Mindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
I agree with you, but unfortunatly for the summer season 2005, there is no more AF B744 on JFK as it used to be.
AF B742 & B743 pax (I thought that all were already gone) and cargo version are soon to retired with the arrival of additional B773ER.
TGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
Since this summer the CDG-CCS flight is operated by a 744.
It received a water canon salute on its first day of operation arriving in CCS, as it is the only 747 serving CCS on a regular basis.
But regular passengers are less than delighted by the change, as the comfort is lower than in the 332 or 343 which were used before. Especially there is no individual video, and a 3-4-3 layout in Eco is of course worst than a 2-4-2 layout.
Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
USflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 269 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 16): It's weird how routes are being "upgraded" to a 777 from a 747.
It is weird, but in the case of AF they are clearly changing the focus of their 744s to be high density tourist transporters by removing first class (previously 13 seats), reducing the size of business class (previously 58 seats, to be refitted with either 40 or 17, depending on the aircraft), and increasing the capacity of economy (previously 321 seats, to be refitted with 393 or 457 depending on the aircraft). Personal video screens in economy are almost non-existant, with the exception of a few aircraft.
The 742/743 aircraft will not be refitted and are scheduled to be withdrawn from service by 2007.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2960 times:
Quoting USflt1778 (Reply 17): It is weird, but in the case of AF they are clearly changing the focus of their 744s to be high density tourist transporters by removing first class
You are completely correct, and this is clearly demonstrated in the case of Brazil: GIG gets a daily B747 and GRU a daily B777, in other words, the tourist market gets the B747 and the premium market the B777.
They have two of them: F-GETA and F-GETB which is the one shown on the picture you put in your post. They both come from UTA. Air France has never ordered any 300's fresh out of the factory from Boeing. In other words, Boeing has never built a 747-328.
FlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7467 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
1 B747-200 : F-GCBJ. Will be retired in June 2006. only operated now on ORY-RUN.
4 B747-300 : F-GETA, F-GETB, F-BTDG, FBTDH. Ex UTA a/c. operated only on ORY-FDF & ORY-PTP. To be retired from service in 2006.
F-BTDG/H were initially -200 Combi, converted into -300 Combi. After 1993, converted into all PAX a/c
16 B747-400 all PAX :
F-GEXA & F-GEXB, ex-UTA a/c. F-GEXB is an ex-Combi
F-GITG was never taken up by AF and was flown directely from Boeing's airfield to Marana desert. Later sold to Royal Air Maroc and still operated now as CN-RGA
5 ex-Combi :
8 B747-200F + 4 B747-400ERF
During this summer seasons, the AF's B744 fly to :
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
AF will continue to fly the 747-400 for some time because they are perfect for high-traffic summer flying to the USA. That's why during the high season AF flies the 747-400 to SFO, mostly because a lot of French tourists show up at SFO during the summer months on all-inclusive tours.