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User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Hello,

Could someone please give an opinion on the likelihood of these routes happening:

1) BOI-JFK/EWR/LGA

If any carrier were to do this, I would imagine JetBlue as being the first. Would it work with an A320, or a 737-700? I think the loads would be managable, yet I'm sure someone here has more info on this.

2) BOI-IAD/DCA/BWI

On the Boise Airport website, they have an O&D list of how many passengers go to certain cities. Surprisingly, Baltimore showed up as the #1 city with the most traffic in Boise without a non-stop flight. I wonder, would a 737 or larger aircraft be successful on a flight to Washington D.C and the surrounding areas?

3) BOI-CLE

I'm not sure about this...it just seems that COEx is very successful with the BOI-IAH, so I wonder what the possibility of a BOI-CLE flight is in the future.

4) BOI-DFW

I'm actually debating with myself whether I should ask this, because it seems that AE did poorly with this route. It just seems odd that BOI-IAH worked, and BOI-DFW did not. Is there a possibility of this working with a larger aircraft? (I ask about a larger aircraft because I know that some people book totally different flights to avoid the RJ)

5) BOI-DTW

It seems NW is successful on the BOI-MSP flight, or so it seems, so I wonder of the possibility of a BOI-DTW flight.

6) BOI-CVG

I'm asking the possibility because of the recently started BOI-ATL, and now that Comair does BIL-CVG (I think)

7) BOI-ANC

Is there any chance at all of AS doing some kind of flight like this?

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I was just tossing ideas of routes with aviation nerds like myself  Smile, over here in BOI. I know that I am probably thinking too ahead of myself...but I am just curious of the likelihood of any of these happening...

Thanks,
Anthony

PS: Random BOI Questions:

Is there any hope of QX/AS expansion out of BOI?

Any new info on the Control Tower and what it is to look like? Parking Garage?

How is the third runway coming? Any official length of it and if/when it will be entered into charts of the airport.

Any info on Concourse A and when it will be built? What about the remodeling of Concourse B?

Thanks again, and apologizes for all of the questions,
Anthony

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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
1) BOI-JFK/EWR/LGA

I don't see this happening too soon. I think the route would be most likely CO to EWR or B6 to JFK. BOI can't have flights to LGA because it is outside of the perimeter. I think that more flights to the midwest hubs are more likely.

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
2) BOI-IAD/DCA/BWI

See above. Again, I don't think the majors would want to cannibalize their flights to MSP/ORD and there probably isn't enough service to warrant it. BWI is also one of SEA's top destinations without N/S service and I don't see that happening any time soon.

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
3) BOI-CLE

Very doubtful. CO does not fly PDX-CLE and only has 1x daily SEA-CLE even in the summer. I don't think CO plans on making CLE a very big hub for transcon flights(ala ORD, MSP, DTW, CVG) so I don't think this would be very likely. I think EWR would be more likely than CLE as far as CO is concerned.

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
4) BOI-DFW

I could see this happening. Now that DL is out of DFW, AA faces less competition and I could see them re-starting BOI service, especially given that CO seems to be doing well on the route to IAH.

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
5) BOI-DTW

I could see this also, however NW may not want to cannibalize its MSP routes. I don't think DTW would add many new connecting opportunities for BOI pax except additional international connecting opportunities - so I think International connections would dictate the route's success.

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
6) BOI-CVG

Wouldn't shock me. DL seems to be building CVG again, and with service to SLC and ATL, CVG seems to warrant at least a single 738 flight. DL seems to be particularly strong in Eastern Washington compared to other airlines (at least out of SLC), so I could see them building up BOI with a flight to CVG. However they are also trying to build up SLC so they might continue to funnel pax through there ...

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
7) BOI-ANC

Doubtful. With so many flights and connecting opportunities at SEA, I don't think AS would want to start a nonstop service.

As far as AS/QX expansion, I'm not sure, although I would think more flights to California or perhaps DEN would be their first moves if/when they expand.


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
6) BOI-CVG
I'm asking the possibility because of the recently started BOI-ATL, and now that Comair does BIL-CVG (I think)

I would say no. DL isn't too big from CVG to the Northwest. OH failed on the BIL route. In honesty, like this route, I don't see any of these routes going (other than the DFW, but AA didn't seem to have success) unless BOI finds a way to guarantee profit.
Also OH no longer operates BIL-CVG.



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Any chance of BOI-SAN non-stops returning on QX?


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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4356 times:
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Last July 4, I flew from BOI to EWR with a stopover at SLC on DL. I am not sure if the flight still exists, but there were less than 10 passengers on that flight who were going from BOI to EWR. Most got off at SLC, and most of the passengers going to EWR got on from SLC. However, that was a July 4th flight, so the flight itself was very empty.

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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Out of all of these, i think only BOI-DTW and BOI-CVG seem like they would work, NW flies the seasonal DTW-Bozeman, so i'm sure BOI could work... and BOI-CVG seems like a good CR7 route, however they did try BIL-CVG and that didn't do too well as far as i remmeber... how about FAR-CVG and GFK-CVG?

TWA902



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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

The problem with routes from BOI to places like NYC and the DC area is that there is not enough O/D to support these routes. And since BOI has virtually no connecting traffic, O/D is all the airlines would get. For example, there are only approximately 100 people who fly from BOI to NYC daily. This is nowhere near where it would need to be to warrant a N/S flight.

BOI to DFW - AA tried and failed, they will probably try again in the future though.

BOI to CLE - Thats quite a long shot.

BOI to DTW - Maybe, but not anytime soon.

BOI to CVG - Highly doubt it. We don't even know how ATL-BOI is going to work out yet. DL doesn't have a whole lot of flights to the west coast from CVG and even then its just to the bigger markets. DL is quite successful right now routing BOI pax through SLC.

As others have said, BIL-CVG isn't coming back this year.

BOI to ANC - Not a chance.



[Edited 2005-04-11 10:19:15]

User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Thanks guys, you've helped me yet again!

I knew some of the routes were not going to happen anytime soon...and like I said, I was sure I was thinking a little too ahead of myself.

Thank you!
Anthony


User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4114 times:

Hey guys, here are more questions...

1) When could BOI see its first international flight?

2) Did any non-charter airline ever consider non-stop or one-stop to Hawaii?
(From a rumor I heard once)

3) When could BOI see its first 757 flight?

Anthony


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4109 times:
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3) When could BOI see its first 757 flight?

BOI already gets 757 service - from UPS.  Wink



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

As for international flights.... once AC flies a CRJ or something, maybe Dash 8 from YYC or YVR, even that i doubt though, non-stop to Hawaii i sort of doubt, but one-stop could work, maybe if AS ever flew to Hawaii, or Aloha continued one of their flights.... say BOI-PDX-HNL, although i doubt that, NW is barely making any money on PDX-HNL

TWA902



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Hawaiian Vacations flew BOI-OGG last winter once a week with 757's on NA. The service did poorly though and was dropped.


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User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Chugach,

It was very expensive though, and I've known a lot of people who disliked the timing of the flight.

I was reading in a PDF that Boise was ready to become an international airport when the time came.

EA CO AS,

Doh! Forgot about that...but seriously, when will BOI see its first passenger 757 from a non-charter carrier?

Thanks again,
Anthony


User currently offlineSprxUSA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

As for any new control tower, just look at ones that are being built near the time one at BOI is and it could look like that probably. The US Govt seems to pick a design and build that one at similar size airports. That is why PDX, SEA, SLC and ABQ, SAT etc. towers look the same. They must have built BOI's and PWM's about the same time since they are almost identical.

Runway 9/27 right now is 5,000' x about 50'. I seem to think the ultimate is the same as 28L/10R of 12,000. I do not know when either will be expanded to their ultimate length. 28R/10L is now at the ultimate of 10,000. I also wonder why it is not shown anywhere. Maybe since it is only used by ANG for now.

I understand that they are going to begin minor interior remodel of Concourse B sometime soon, but I do not know what this entails. As for Concourse A, I will say at least 5-10 years out.

I also think the new addition to the parking garage will have same look as current one. I thought they were going to start that sometime this year. I guess that is also when the airport will overhaul the parking lot to be what it was supposed to be according to the terminal expansion plans.

The first response hit it on the routes you were asking about. I do remember hearing that the DL station mgr wanted a 757 nonstop to CVG at one time.

I do not see BOI get any regular 757 flights anytime soon. With 737-800 and -900s, that would seem more likely.

As for ANC, I know Western Airlines flew one nonstop to ANC from here when SEA was fogged in and the 727-200 was routed SLC-BOI-SEA-ANC, and loaded up with fuel and went to ANC. This is a route I would like to see.

American Eagle had a lousy operation here. Right from the get-go, they were to begin 5/15 and didn't until 6/1/02. They had quite a few delays as well. The whole situation didn't seem to be very well run. But maybe the time is right now for a DFW n/s.

Of course, I never thought I would see a nonstop to Moses Lake,WA, either. Even a subsidized one.

I do not see any more Alaska/Horizon expansion. They seem to now be replacing most CR7s with DH8-400s. Just what I want to fly nonstop to LAX.

But they are adding another BOI-DEN flight for 3/day as Frontier Jet Express.

And so much for the 1:30am flight to IAH in COEx, they decided against it.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Thread starter):
On the Boise Airport website, they have an O&D list of how many passengers go to certain cities. Surprisingly, Baltimore showed up as the #1 city with the most traffic in Boise without a non-stop flight.

That is called the Southwest effect.


User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

SprxUSA,

To add to what you are saying, Concourse B will be remodeled on the inside and out, plus, according to the 2003 review, they're going to replace the jetways. Of course, that was in 2003, and things could've changed.

That sucks about the 3rd BOI-IAH flight. I hope they add one, just maybe at a different time.

I remember hearing a rumor that AS was going to replace all of QX on BOI-SEA/PDX/LAX.I do imagine the first carrier to bring 757s to BOI would be either NW or DL.

I wouldn't say that Concourse A or the new Terminal II will be 5-10 years out...it just depends on when we hit 6 million pax per year.

Come to think of it, QX is adding a CR7 flight to PDX for the summer. Not much, but at least it is something. QX is adding more CR7s to the fleet so that may be good news.

Anthony


User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3733 times:

BOI-EWR on CO would be interesting, but DL operates a 1 stop through SLC already and CO probably doesn't want to compete against its own alliance partner.

BOI-CVG: We will see ATL service first before DL serves BOI from CVG

BOI-DTW: Might work, but it would probably hurt the MSP flights, and there are only 3 MSP dailys now with A32x aircraft

BOI-BWI/IAD: probably would be a UA flight to IAD, and only a few times a week, I bet we will see ATL and EWR service first

BOI-DFW: possible, AA might have to try a mainline flight a few times a week, and there are currently few if any available jetways.

Most of these routes are probably most hampered by the lack of gates with jetways currently at BOI. When the Concourse A is constructed we will probably see more service from more carriers to more destinations.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting Frugalqxnwa (Reply 16):
BOI-EWR on CO would be interesting, but DL operates a 1 stop through SLC already and CO probably doesn't want to compete against its own alliance partner.

Continental couldn't care less that Delta operates a "one-stop" flight through SLC.

Quoting Frugalqxnwa (Reply 16):
BOI-CVG: We will see ATL service first before DL serves BOI from CVG

Delta starts Atlanta-Boise in June.

Quoting Frugalqxnwa (Reply 16):
BOI-BWI/IAD: probably would be a UA flight to IAD, and only a few times a week, I bet we will see ATL and EWR service first

A few times a week would never work. If the market can't support a daily non-stop, it can't support anything.

Quoting Frugalqxnwa (Reply 16):
BOI-DFW: possible, AA might have to try a mainline flight a few times a week, and there are currently few if any available jetways.

Ditto with IAD.



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User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Thanks dudes!

Anthony


User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Delta starts Atlanta-Boise in June

Didn't know that, thanks for the correction. Its nice to see DL picking up the route to their main hub. Hopefully BOI will get more transcon, but we will need a few more jetways (as in A concourse) before that happens, unless the commuter C gates are used as a temporary solution.


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