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Int. Service For NYC In ISP, HPN, SWF, BDL Or PHL?  
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Given the demand for international arriving slots @ EWR and JFK;
Is it feasible for ISP, HPN or SWF to have a full US Inmigration + Customs facility?
Should PHL and/or BDL start to be considered serious alternate airports for international service for the NY/NJ/CT metro area?


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5049 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

ISP/HPN have runways too short for such ops. SWF is a remote possibility, but until a US LCC goes into SWF with a decent level of service and stimulates traffic and SWF awareness it ain't gonna happen.

BDL and PHL are too far away really.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Not to mention the fact that EWR and JFK, while busy, are not filled to capacity.


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

I was thinking BDL could definately support a 757 to LHR/LGW... maybe Song? wink wink

TWA902



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

IIRC, HPN has CRJ service from YYZ or YUL on AC.

If someone wanted to start BBJ service from HPN to Europe, they probably could do it, but that's about the biggest plane that will fit into that airport.

-Mir



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Could a B737NG or A320 type aircraft to/from the Caribbean/Mexico Eire/Scotland take-off/land in "short" runways like HPN or ISP or not?
Sure DUB, SNN, BFS, PIK, ABZ, EDI > HPN, ISP is pushing the range of those aircraft too far!

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
ISP/HPN have runways too short for such ops. SWF is a remote possibility, but until a US LCC goes into SWF with a decent level of service and stimulates traffic and SWF awareness it ain't gonna happen



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User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

US Airways has a fair amount of connecting traffic from LGA-PHL-Carrib/Europe.

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

What about LGA-LHR on a 757?

TWA902



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 7):
What about LGA-LHR on a 757?

Does LGA has a US Federal Inspection Facility like EWR or JFK?
Are those London passengers go thru US inmigration and customs before landing @ LGA?
Some domestic US airports do get international flights that have pre-cleared customs in their origin airports (Canadian airports, Bermuda, Nassau, Freeport and Aruba).



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

TWA902fly is on the right track, but I would rather see - given there's a Federal Inspection Facility @ LGA - a LCY > LGA !!
What kind of narrow-body aircraft could do that route?



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

There are no FIS facilities at LGA - all of the international flights that arrive there are precleared at their destinations - BDA, STT, Canada, etc. all have US preclearance facilities. The only transatlantic destination that could go to LGA is DUB or SNN, as they're the only European cities with US FIS facilities.

User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1097 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

" ISP/HPN have runways too short for such ops. SWF is a remote possibility, but until a US LCC goes into SWF with a decent level of service and stimulates traffic and SWF awareness it ain't gonna happen. "

SWF does have LCC service from IAD with Independence Air.

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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Apart from a few select cases (such as LHR), international traffic is rarely to blame for the traffic problems at major airports. It is my opinion, therefore, that international traffic need not be penalized, ie in terms of diverting it away from airlines' preferred airports. Think O'Hare--if hundreds of RJs to Moline and South Bend and the like are the problem, why make a London-bound 747 land at Gary, or (god forbid) Peotone?

While I don't think "alternate" airports in the NYC area (which does not by any means include PHL or BDL) should be considered for diverting international traffic, I do believe that in some cases secondary regional markets (BDL again, for instance, or SAN) have enough traffic to support international service that is currently being "routed" through another, larger airport. In other words, if we ever see a flight from BDL to London, it's going to be because a market actually exists at BDL, not because JFK needs to alleviate congestion.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

HPN is not an option because the local government has regulated a maximum number of passengers/hour, not to mention the short runways. BDL could probably support intercontinental flights to 2 or 3 EU gateways. It would be interesting if an airport with long runways were to be built in southern Connecticut, either between Bridgeport and New Haven or between Bridgeport and Stamford. If such an airport existed, it could generate a fair amount of traffic both domestically and internationally.

Texan



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 11):
SWF does have LCC service from IAD with Independence Air.

They also had it with Southeast, but they failed.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32696 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
IIRC, HPN has CRJ service from YYZ or YUL on AC.

Beech 1900Ds and Dash-8s to Toronto.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

How do you plan on landing anything with passangers at LCY that just came frmo LGA?

Good plan but you'd have to double their runway, at least

TWA902



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2984 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 16):
How do you plan on landing anything with passangers at LCY that just came frmo LGA?

A RJ70 or E170/90 (maybe) with an intermediate stop in Gander or Iceland?  Smile



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2980 times:

I do believe BDL has a full FIS facility. Given the right conditions Hartford could support a flight to London, Paris, Frankfurt, et al if it were not smack dab between Boston and New York City.


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User currently offlineUswyjer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

BDL does have a brand new FIS facility with 1 current jetway, and a door for another. I believe the only carriers using it right now are our weekend charters: USA3000, North American, etc... There were a couple local businessmen a few years ago who were putting together a small airline to run 757s from BDL-Stansted, I think the working name was AtlanticJet; not sure if that project is still in the works or not.

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