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CO To Expand Mexico Service From LAX  
User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

CO announced two new Mexico destinations from LAX: Durango and Queretaro. Both with RJ145 equipment.


http://www.continental.com/vendors/d...BD4EE5AE1486D8580C16E7&s=&i=PRNews

I wonder when AM or MX will wake up and smell the coffee...

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User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Sorry, folks; the correct link for the story is:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news/index...story/04-11-2005/0003383997&EDATE=


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

I don't think we've ever had service to Durango, which is weird given that there has always been a big community of people that are of origin to that part of Mexico. I've heard some even go via Houston to get there. I wonder how many international flights arrive at Durango's airport.



 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

So Continental will now fly from LAX to----

Mainline Continental Airlines-
LAX-HNL
LAX-EWR
LAX-CLE
LAX-IAH
LAX-?
Continental Express/Express Jet
LAX-BJX
LAX-MLM
LAX-QRO
LAX-DUR
LAX-

What are the other cities? What am i missing?
And what do you guys think will be next?

Take Care, CAL


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

It's odd Continental would have flights to Mexico from another airport than one of their hubs: IAH, EWR, CLE.
For CLE I'm not sure if that CLE > CUN service is seasonal or not.
There may be a Laredo > MEX flight too.
Sometime ago they flew SAT > MEX, MSY > MEX and even MSY > CUN (need confirmation).
I Wouldn't know if with those Embraer RJ they're flying or plan to fly out of AUS, SAT, MSY to MEX, CUN, GDL, MTY.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

They still fly SAT-MEX and MFE-MEX with COEX daily.


CAL........Continental Airlines....... Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6158 times:

Interesting new routes, but I'm still waiting for the day that CO is declared the official flag carrier of Mexico  Wink .

User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

Im still waiting to see who recives the LAX-MEX routes.


CAL........Continental Airlines....... Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Quoting CAL (Reply 7):
Im still waiting to see who recives the LAX-MEX routes.

The same here. I wonder if the DOT has a timeline for this. In the meantime, only one US carrier flying the route.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

Ok, LAX-QRO is a looooong flight for an ERJ... 3 hours inside the ERJ should be quite an experience!!

By the way, did anyone notice that both, the LAX-QRO and LAX-DGO are red-eye flights!!! CO will give more use to their ERJ's by sending them to LAX overnight.

IAH-QRO 17:50 - 20:19
QRO-LAX 20:50 - 23:30
LAX-QRO 00:25 - 06:00
QRO-IAH 06:50 - 09:00

CO's strategy is to reduce costs by increasing aircraft utilization. Interesting! Good way to compete in the Mexican market. Lets see if they are successful...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting CAL (Reply 7):
Im still waiting to see who recives the LAX-MEX routes.

We should know in 2-3 months. It won't be Continental though. It is going to be either American or Alaska, most likely the latter.



a.
User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
We should know in 2-3 months. It won't be Continental though. It is going to be either American or Alaska, most likely the latter.

I agree, I think its going to go to Alaska



CAL........Continental Airlines....... Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

CO could add several more ERJ flights from LAX to places in Baja and Central Mexico.

A few places that come to mind are Loreto, La Paz, Los Mochis, Culiacan, Guaymas, Hermosillo, Chihuahua, Aguascaliente, Tolouca.

In regards to LAX-MEX, I'd agree with MAH4546, AS and AA are the front runners with the best cases.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9828 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Wow having a red eye flight on an RJ is horrible. It is nice to have a nonstop connection between the cities, and there probably is demand. Unfortunately it is a long RJ flight that is hard on the passengers and crew as well. However since this is a market not currently served, and late night flights to Mexico are rather common, it should work out. If CO can make it, then it is great for them. A nice extra source of revenue for a plane that would normally sit and do nothing and they will save the passengers time because they don't have to transfer in MEX, or IAH or elsewhere.


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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

The fact that these flights are red-eyes is natural, popular, and profitable for this market (Mexicana should know). They are targeting the Mexican ethnic traveler, which by culture favors these hours for travel back home. Durango will be a hit, there is enough customer base in California without doubt. Queretaro will probably be used by people headed towards the so
sorounding areas and avoid MEX. Co Ex, must be seeing great results in QRO!

Interesting that you mentioned that Laxint, because as a matter of fact, I was talking to my best friend's friend, who is a F/A for Continental, and who just transfered his domicile from Texas to LA, because he said that CO needed more Spanish speaking F/A's based in LAX for its flights to Mexico. At the time, it didn't hit me, but now I see that CO has some big plans in the works just as you state.

And Like, JoseMex states, Not Mexicana, but when will AeroMexico wake up and smell the coffee. They can open such routes through their affiliate AeroLitoral. Not to criticize, but I think they're just letting too many good opportunities go to others.

  LatinPlane

[Edited 2005-04-12 03:21:42]

[Edited 2005-04-12 03:22:57]
edited for typos!

[Edited 2005-04-12 03:28:39]

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

CO are just brilliant.

The 757 micro-strategy to Europe, all the international expansion, their high RJ utilization on redeye flights to Mexico...

Sigh, why can't UA be as much of a superstar as them? I'm serious here.

How about deploying some of those new CR7s to Mexico, UA?  Smile


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 14):
And Like, JoseMex states, Not Mexicana, but when will AeroMexico wake up and smell the coffee. They can open such routes through their affiliate AeroLitoral. Not to criticize, but I think they're just letting too many good opportunities go to others.

What do you expect of two airlines (AM and MX) who do not know what Revenue Management is!!!

Quoting UA744Flagship (Reply 15):
Sigh, why can't UA be as much of a superstar as them? I'm serious here.

Because it involves a strategy and a step by step implementation. CO trusted the Mexican market. The others didn't. I actually had an interview for revenue management with AA, where I stated my ideas of profitable flights to Mexico using RJs. They said that CO will fail badly... after some time, AA started adding flights to Mexico, because they saw CO's success!!


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5645 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 16):
Because it involves a strategy and a step by step implementation. CO trusted the Mexican market. The others didn't. I actually had an interview for revenue management with AA, where I stated my ideas of profitable flights to Mexico using RJs. They said that CO will fail badly... after some time, AA started adding flights to Mexico, because they saw CO's success!!

AA tried Puebla from DFW and was a failure then, maybe now with smaller aircraft AA could try to fly to the most attractive CO destinations in Mexico from their DFW hub.

Aslo on a related note about AA and CO flights to Mexico, before 9/11 it was very common for latinamericans to fly via IAH or DFW to MTY and other northern mexican cities only to avoid going thru inmigration/customs in MEX and the domestic connections.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 17):

AA tried Puebla from DFW and was a failure then, maybe now with smaller aircraft AA could try to fly to the most attractive CO destinations in Mexico from their DFW hub.

They already are. They launched Torreon this past August and San Luis Potosi this past January. They are launching Chihuahua, next month, and Veracruz in July. More are coming...



a.
User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1963 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

There may be a Laredo > MEX flight too.

There is, I was on it last month.

Eagle is denting COEX loads into SLP and TRC, quite a bit of competition down there now.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 17):
AA tried Puebla from DFW and was a failure then, maybe now with smaller aircraft AA could try to fly to the most attractive CO destinations in Mexico from their DFW hub.

Actually, MQ has been increasing its presence in Mexico with flights from DFW using ERJ's. They now serve CUU (Chihuahua), TRC (Torreon), SLP (San Luis Potosi) and AGU (Aguascalientes), MTY, GDL and BJX.

As you said, the problem with AA in PBC wase the F100. For the revenue management done by AA, the F100 was too much for PBC, and they started with two flights, then reduced to one. They could only fill the aircraft to the point where the elasticity of the demand allow it, which was not more than half of the plane.

It is amazing that Aerolineas Internacionales had full flights from CVG(Cuernavaca) using B727's and, after they failed, MX could not even fill an F100. The problem: MX had higher costs and fares were too high up to the point where it was easier, cheaper and more convenient to take a bus from Cuernavaca's bus station to Benito Juarez airport and then fly...


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting CAL (Reply 7):
Im still waiting to see who recives the LAX-MEX routes.

Like has been said, AA or AS are the dead on front runners.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 9):
By the way, did anyone notice that both, the LAX-QRO and LAX-DGO are red-eye flights!!! CO will give more use to their ERJ's by sending them to LAX overnight.

First, these are not CO's ERJs but XJ's. Secone, these red-eyes are called tecalotes by Mexicans and are used to connect to bus services into smaller communities that often take several hours. They are very popular and indeed a good use of an aircraft.

Quoting UA744Flagship (Reply 15):
CO are just brilliant.

The 757 micro-strategy to Europe, all the international expansion, their high RJ utilization on redeye flights to Mexico...

I agree with the 75B stuff, but remember, CO is paying XJ to run the RJ flights for them.

Quoting UA744Flagship (Reply 15):
How about deploying some of those new CR7s to Mexico, UA?

Well, talk to OO about that.



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
First, these are not CO's ERJs but XJ's. Secone, these red-eyes are called tecalotes by Mexicans and are used to connect to bus services into smaller communities that often take several hours. They are very popular and indeed a good use of an aircraft.

First, CO flights from LAX will be on ERJ's. True, they are the XJ version (Extra Long Range) but that does not mean they are not ERJ's. You don't say that PIA will get an LR. You say PIA will get a B777 or a B777-200LR if you want to be more specific.

Second, the correct word is "Tecolote", not "Tecalote" and Mexicans do not call red-eye flights like that. True, MX's red-eye flights used to be called "Tecolotes", but not any more. Only airline staff still calls the red-eye flights "Tecolotes" thanks to the old days. You can go to LAX and ask a group of Mexican people flying a Mexicana red-eye if they are flying a "Tecolote" flight and they will laugh at you. The reason for this flights was better aircraft utilization times and nothing else!


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5516 times:
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we're forgetting MTJ seasonal service.....i would like to see SAT back, but now UA has entered the market.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 22):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
First, these are not CO's ERJs but XJ's. Secone, these red-eyes are called tecalotes by Mexicans and are used to connect to bus services into smaller communities that often take several hours. They are very popular and indeed a good use of an aircraft.

First, CO flights from LAX will be on ERJ's. True, they are the XJ version (Extra Long Range) but that does not mean they are not ERJ's. You don't say that PIA will get an LR. You say PIA will get a B777 or a B777-200LR if you want to be more specific.

No, what I was saying is that the ERJs that will be flying these flights do not belong to CO. They belong to Express Jet, ICAO code BTA, which is only part owned by CO and operates the flights for them on a FPD basis. Also, they are not the XJ version, they are the EMB-145XR.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 22):
Second, the correct word is "Tecolote", not "Tecalote" and Mexicans do not call red-eye flights like that. True, MX's red-eye flights used to be called "Tecolotes", but not any more. Only airline staff still calls the red-eye flights "Tecolotes" thanks to the old days

Thanks for the spelling correction, there is actually a restaurant in my home town called El Tecolote, and I was too lazy to look up the spelling. Still, I know quite a few people in Southern California who still call the flights Tecolotes.



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25 Post contains images Latinplane : Yeah, that's a term invented by Mexicana in the 80s. Though, it was a way to increase aircraft utilization, it became the norm of travel to Mexico for
26 KAUSpilot : By the way, I was wondering, since CO is using these aircraft to Mexico during the night, where are they being flown to during the day, since CO Ex do
27 N1120A : They are rotating them in from Mexico. They go Regional Feed-IAH-Mexico-LAX-Somewhere else in Mexico.
28 MasseyBrown : For those with no Spanish, a "tecolote" is an owl. It's not the kind of exciting perjorative you probably were hoping for.
29 N1120A : Most of the flights are narrowbodies, 757s and 737s. There is 1 764 per day on the route
30 Post contains images Theredbaron : Mexican market is a really weird one.... Example: Most of mexican public will prefer a smaller (100 to 200 pax) airplane than a 767 or a Dc-10 or even
31 Rojo : Well, you should have said BTA, because IATA code XJ belongs to Mesaba Aviation Inc. and there is no way the ERJ's could belong to Mesaba and operate
32 Post contains images N405MX : And MX pulled out of DGO because it wasn´t profitable..... That´s true, time ago MEX-MTY operated in DC-10´s, but now only bus (because passengers
33 777gk : This is the next phase of our Mexico ERJ expansion. IAH is 85% done, or better, with only a few cities left on the list that we haven't at least attem
34 Rojo : My point with the Aerolineas Internacionales example was the price sensitivity of passengers. It is well known how Aerolnternacionales got the money
35 CALMSP : do we still own the rights for ELP/SAN-MEX?
36 AM744 : Well, they're not that stupid... though we can`t say the same about the agent. Fact is that MX and AM are way more friendly dealing with all those ti
37 2travel2know : Since CO alreadly is using its planes for some Mexico - LAX - Mexico nightflights, it won't come as a surprise to see CO flights from other mexican -
38 AeroMexico767 : American Eagle flies DFW-AGU-DFW since 3 years ago, MQ reduced flights from daily service to 3x or 4x per week, but during summer and winter the servi
39 N1120A : CO is not allowed to fly CUN or GDL to LAX because there are already 2 American Flag Carriers on those routes. As for MTY, it appears only 6A is goin
40 Post contains links FATFlyer : LatinPlane, just an update for you. Mexicana's service to FAT is taking longer to get off the ground than hoped. Getting the inspection problems work
41 777gk : From what I've been told, future LAX expansion will be strictly to Mexico with COEX. On the list for new service are cities (some we don't even serve
42 2travel2know : It'll be quite strange if CO would choose to fly to ONT instead of LAX even if there may be no US carriers flying those routes from main mexican and
43 Ghost77 : Take this with a grain of salt... I've been told that COEX will pull out from LAX-BJX, LAX-AGU, LAX-MLM by July 06. Reason: They couldn't fight with M
44 2travel2know : This is a good reason for CO and COEX to start looking for alternatives for LAX in the LA area.
45 Laxintl : CO has in the past tried Central America from LAX. If I remember correctly they have entered and withdrawn from the market twice during the 80s and 9
46 STT757 : Why would they announce yesterday that they are doubling their service to Mexico from LAX if they were planning on pulling out in July?
47 Ghost77 : AFAIK they'll expand to NEW cities from LAX. Being those, DGO (Durango) and QET (Querétaro) and I've been told about possibilities of opening PBC (P
48 Klwright69 : OK, here is the question to the all the Mexican posters here. I thought "buho" and "lechuza" meant owl. I don't recall CO ever serving GUA from LAX.
49 STT757 : '88-'90 CO flew LAX-SAL-GUA, they brought back the LAX-SAL flight once or twice in the late '90s.
50 CALMSP : we are filling these flights almost daily from LAX....dont look for us to pull out anytime soon!!!!
51 Post contains images CORULEZ05 : excellent news. Although I am bias because of the obvious, I am glad there is another airline that is not a mexican carrier expanding in Mexico. Conti
52 CALMSP : well CORULEZ05..............we have more surprises in store for ya!!
53 AeroMexico767 : If I am not wrong and If I didn't missunerstood these, MX doesn't have service between LAX-AGU and LAX-MLM (not sure)
54 Rojo : AeroMexico is the airline flying AGU-LAX-AGU
55 N77014 : Take this with a grain of salt... I've been told that COEX will pull out from LAX-BJX, LAX-AGU, LAX-MLM by July 06. Reason: They couldn't fight with M
56 Post contains images Lightsaber : Ok, CO seems bound and determined to prove me wrong on my opinion of 50 seat RJs! Seriously, they seem very clever at finding new routes for them. Hm
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