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GYY Chicago Airport - Something To Look Forward?  
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

How attractive is Gary Chicago Airport for passengers travelling to/from Chicago?
It's going to be a real alternate airport for the Chicago area when improved?
Other than ORD and MDW What are Chicago "other" airports suitable to be their alternate airport? MKE, SBN ?


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

There's Rockford which is marketed as Rockford-Northwest Chicago Airport... currently served by Transmeridian,Hooters Air, and Northwest Airlink, destinations include:

LAS (Hooters, Transmeridian)
SFB (Transmeridian)
FLL (Transmeridian)
SJU (Transmeridian - seasonal)
DTW (Northwest / Pinnacle)
MYR (Hooters)
ATL (Hooters)
DEN (Hooters)

plus a couple charter airlines to places like CUN PUJ etc..

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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

How far is Rockford from ORD, MDW?
If they've charters to CUN, PUJ where do those pax go to inmigration/customs when returning to RFD?



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User currently offlineATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3746 times:

2travel2know,

I don't know much about the pax facilities, but I can tell you that operational the airport can be a nightmare. First, there is a train track with a train sitting at one end of the runway. And,(this will kill ya) the train has priority OVER flights coming in and out. Sooooo, if you have to use that runway, and you are too heavy to clear the train while operating, you sit there. After the train passes, the fire department then has to go out and remove some kind of poles that have to do with the train, all before you can leave and still carry a decent load. Sheesh.

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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3730 times:

IF prices are low enough out of GYY, some Chicagoans might be persuaded to take the Skyway into Indiana to catch a flight. I'm not too optimistic though.

SBN is too far away to be a viable alternative to ORD & MDW. However, the reverse is not true, because many people traveling to the Michiana region use ORD or MDW.

What do you think about renaming GYY after Gary's most famous son? Michael Jackson Airport has a nice ring to it!  Wink


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

I guess there are customs at Rockford, UPS has their chicago-area base there, come around 9PM to see all their flights land/take off. RFD is about an hour and 15 from ORD, and over 2 hours from MDW... considering no traffic

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User currently offlineAirportPlan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Here is the latest press release from GYY regarding the FAA approval to lengthen the primary runway.

FAA approves plans for airport expansion

By Andy Grimm
Gary Post-Tribune

Gary/Chicago International Airport officials say they can begin preparing for takeoff in earnest.

After two years of review, Federal Aviation Administration officials Thursday announced their approval of plans for a multimillion-dollar expansion effort that local leaders say will vault the airfield ahead of Chicago-area competitors in the race to become the region's third major air hub.

"This already-vital airport gota big boost today," King said at a news conference in the airport concourse.

The plans, which will cost an estimated $90 million to complete, call for moving the EJ&E Railroad tracks that run along the airport's northwest border and extending one of the airport's two runways by 1900 feet.

Because of FAA safety regulations, the l5 foot-high railroad embankment at the end of the runway was an obstacle to bringing business to the airport, airport administrator Paul Karas said.

FAA rules on the embankment all but eliminated wide-body jets from taking off and landing at the airport, despite the fact that the 7,000-foot runway is longer than any at Chicago's Midway Airport.

Passenger flights couldn't take off with every seat full and cargo aircraft had to take off partially loaded, Karas said.

"As soon as we move the railroad, we can start getting more flights in here immediately," he said, adding that construction could begin as early as 2006.

Story posted: 3/18/05


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 4):
What do you think about renaming GYY after Gary's most famous son? Michael Jackson Airport has a nice ring to it!

I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.

I'm going for "Jackson 5 Gary-Chicago International Airport"



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User currently offlineScutfarcus From United States of America, joined May 2000, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

It's all about the transportation links... if they can build a decent train to downtown chicago (better than the current, clunkly southshore line) then Gary can absolutely be a viable airport for the entire South Side, as well as the Loop.

Even Milwaukee is moving ahead of Rockford for the north shore and north suburbs (despite its 90 mile distance from the Loop) - the new Amtrak station at MKE will do wonders, especially if they ever get funded to to High-Speed - at that point it could be as little as 45 minutes from MKE to the Loop.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

The last time i drove up in that region, it looked like they were making a serious attempt at cleaning up that area. It was not all that bad...if you come from the east on I-80/90 then you go through some "bad" parts but i think if they can clean up a little and get the airport expansion done, then GYY could very well become the third airport in chicago and the peotone airport would not have to be developed.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

We're talking about 12/30 correct?

So I assume, flights take off from 30 then?
Taking off to the NW over Chicago? That seems strange....

Looks like the threshold is displaced on 12? How many feet?

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=13&Z=16&X=291&Y=2879&W=1&qs=%7cgary%7cin%7c

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.

Very true...however, I can think of many major airports that are situated in not so great areas of the cities they serve....
The fact remains, millions reside in NW Indiana/SW Michigan that could be better served by not having to go to MDW, or worse for them ORD.

I can see Gary becoming a valid alternative in the years to come, the gridlock of Chicago guarantees it.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Well, when you take into account that MDW cannot be expanded anymore and ORD is oversaturdated, GYY seems like the next best alternative. If you wait for Peotone to be built, it will be a very LONG time; at least GYY is already there and could be used while expansion/renovation is done.


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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Rendering of the Multimodal Station at GYY


View of the Chicago skyline, looking NW from GYY (showing proximity)


All in all, given this expansion plan on the on-going gridlock in the Chicago metro area air travel infrastructure, I'd say that with significant investment in improving the intermodality and upgrading the airside and terminal facilities, it would only be a matter of time before the likes of, say, JetBlue would take the chance. But given its current condition and the lack of any real upgrades, I think GYY is doomed to be a GA, charter, or very modest scheduled service airport.

-Mike



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 9):
Even Milwaukee is moving ahead of Rockford for the north shore and north suburbs (despite its 90 mile distance from the Loop) - the new Amtrak station at MKE will do wonders, especially if they ever get funded to to High-Speed - at that point it could be as little as 45 minutes from MKE to the Loop.

MKE at 45minutes from the Loop by highspeed train will indeed make it very, very attractive for Chicago. MKE does have an international arrivals building (how many gates?), they just need to put a connector from it to the main terminal and they would be able to easily get those international flights that can't afford good landing slots @ ORD.
Still something will have to be done with GYY or even South Bend (which has train to the Loop) for the southern Chicago / Northwestern Indiana market.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.

lol...I was thinking the same thing......  Wink



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

How about Gary/Chicago Pediport after MJ???

Yeah, I know. Sick joke.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13549 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3146 times:
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Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 14):
Rendering of the Multimodal Station at GYY

Wow! I like. Ummm... Is it just me or are their no barriers to walking onto the high speed train tracks?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineMikefad From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
What do you think about renaming GYY after Gary's most famous son? Michael Jackson Airport has a nice ring to it!



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.

How about Ghetto International.

Maybe passengers could just be shuttled in on helicopters from a remote(safe) location. Sort of like the buses at Dulles, or the trains at TPA & LAS.

Just JOSHING, of course ,to all you Hoosiers out there


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
I think it would be less bad naming GYY for "Jackson Brothers Airport" instead.

I don't think it would be wise to hang that moniker over the airport at all; especially if a guilty verdict is reached.....bad omen!

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
If you have ever driven through Gary on your way to Chicago from Michigan then you would wonder who if anyone from this area is flying. This is an area that you want to drive from, not to.

This is obviously a huge obsticle, unless of course, you are taking the train and not driving. From the air, this area looks absolutely hideous. This will be the only airport in America where they issue guns to paying passengers to get into an airport.

In all seriousness, if they can clean up the area and make the ride into the airport nice, clean and safe, it may just work.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

I love the looks of the intermodal train station....in a way, it looks to me a little bit like the Metro station at Madrid-Barajas.

If that is built, the biggest hurdle is overcome.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 18):
Is it just me or are their no barriers to walking onto the high speed train tracks?


I haven't seen any barriers at European stations used by highspeed trains, and I don't know anything about the arrangement in Japan, but are they really necessary?
Remember, when they pull into the station, they are moving slow.

[Edited 2005-04-12 17:23:36]


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User currently offlineMichael77750 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

One problem with MKE right now, not much room left for more traffic. With the possibility of JetBlue expanding to MKE later this year, Mitchell International is getting full pretty quickly.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

I certainly hope GYY becomes a major alternative to ORD and Midway.

My hometown of Gary may be a dump but there are other major airports in slums. Look at Oakland, CA and Newark, NJ.
GYY not only has the tollroad right next to it that feed in to downtown Chicago, but it also has the commuter railway also.


The airport should be named after me, SUPERFLY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.  Smile



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User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9518 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 14):
Rendering of the Multimodal Station at GYY

nice rendering. but where is the graffiti?

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 3):
And,(this will kill ya) the train has priority OVER flights coming in and out. Sooooo, if you have to use that runway, and you are too heavy to clear the train while operating, you sit there. After the train passes, the fire department then has to go out and remove some kind of poles that have to do with the train, all before you can leave and still carry a decent load

sounds like they have a hot box sitting there.

is this the possibility that trains cannot stop there because of blocking major intersections?



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25 FA4B6 : where in the world did you hear that? with a320's? the 190's wont see currently non-existing B6 cities till 2006. what's your source?
26 Bravogolf : For ATCRick GYY, like many other airports, has a displaced threshold on the departure end of RW30. The obstacle happens to be a railroad that predates
27 Jaws707 : In regards to the area around GYY being a dump. It absolutely is and one of the reasons is because there are not enough jobs in the region to support
28 B757capt : I can vouch for the pole prodcedure. To date Southeast, Pan Am, or Hooters have probably used it about 50 times in 5 years and NEVER waited on a train
29 ScottB : Actually I'd say to name it Janet Jackson International -- and make sure you have a "bust" of her in the terminal...
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