Jush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22664 times:
I really hope they don't even build the A350.. i wann see the 787 a success as well as the A380... the 787 is to beautiful not to be a success. Would be a shame. Another good news for Boeing. Hope you get you order book full.
Cheers
Matt
There is one problem with airbus. Though their products are engineering marvels they lack passion, completely.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22596 times:
FI 04/12/05:
"787 defeats A350 at Northwest
New twinjet selected over rival Airbus proposal in crucial fleet contest, shoring up Boeing's US Customer base
Northwest Airlines is poised to announce its selection of the Boeing 787 over the competing Airbus A350 in a crucially strategic fleet re-equipment battle that could have knock-on effects for both manufacturers, say sources familiar with carriers evaluation."
"...Airbus had been optimistic of a breakthrough at Northwest with the A350 since last year when the airline firmed up options for additional A330-200/300s. The carrier has 15 A330-200/300s in service, and a similar number of new Airbus twinjets due for delivery between now and 2007. Airbus hoped the high degree of cockpit and systems would provide a better incentive to Northwest..."
"...The Northwest decision could have implications for at least two other impending decisions where the A350 and 787 are against each other, at Singapore Airlines and Qatar Airways..."
The FI article doesn't indicate what those "implications" might be.
NASCARAirforce From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1773 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22390 times:
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 9): Oh dear God i hope that this is true. I'm going to get a putty knife that way I can scrape the goo from my pants.
Ok, that was Too Much Information!!
Anyway, I really hope this is true also. I would love to see the 787 flying in NW colors. Would be great to start some DTW- Smaller Asian market flights with.
American 767 From United States, joined May 1999, 2459 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22257 times:
Well I'm not a NW insider but I really think the order should be announced sometimes this month, or next month at the latest. It is already the third airline in the SkyTeam allinace that orders the 787, first two are Continental and Korean.
And I'm not surprised they chose the GE power plant because they don't work with RR and their A319's and A320's are CFM powered, part of which is GE. The other aircraft that is GE powered at Northwest is the DC-10-30 (the 40 used to be PW powered). I'm certain Northwest would have chosen ithe PW engine if it was offered on the 787, and it would probably be the first customer to order a PW powered 787.
If the order is placed now, the first 787 will be delivered in 2009 or 2010. All delivery schedules for 2008 are already filled. Northwest probably picked it to replace the 757's, the oldest one will be 23 years old by the time the first 787 is delivered.
Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium
"Aimer jusqu'a l'impossible, c'est possible". Tina Arena.
Isitsafenow From United States, joined Feb 2004, 4114 posts, RR: 32 Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22189 times:
Maybe they will buy 125 and replace the DC 9 with it.
sorry....just had to do that...
lol
safe
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
NASCARAirforce From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1773 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22156 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 12): Well I'm not a NW insider but I really think the order should be announced sometimes this month, or next month at the latest. It is already the third airline in the SkyTeam allinace that orders the 787, first two are Continental and Korean.
and you know that if Delta had the money they would definitely order it too.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22144 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 12): Northwest probably picked it to replace the 757's, the oldest one will be 23 years old by the time the first 787 is delivered.
According to the FI article "...Northwest is thought to be most interested in the 787-8 version as a replacement for up to 20 DC-10s. The aircraft are likely to be most prominent in its transpacific market..."
NWADC9 From United States, joined May 2004, 4562 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22007 times:
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 16): Northwest is thought to be most interested in the 787-8 version as a replacement for up to 20 DC-10s. The aircraft are likely to be most prominent in its transpacific market..."
Sorry to bust your bubble, but the A330-300's are doing that in the Atlantic, and the A330-200's are doing that in the Pacific.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 21910 times:
Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 17): Sorry to bust your bubble, but the A330-300's are doing that in the Atlantic, and the A330-200's are doing that in the Pacific.
You're not busting my bubble, I merely quoted what the Flight International article said. I don't vouch for the accuracy of their reporting or the quality of their news analysis.
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 21651 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 21): I can't help but wonder if it isn't in Boeing's interest for Airbus to invest in the A350 as it currently stands.
I think we're past that right now. Airbus still hasnt found a CEO, and only has 1 commitment to the A350, as compared to 203 firm orders for the 787. Whether Boeing wants Airbus to build a clean sheet or not, it's too late. Right now all it can do is to snap up as many customers as it can, including Airbus junkies such as NW and QR. Boeing is on the right track, is almost now certainly going to build a 747X that will fit snugly between the 777-300ER and A380. After that, only the 737 is due for a overhaulin', but tht's aways....
AS739X From United States, joined Apr 2003, 4390 posts, RR: 30 Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 21624 times:
This would just make things even more lopsided between the 2 companies. As of right now according to just planes. 787=238 A350=10 (10 Air Europa).......ouch! Wonder if Air Europa is scratching thier head now?
Hope this is true, go NW!
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
27 TPASXM787: Go NWA!!! I hope this is true, I can't wait to fly on one of these beauties!
28 Leelaw: There are 203 announced orders for the 787 with KE's order today: Air China - 15 Air New Zealand -2 All Nippon Airways - 50 Blue Panorama - 4 China E
29 Nudelhirsch: Kids, do we have a rendering? For some reason, I cannot imagin the NWA scheme on a 787... Let me see it...
30 AeroWesty: I wonder why except for the orders for 50 from ANA and JAL, airlines are ordering only 10, 15, or at the most 20 frames at a time when buying the 787.
31 Atmx2000: Well if the Northwest order goes through, Air India order gets confirmed, and QR orders as many aircraft as has been hinted, Boeing will have over 300
32 PHXinterrupted: I wouldn't call this the most important customer so far. Most of the Asian carriers' futures look better than Northwest's. Northwest still hasn't tur
33 Apodino: I just want to suggest that we all take this with a grain of salt until anything official comes out. At this point, this is all rumor and speculation.
34 NYC777: WOW, this is a huge blow for Airbus, they were counting on NW along with EK, EI to help launch the A350. This along with KE (an A330 operator) going t
35 ERJ170: From cardatabase.net... 787-8 livery by Curt Littlejohn.. 787-8 livery by Lachlan Hare..
36 DAYflyer: Do you think it will be a mix of -3 and -8 as a result? Also thanks to those that posted the pics in NW livery, top shot looks spectacular.[Edited 20
37 AeroWesty: Thanks for posting those! As much as I've questioned the overly minimalist approach to NW's current livery, and their use of so much negative space i
38 ERJ170: Some other possible 787 candidates... Curt Littlejohn R P Abraham R P Abraham R P Abraham
39 DAYflyer: Unfortunately I don't think we will ever see this aircraft in US colors. I also do not think that HP will get it. FL is an outside possiblity if they
40 RayChuang: I think at the rate things are going (like Airbus not offering a true A300B/A310 replacement until after 2010), an airline like LH (Lufthansa) that de
41 N79969: LH will save Airbus and the A350 project's bacon. They may lease in a few 787 for a while but ultimately I would bet the Lufthansa will stick with Air
42 Knoxibus: Personnally I am pleased to see that an aircraft of which only a test fuselage piece has been made is already selling like hot cakes. Boeing reacted p
43 Jumbojet: One of these days, when Delta is able to order new aircraft, we all know its going to be the 787. Its only a matter of time. tick, tock......
44 AA737-823: Knoxibus, I am very pleased to see your open-minded approach to matters on both sides of the pond. If you truly are from France, as your little flag s
45 UAMAYBACH1239: I think its safe to say that when and if UA,AA,and DL, regain they're footing the orders for the 787 will be rolling in. I would say this is an absolu
46 Zvezda: Airbus will launch the A350 only if they can secure sufficient launch orders (50 might suffice). If this report is true, then that probability just d
47 Jet-lagged: Well, if this proves true, it is a very important win for Boeing. Good on ya Boeing! Happy circumstances come to you once you get on with something fo
48 Iwok: Lets hope they keep it beautiful. I am still waiting for the latest pictures to come out. -iwok
49 Avek00: Why do you think this? The A350 would not work well as an A300 replacement, but the 787 would.
50 Avek00: The 787 gives NW what it has wanted for years - a 757/763-sized airplane that can fly nonstop from DTW to anywhere in the Pacific Rim and Middle East
52 PM: Let's not get carried away. One or two airlines (AA for sure, DL? UA?) have ended up with more than 100 757s but no airline ever ordered that many (o
53 Ken777: "Personnally I am pleased to see that an aircraft of which only a test fuselage piece has been made is already selling like hot cakes." The 380 racked
54 Zvezda: No, Boeing does not give them away for free, but the production costs are low, so Boeing can profitably sell the B787 for a lower price than Airbus c
55 NYC777: They can always get out of it and order the 787. They only signed and MoU and Airbus hasn't even launched the A350. With the way things are going I'm
56 NDSchu777: Huge win for Boeing! And according to the article, this is also a big win for GE as this would be the first substantial order for a GEnx-powered 787.
57 Daedaeg: Great news for Northwest, Boeing and the 787 program. The folks on the 787 are working overtime like crazy, so kudos to them. I had almost given up on
58 Loggat: Considering the 787 and A350 supposedly are for the same share of the market... how did you come to this conclusion?
59 Leelaw: There is no "free" FI content available online. However, readers can purchase and receive single or multiple issues online.
60 Travellin'man: I wonder what implications this order has for other Skyteam members, specifically AF/KLM.
61 AeroWesty: Naw, I wasn't trying to get carried away (not that that would be anything new here, so I could see how my remarks could be taken that way), but Unite
62 IMatAMS: A lot of people seem to forget that Lufthansa is far from an all-airbus carrier. Just counted, LH owns 94!! Boeing aircraft....109 if you count the M
63 N1120A: Makes sense, as they have some GE (CFM) experience and their SkyTeam partner CO is getting GEnx as well. Remember, NW's last significant order before
64 DeltaWings: The A350 is too big for an A300 replacement. NOW we only need AC to order the 787 soon an the A350 is a goner. Would it be possible to see the 787 in
65 CaptSkibi: I am so thrilled to hear NW ordering the 787. I can't wait to fly her with NW! My chances with CO with the few that they ordered aren't the greatest t
66 LifelinerOne: Nothing... AF-KLM isn't ready to order new planes yet. KLM will be getting it's new A330's this year and the company told in public it would just wai
67 Hirisk: love the 787 in AA colors looks like a silver bullet now if only DL could order some...
69 Ckfred: So, when will AA announce its order? I can't see AA sitting much longer while slots for 2008 through 2012 are filling. Does AA really want to sit on t
70 Hamlet69: Not at all. Remember that the list price for the 787-8 is @ $120 million, while the list price of the proposed A350-800 is @ $150 million. Of course,
71 Jacobin777: actually, this type of technology has been around in their fighter planes for a long time, and that's obviously where they got their ideas to develop
72 Jano: All I can say is that I hope that NWA orders them B787 asap.
73 Ntspelich: I find it hard for anyone to prefer on a/c over another when neither of them have been anything more than pieces of paper on the drawing boards. NTS
74 ERJ170: Parts of the 787 series have already been produce so it is a little farther along than just "anything more than pieces of paper on the drawing boards
75 Donreith: Flight International provides free online access to 7 or 8 articles each week. Their site is usually updated Tuesday morning
76 Byrdluvs747: Is Boeing selling it's planes in US dollars or do they adjust the price to the airlines home currency? If they're selling in US dollars then you would
77 Jano: If they are going to feed each other then it makes sense for NWA to overflow NRT... China Southern Inks New Strategic Partnership with Northwest Airli
78 NYC777: When was the last time LH ordered a Boeing aircraft. It mustbe like 10-15 years ago when they ordered the 744s.
79 ERJ170: Aint it ugly though.. if any airline needed a new livery, Lawd knows its Southwest.. can't they get something more calm.. rather than that loud, eye-
80 Ntspelich: Yes, true. But, either way neither a/c is in a state where folks can get in them, "test them out" and see which is superior. NTS
81 Stirling: I agree 100.1%. But remember my friend....for years, the Northwest Orient tails were nothing but, an one big expanse of negative space! View Large Vi
82 PA110: and 50 years from now, future A.nutters will be posting: When will NW retire those 787s?
83 Leelaw: Donreith is absolutely right, I'd forgotten that my frustration with the editorial choices (skimpiness) in the "free content" led me to breakdown and
84 MGA: I cant find a serios direct link to any articles regarding this issue... does anybody have one?? MGA
85 Sebring: NOW we only need AC to order the 787 soon an the A350 is a goner. ~DeltaWings You think so? I don't. The more Airbus sweats, the more AC likes it, and
86 NorthwestEWR: Now if boeing would just give them a good deal on 717s ( not going to happen ) NW would be set !! Good for you Boeing
87 TinPusher007: Im very proud and happy for Boeing...I knew this plane would do well. But can you just imagine if the "big three" US carriers UA,AA and DL were in hea
88 PSU.DTW.SCE: Interesting how none of the NW "regulars" have mentioned anything on this topic..... Its seems to mostly be the A vs. B people who always get in a pis
89 Avek00: There's no need for that - as long as the manufacturers give detailed specs, any good analytical team can run the numbers and determine which aircraf
90 N60659: For this I would direct you to Reply 13 (by Hamlet69) here: RE: A350 Performance Competitiveness (by Hamlet69 Dec 17 2004 in Civil Aviation) The enti
91 Goodmanr: I think AA will be in a position to think about replacing the A300 before too long...Also, as UA continues to beef up their International service, wi
92 Gigneil: The 7E7-3 can't in any way be construed as a 757 replacement. MAYBE for the 757-300s, but even so that's a 60 seat delta. N
93 MAH4546: I honestly forsee the ordering the 787 within twelve months. It really depends on fuel prices. Hopefully they will at least stabilize.
94 TeamREGAL: Absolutely! LH, AF, and NW are prime examples of this. All three airlines have heavily mixed fleets including the big two: Boeing and Airbus. REGAL
95 Lehpron: It makes sense, A350 is a response aircraft, how many 747A's have been ordered/options against A380, for perspective's sake?
96 TeamREGAL: The two aircraft might essentially be for the same market but you have to remember that the A350 is just about 772-sized, appeasing only a few airlin
97 LON-CHI: It's hard to place an order for a plane that's not being officially offered yet.[Edited 2005-04-11 21:32:53]
98 Shamrock350: Aer Lingus are looking at up to 10-20 longhaul aircraft and seeing as they are a big airbus operator it is looking like a A350 order and well IB could
99 Kellmark: It seems to me that there are three basic advantages for Boeing in this contest. 1. Efficiency. It is obvious that Boeing has a jump on this with a wh
100 STT757: I posted a thread on January 3rd titled "two reasons why NWA will order the 787", it generated alot of discussion. I went out on a limb in January and
101 Galapagapop: ????? How can you think AA's livery is dated? The cheatline is the classiest style scheme around. To bad TG got rid of their long with TAP.... Maybe
102 Boeing7E7: So when you peeps going to admit I was right???? http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1934332/4/ http://www.airliners.
103 Thrust: Boeing has a big victory over Airbus if they have swooned them over with the 787...NW is a valuable Airbus customer. While Airbus may have the A380 to
104 B707Stu: Thanks for the laugh, I was thinking the same thing... I'm sure Airbus will make a big A-350 purchase announcement at the Paris Show, they always sav
105 Byrdluvs747: Because it looks like those old Pioneed Zephyr trains when "Streamlining" everything was the craze. The whole point of not painting the plane was to
106 Boeing7E7: Truth be told, they really only got there because of product availability in a timely manner and a piss poor Douglas replacement product.
107 QFA001: AFAIK, the A350 is virtually guaranteed a launch on the back of UX (10), China (20+) and ILFC (20+). Right. The largest ever order for the B757 is a
108 NW7E7: Ha! I knew it had to come sometime. I have been waiting forever for this news! The 787 will look great in NW livery. This is also good news for the U.
109 IAHTowTeam: I am wondering now....as NW gets rid of their DC9's, DC-10's and replacing those with B787, what are the chances they are trying to simplify their fle
110 Dalecary: True, but the 787 clearly is the better sized craft for AC and appears to be a far better plane than the 350 from the ratio of orders announced/immin
111 N60659: My rough scorecard has the same option numbers you do QFA001. IF KE is a signed and confirmed order, that would put the total at 74 firm and 39 optio
112 PSU.DTW.SCE: PEOPLE!!!!!!! Enough of this A vs. B crap, I'm glad there are so many design engineers on here from Boeing & Airbus. Why don't you guys debate the dia
113 PanAmDC10: Maybe Northwest should give Delta their DC-10's when they get their 787's.
114 NASCARAirforce: Ok, I tend to be more pro Boeing than I am Airbus because I would love to see American workers keep their jobs especially at Boeing since many have lo
115 Jblake1: I don't have access to the Wall Street Journal they posted a article at 5:35pm eastern that NWA is in talks with Boeing on a $2.1 Billon Dollar order
116 PSU.DTW.SCE: Ah, yes but I do have access..... http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...857,00.html?mod=home_whats_news_us In order to stay in compliance with the co
117 M404: Like CO employees were told with their own 787 order, additional concessions will have to be made for it to come to fruition. NW has only completed on
118 Leelaw: The WSJ estimated the value of the deal "at list prices."
119 Hjulicher: In the past NW used to fly to europe, or at least AMS with b744's and DC-10's. Now they use the much smaller A333. Recentyl, I flew on a flight to AMS
120 Gigneil: The A330-300 is quite a bit larger than a DC-10, just FYI. N
121 Lockheed1011: Rest In Peace A350! Excellent choice NW.
123 A330Jamaica: It will be interesting to see the progress of airliner orders as the oil market continually tightens in the coming few years. Should make interesting
124 EA CO AS: Now Airbus fans, if Northwest goes with the 787 don't get too worried since there still are those DC-9s that eventually need to be replaced. I don't t
125 Lufthansa: You guys need to stop with this 200+ order BS for the 787. I don't care what justplanes says, or any other rumour mill for that matter, until the ord
126 Dalecary: Lufthansa, get real mate. There are now 203 commitments from airlines for the 787 which have been announced by Boeing. The process of formally making
127 Boeing7E7: Oh God... Another black helicopter fan. You know, they said the same crap in the 70's and we still aren't as high and I don't see anyone in a gas lin
128 Dynkrisolo: Have you seen an announcement of a Qantas 777-200 order either on Boeing's site or Qantas's site? The track record says all the announcements made on
130 DfwRevolution: Boeing didn't stick up a graphic of a 787 in KE colors, KE did. Boeing has a super-strict policy of not releasing any marketing about an order until
131 A330Jamaica: Go to the sites sir and read what they say. What is being said is not the same as what was said in the 70's where it was claimed we would run out by
132 Sonic67: NW only has patriotism to profit .The decision is most likely based on the better AC (cost vs fuel burn). NW would sell its mother if they could make
133 Carpethead: A330Jamaica, What kind of voodoo magic you working on. Go back to playing with trains. Somebody's got you brainwashed. Sounds like at least DTW-ICN &
134 N1120A: The A333 are used on transatlantics, A332s on transpacific. Both A330s are larger than the 788, while the 789 is about the same size as the A332 thou
135 Future757: Wow I really hope this happens. As a NW and Boeing fan this is great news. I was starting to wonder if NW will ever order another Boeing. Now if we co
136 AirframeAS: Ive heard the same thing just today, but I didnt hear it off this message board. I got an text message off my pager saying that NW got the 787 but I c
137 DLKAPA: Not a single whole section of either airplane have been built yet and you already have a preference?
138 N1120A: It is offered with both the GEnx and the RR Trent 1000, which has so far dominated the sales to this point. The only Boeing widebodies with a single
139 AirframeAS: Im not saying you are wrong, I actually think you are right. But I did read somewhere and I dont remember where I read it but Boeing once said that t
140 QFA001: How many times does it have to be said? The B789 is closer in size to the A333/359 than it is to the A332/358. The B789 is about 6% smaller than the
141 N1120A: There is no thinking about it, there are 2 engines offered. In fact, NH launched the aircraft with the Trent 1000. Same with the 747ADV (which will u
142 N60659: GE is the sole powerplant provider for the 777-200LR (GE90-110B)and 777-300ER (GE90-115B1). You may have been thinking of this.
143 Ntspelich: Yes, true for the airlines which have to buy them. But, as a pax, even an enthusiast that is a passenger, I just find it very hard to determine which
144 Ha763: If NW does order the 787, I fully expect to see them in HNL. I counted 132 Airbus aircraft in the LH fleet. 10-A340-600 30-A340-300 7-A330-300 2-A330-
145 N1120A: Well, if you look at order numbers, something over 75% of the firm orders are RR powered
146 AirframeAS: Yes, now I remember. Thanks for refreshing my memory. I got confused between the two and couldnt remember who had what. Thanks again!
147 Lightsaber: While I hope this is true, am I the only one who wonders why NW is breaking their streak of ordering aircraft well after they have been debugged in s
148 PANAM_DC10: You may wish to direct that statement to Boeing given what they say on their website, that's the information most on this site use. As a member of th
149 Keesje: Perhaps for some this is an opportunity to start reading Boeing press releases very carefully. Look at the wording, find what's left out etc. instead
150 Zvezda: The way things are going, I think 50 years from now we may still be discussing the imminent retirement of NW's DC-9s. I think the B757 replacement wi
151 PANAM_DC10: I do read them, very carefully, at least enough to notice a "Forward Looking Disclaimer" attached to the Primaris Airlines 787 order and enough to no
152 TVCFlyer: correct me if I am wrong... weren't they the NA launch customer for the A320?
153 A388: If this news is really true, congrats to Boeing, a job well done I agree with the others, Airbus will be forced to go back to the drawing boards for t
154 QFA001: Just because NW kept its DC-9s and DC-10s for longer doesn't mean that they don't have a track record of ordering new airplane types: NW signed its f
155 Lightsaber: True. But that's not the same as ordering a new airframe that isn't debugged. Northwest began flying the A320 in 1994 per: http://www.airchive.com/SI
156 TVCFlyer: http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/upclose/1980.shtml From NWA.com: 1989 January 31 Northwest is the launch customer of the world's largest commercial airli
157 PM: Are you certain that the Trent wil be on the ADV? It's rumoured that Boeing will only put one of the GEnx and Trent 1000 on the ADV. True, but it's f
158 Alitalia744: Oddly enough, I wasn't aware of NWA ordering any DC-9's...
159 Jetjack74: They inherited the DC9's from the Republic merger.
160 A999: In fact they purchased a lot of DC-9s other than those from the Republic merger-but secondhand.
161 Azjubilee: PEOPLE! PURGE from your brains this love affair with commonalities! I think it's hilarious that people are so surprised that NWA might actually be int
162 KarlB737: Courtesy: CBS MarketWatch http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo...98%2D4E69%2DB2B9%2D029A1B5AC842%7D
163 Brons2: What quantifies "quite a bit larger"? McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 26 World Business Class 247 Coach 273 Total Airbus A330-300 34 World Business Class
164 Brons2: While the 203 orders may not yet be firm signed contracts, there have been media announcements from both Boeing and the respective airlines, so I'd s
165 Gigneil: Almost 10% larger is quite a bit in airliner terms. N
166 MrComet: I think they've got to have more than 50. If you calculate just development costs over 50 planes, that is 110M per plane. Th cost of building this pl
167 Squirrel83: Here is an Updated Article Posted today ~ Northwest said to be in talks for 787 order Pacific Northwest Boeing Northwest said to be in talks for 787 o
168 N1120A: Yes. The two main launch customers Boeing is targeting are dyed in the wool RR customers (CX and BA, yes I know about the 777s) and given that Boeing
169 QFA001: AFAIK, each of the six China-based airlines are negotiating with the engine OEMs on an individual basis. So, it doesn't look like one or the other OE
170 Boeing7E7: You're assuming the nine abreast seating. In the 2+2+2 F/2+4+2 Y configuration, the aircraft will have 24F/236Y. NW's 757-300's have 24F/200Y so it b
171 Hamlet69: Well, according to Boeing it is $120+ million. From what I understand, it's closer to $125m than $130m. Naturally. I agree with the ANZ and First Cho
172 QFA001: The Boeing Company and Korean Air Lines Co., Ltd. today announced an order for up to 20 Boeing 787 Dreamliners in a deal worth approximately $2.6 bil
173 N77014: Very interesting if all this comes to fruition. Also interesting what this means for NW's int'l hub system. -Will the aircraft open destinations beyon
174 Iwok: http://www.newairplane.com/en-US/787Dreamliner/Customers.htm This is what Boeing is saying, of course, the latest orders are not included. I have been
175 Zvezda: The number needed to launch is not the break-even number. Boeing launched the B787 with orders for 52, but the break-even number is reportedly about
176 PANAM_DC10: Mr Leahy says...... "Objectively, they've got the high ground right now," Leahy said on Tuesday. "I wanted Korean and Northwest." That's the first I'v
177 NYC777: Anyone knows when there will be an offical announcement by NW for the 787?
178 BillElliott9: What is the cargo capacity of the 787? I know the lack of cargo space (due to width) was one of the reasons NW passed on the 767 years ago.
179 ContinentalFan: Fuselage is approximately as wide (or slightly wider) than the Airbus widebody fuselage. The problem w/ the 767 was the inability to take side by sid
180 SFORunner: Boeing: A Comeback in the Air A pending deal with Northwest suggests an aggressive strategy is paying dividends -- and giving rival Airbus a major hea
181 NDSchu777: It's looking like it's practically a done deal with Northwest for the 787 and the GEnx. The Wall Street Journal has an article about it too. http://on
182 Burnsie28: NW choose the 787 over the A350 apparently because Airbus could not guarantee the same type rating for it along with the current NW aircraft. Therefor
183 Daedaeg: It is true that the majority of 787 orders are comfirmed committments. However, considering that over 90% of committments become confirmed orders, it
184 Blackhawk144: Not that anyone probably cares by now, but that actually was a bad statement done by me...sorry about that... I meant that the 787 seems more revolut
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