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QF And NZ B744s Involved In Near Miss Over AKL  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5253 times:
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Over the weekend two B744s, owned by QF and NZ were involved in a near miss while both were landing. QF43 was on an instrument approach when ATC noticed an unidentified aircraft tracking towards QF43's path. NZ124 was descending to 4000 feet

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/495720%3fformat=html

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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2918 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

From the Australian press;

www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12826828-29277,00.html

www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12820464-29277,00.html

Was also reported on the Late News. Typical beat up, lets all panic etc.  Smile It seems like the QF aircraft obeyed all ATC directives and the crew responded to Ground Proximity Alerts as they're trained to.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Who invented the term "near miss"? I'm amazed after all these years that nobody in the media hasn't realized how wrong that term is.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2918 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

The media would much rather tell us all about how two planes almost colliding mid air than tell us two aircraft, operating normally, slightly infringed one anothers space and took corrective action. I suppose good news is no news, but bad news sells newspapers.

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2249 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4847 times:
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Quoting Sydscott (Reply 3):
The media would much rather tell us all about how two planes almost colliding mid air than tell us two aircraft, operating normally, slightly infringed one anothers space and took corrective action. I suppose good news is no news, but bad news sells newspapers.

That is so true. Apparently the QF aircraft was carrying out a normal approach, as was the NZ aircraft. The rules are slightly different while AKL is using the standby runway, and ATC regularly try to squeeze extra movements in where they can. I have witnessed at least a dozen go-arounds in the past week due to aircraft being allowed to line-up as another is on short finals. But you don't see the media giving it to ATC do you???

NZ1


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4698 times:
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ATC are also to blame for heaps of these incidents, but the media never blame ATC but only the crew/airline.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5297 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

The QF aircraft was a 743 VH-EBW and NZ 744 was ZK-NBU.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Yeah well, it is easier to blame it on an individual than on the group of ATC. I am not saying that ATC are crap, they do an outstanding job all over the world, I am just saying, do not blame something solely on one party when it is going to be misleading and obviously misinterpreted by the public.

Good thing is, it was an incident, not an accident.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4502 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
Good thing is, it was an incident, not an accident.

Or else we would have had another Tenerife, Canary Islands disaster, except both 747s this time were landing


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
but the media never blame ATC but only the crew/airline.

Or the aircraft itself... "autopilot/instruments problems"... typical media line... yeah, could reporters be any less specific, please, for the sake of our complete misunderstanding...  sarcastic ...

Cheers,

Y.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

By chance, I was cabin crew on this flight. Nothing out of the ordinary happened during approach.

I don't think the tech crew were even aware of the QF incursion until after the flight - if they were we probably would've been given a debrief.



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