" by anyone, it doesn't seem likely that you're going to care to follow the rules such as whether or not you're permitted ot fly over that stay

Suppose you are wanted in Germany. You are in Russia which (say) has no extradition treaty with Germany. The German authorities know this but can do nothing. The German police become aware that you are booked on a flight that will overfly Germany. Is there anything that they can do while you are in German airspace? Order the pilot to land in Germany, for example?

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 9482 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 778 times:

Back during the cold war, West Berlin was connected to West Germany by three air corridors, railway lines and transit autobahns. On both the railway lines and autobahns did the East German police check identities and sometimes arrest people wanted by them. So the only way somebody who was wanted by the East Germans could get in or out of West Berlin was by plane. Now the only airlines allowed to fly into West berlin were Allied owned, e.g. Pan Am for the US, BA for the UK and AF for France, plus a few others. Theorectically the East Germans could have sent a fighter up to force such a plane to land in East Germany, but since the plane is the territory of the country it is registered in and because the Allied air corridors were agreed upon during the Jalta meeting in WW2, it would have caused quite a diplomatic stirr. Additionaly the East German authorities would have had to know first that the wanted person was on board.

Jan

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States, joined Jul 2004, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 634 times:

I think the question is do the overflown coutries know exacty who is on every plane that flies over their airspace.


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User currently offlineACVitale From United States, joined Aug 2001, 921 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 449 times:

In the case of the United States the answer is YES and APIS submission must be sent. I believe the UK has or is working on a similar system.

User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States, joined Aug 2000, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 327 times:

What about if you haven't paid your taxes in a year? Would that qualify? Or perhaps if you haven't paid your parking tickets from your university days? Or maybe your uncle is in prison? Sorry for being sarcastic, but I understand if you have a warrant for killing someone or you are a convitcted terrorist or a known child fondler, but if you haven't paid your taxes and the plane is diverted because of that...I think I'd just stay out of the US for a while longer...not that I haven't paid them...just sent mine off the other day!  Smile


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