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Two New Louisiana Airlines: Update  
User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

They had a nice article in this morning's Times Picayune talking about the proposed "DirectAir" and the up-and-coming "Louisiana Airways".

Bascailly it said that DirectAir will not look for any state loans until they have a 50-plane fleet. It said Boeing 737-300's or MD-80's are being looked at. Fares will be low...$50 one-way to ATL, $78 to CUN, etc. They would ultimetely serve 50+ cities in the U.S, Canada, Caribbean, and Central America.

Louisiana Airways is in the process of getting FAA approval to begin intrastate flights by June or July using Beech 1900D's. First flights will be SHV to BTR and NOL (not MSY, NOL).

Here's the link:

http://www.nola.com/business/t-p/ind.../base/money-2/1113285339151750.xml

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
Louisiana Airways is in the process of getting FAA approval to begin intrastate flights by June or July using Beech 1900D's. First flights will be SHV to BTR and NOL (not MSY, NOL).

NEW (NEW is the code for Lakefront, Steve) was mentioned in the original statements by Louisiana Airways. Would be easier than MSY (not that MSY is all that difficult). They are apparently looking to run from the FBOs, not main terminals



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User currently offlineNbgskygod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Would be nice to see some real passenger traffic go through the terminal building at NEW.


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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Hate to change the subject, but how are the MSY-RDU flights doing on Delta Connection? That could be a reference if DirectAir would attempt the route..


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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

N1120a, stupid mistake on my part. I was still in my Amtrak frame of mind, as NOL is Amtrak's city code for New Orleans. Oh well.

Lakefront Airport has a gorgeous old terminal and a great restaurant called the Flight Deck dining room which is basically right over the tarmac.

ERJ, MSY-RDU seems to be doing very well, flights are consistently full!


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
DirectAir will not look for any state loans until they have a 50-plane fleet

A show of hands, please, of those who think 50 planes will ever happen.....I didn't anyone would raise their hand. I didn't.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
They are apparently looking to run from the FBOs, not main terminals

That would get them around the security requirements at each airport.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineBjg231 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

I wonder if they're considering LCH in the near future. With the seven casinos operating in the area, it's really underserved. Expressjet has a virtual monopoly, charging double what it costs to fly into Lafayette or BTR while only offering service to IAH.


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 5):
A show of hands, please, of those who think 50 planes will ever happen.....I didn't anyone would raise their hand. I didn't.

Hello Tom in NO, good to see you on the forum.

Just what we need....more overcapacity. Using MD-80/90 series? Not very fuel efficient or cost effective.



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Is there really that much pent-up demand in Louisiana?

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
Bascailly it said that DirectAir will not look for any state loans until they have a 50-plane fleet.

Why should they look for state loans at all? Why does this sound like Air South (a/k/a "Bubbaflot") all over again?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 4):
N1120a, stupid mistake on my part. I was still in my Amtrak frame of mind, as NOL is Amtrak's city code for New Orleans. Oh well.

Hey, no worries. I saw you working your ass off at the F9 counter yesterday after the DEN blizzard while I was picking up my friend. Funny thing about that Amtrak thing, as I initially tried NEW before I just typed "New Orleans" and NOL popped up.

BTW, when will they build that damn Airport/Commuter train. Would beat the hell out of 10 or Airline.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 4):
a great restaurant called the Flight Deck dining room which is basically right over the tarmac.

Well, thanks for telling me Steve. We should check it out. I have not actually been out to NEW yet



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 8):
Why should they look for state loans at all?

The state is being more conservative with its spending these days, especially since Kathleen Blanco assumed the governor's chair (ie Saints yearly $15 million payment being renegotiated). I would imagine that it would take more than a lot of persuasion for the state to cough up money for such a venture.

And Miller's comment about it being up to the state to show some interest before he pursues anything definitive goes to show how much of his thinking is wishful.

Then there are numerous capacity issues here at MSY (terminal, gate, and ramp space; runway issues) that would need to be addressed before such an operation could begin.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

What was the name of the Louisiana intra-State carrier that flew back in the mid 80's? It had a fleur-di-lis on the tail? Some guy in Baton Rouge owned it?

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Royale Airlines

ttp://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usc/misc/r/royale/gal/oqgal.htm


User currently offlineMidway2AirTran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

While I still support new start-ups, I still have my doubts on this one from what I've seen so far. The last post I saw on this plan included the info. that the plan pretty much relys on O & D with not many opportunities for connections. O & D traffic is where the real LCC money comes from but is there really that much down there to support that many aircraft in combination with the competition in place?? Starting big might be a good idea, but it may take a pretty good sized marketing budget unless you've got some good outlets that passengers just run across it on the low fares.

I am open to be proven wrong on my conclusion. But this seems to be a rather haphazard plan from what I've seen so far. If this becomes anywhere closer to reality I wish them luck!



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

N1120A, I'm off Tuesdays and Wednesdays, I'd be glad to take a ride out to NEW with you. I used to go there a lot when I was a kid and i;m kind of curious to see what it is like now...probably the same!

As for that commuter train between the N.O CBD and MSY, apparently the mayor is going to really push for it shortly. It would be highly patronized if done correctly.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14):
N1120A, I'm off Tuesdays and Wednesdays, I'd be glad to take a ride out to NEW with you. I used to go there a lot when I was a kid and i;m kind of curious to see what it is like now...probably the same!

Wednesday is the better day, as I am pretty free on Wednesday. Man, with those days off, you must have crap for senority Sad

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14):
As for that commuter train between the N.O CBD and MSY, apparently the mayor is going to really push for it shortly. It would be highly patronized if done correctly.

I totally agree. According to our favorite SST lover, the line would go from MSY through Metairie, making a few stops along the way to Union. That would be a great way to relieve traffic on the 10. Considering how baddly engineered the on and off ramps are in the NO metro area, namely Causeway and Clearview, this would take some of the Metairie-NO traffic off the road and leave the road open for those coming in from the Causeway. Hell, even those could park and train it the rest of the way. Would also make the airport a lot easier, as at high traffic times it can be a nightmare.



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

N1120A, I'm actually #3 in seniority at the station, having been there since 2/03. Alas, I still don't get the "good" days off. We've had such a high turnover rate of employment here, I doubt i'll ever see a Friday off, let alone a Saturday. But I'm not complaining, midweek is a great time to travel, loads are light. Big grin

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 16):
I'm actually #3 in seniority at the station, having been there since 2/03. Alas, I still don't get the "good" days off. We've had such a high turnover rate of employment here, I doubt i'll ever see a Friday off, let alone a Saturday. But I'm not complaining, midweek is a great time to travel, loads are light.

So, you ahead of or behind the rather crabby dude who has the position next to your's  scratchchin . Given what I have seen at F9, you guys seem to be doing well at MSY most days of the week.



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

I only have two women ahead of me, i'm ahead of all the guy's. And yeah, we see load factors in the mid to high 80% range year round. Makes perfect sense that they are going down to one flight right? LOL.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

This will never fly. The Southeast Louisiana economy can't support a significant jet hub operation at MSY.

As far as large amounts of connecting traffic, i don't see that either. MSY is too far south to be a really efficient connecting point. California to/from Florida markets would work well, but that's about it.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

I don't think it would be a total success. I could see the interstate flights working, as it is a haul from MSY (and to an extent, BTR) to get to SHV and MLU, and with the BE1's low operating costs, I think a few timely departures could make a profit.

As for the airport, where would they put them? The only open gates I can remember are maybe a couple in C and some Southwest gates. No where near enough to get a 50 plane fleet in gear. Even if the BE1 airline chose MSY over NEW (I haven't been to NEW, but I've seen it from Lake Shore Dr, and it is very nice looking), they could take A2/A4 (the former USX gates).

Only 21 days until I'm back in the Crescent City (only for a day this time; land on the 0833 from CLT, and out on the 1920 to CLT that night; I've got to be in MCO the next day). I'm still looking forward to at least having a beignet at Cafe du Monde.

Jeff


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18):
And yeah, we see load factors in the mid to high 80% range year round. Makes perfect sense that they are going down to one flight right?

Well, makes as much sense as the business plan of the carrier you share DEN with. Big grin

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 19):
MSY is too far south to be a really efficient connecting point. California to/from Florida markets would work well, but that's about it.

It is perfectly placed for an East Coast-Central America hub and as a South American hub.

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 19):
The Southeast Louisiana economy can't support a significant jet hub operation at MSY.

I beg to differ there. The massive amounts of cargo, the major rail hub and massive O&D all can support a hub at MSY. Remember, New Orleans is the regional transport base for southern Mississippi and Alabama, part of the Florida Panhandle, as well as most of LA.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 19):
The Southeast Louisiana economy can't support a significant jet hub operation at MSY.

I beg to differ there. The massive amounts of cargo, the major rail hub and massive O&D all can support a hub at MSY.

You are mistaken. In the past, other carriers have tried to hub or focus at MSY and but have never been viable for long. (All of this occured after the collapase of the Louisiana oil industry in the early 80's.) There was PrideAir, Muse Air/Transtar, Continental's competitive match to Muse/Transtar, Royale, Air New Orleans and USAir's intra-Louisiana service, all of which were unable to operate profitably. Until the oil economy returns to Louisiana, don't look for MSY to ever be a viable air hub.

As for all "massive amounts of cargo" going through New Orleans....that's on the Mississippi River, not through the International Airport.

I'm from New Orleans. It would be great if it were an air transportation hub. But until the economy becomes robust here again, we will always be dependent on ATL, DFW and IAH for connections.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 22):
There was PrideAir, Muse Air/Transtar, Continental's competitive match to Muse/Transtar, Royale, Air New Orleans and USAir's intra-Louisiana service, all of which were unable to operate profitably.

You have pointed out under funded or ill-concieved examples of carriers, all of which did not have good business models. I am talking about an actual regional air hub which would work, if MSY had the facilities to do it (which it doesn't)

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 22):
As for all "massive amounts of cargo" going through New Orleans....that's on the Mississippi River, not through the International Airport.

I am well aware of the cargo on the river. And if it has to go somewhere else, it can go by air



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 22):
Until the oil economy returns to Louisiana, don't look for MSY to ever be a viable air hub.

You can't expect the oil economy to ever come back...many of the white collar oil-related jobs have jumped ship from N.O to Houston. Why would they come back? New Orleans still has sizeable offices for Shell and ChevronTexaco in addition to several successful local companies...the city just needs to do what it can to keep those...taking jobs from H-Town ain't gunna happen! The New Orleans region now has a more diversified economy which does not depend on one industry alone. In addition to tourism and port-related businesses, the medical field is thriving in New Orleans, with an ever expanding downtown medical district, including the new $30 million BioInnovation Center which will be complete by 2007. The New Orleans economy isn't as bad as some think it is.


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