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AZ To Upgrade MXP-IAD Route To MD11!  
User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

Horray!! AZ will upgauge from 767 to MD11 on MXP/IAD/MXP route starting 01MAY! This will be our only MD11 service by a reg. sched. airline at IAD!! Effective 22SEP it goes back to the 767, so obviously, it's just for high season.

[Edited 2005-04-13 20:38:46]


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User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

OVERSIGHT: meant to say MD-11 COMBI, and that (as far as I know) this will be only MD-11 service since U.S. AFRICA AIRWAYS went out of business back in early 90s.

[Edited 2005-04-13 21:39:25]


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2924 times:

Awsome!!!!!


I need to get myself over to IAD before Sept 22 to catch this bird, this plane has to be my favortie plane ever! (Well, you could probaly tell from my name)

Now I just wish they would send the MD-11 to EWR or JFK!


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I am going to MXP on Friday and I hope to see the AZ MD-11s!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32880 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2913 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
I am going to MXP on Friday and I hope to see the AZ MD-11s!

No plural. There is only one, and, IIRC, it is currently not operating any scheduled flights.



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User currently offlineNamaskar From Switzerland, joined Dec 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2899 times:

Quoting CATHAY747 (Reply 1):
OVERSIGHT: meant to say MD-11 COMBI,

I though Combi aircraft are not permitted to the US??!!


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2893 times:

Existing ones are.

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User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2871 times:

Combi's not allowed to U.S.?? Why? This is a news flash to me.

The schedule in Amadeus shows M1M, so unless AZ loaded an incorrect type code, yes, it will be a Combi.

TD1MAYIADMXP/AAZ
** AMADEUS - TD ** MXP MALPENSA.IT 01MAY05 08MAY05
1 AZ 623 X13 IAD MXP 1 1650 0710+1 0 01MAY05 21MAY05 M1M 8:20
2 AZ 623 3 IAD MXP 1 1650 0710+1 0 04MAY05 04MAY05 M1M 8:20



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User currently offlineNamaskar From Switzerland, joined Dec 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2850 times:

Maybe Gigneil can explain the details further, but I recall reading on these boards that it had to do with US not allowing aircraft on which pax and cargo are on the same deck in case fire breaks out in the cargo hold

User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2832 times:

Existing Combis are allowed to fly to the US, the FAA simply will not certify any new models.

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2830 times:

Yeah no NEW Combis are allowed... with a moveable wall that is... they have to have some sort of re-inforced wall which adds a lot to weight, so many airlines are just opting for seperate cargo and pass aircraft... mostly screwed by this are KLM 744Fs and Alaska 732Cs... Alaska however is converting some of their 734s to Combis WITH the reinforced wall, for intra-alaska routes replacing the 732s... while KLM i believe has no real plan yet, neither do they have to have one for awhile i believe

if anyone can inform me about KLM that would help

TWA902



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting CATHAY747 (Reply 1):
...this will be only MD-11 service since U.S. AFRICA AIRWAYS went out of business ...


I remember flying IAD-ZRH on Swissair on a 330, but I found this photo in the database.
Perhaps this was an equipment substitution , not regular service ?

(EDITED for clarity)


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
No plural. There is only one, and, IIRC, it is currently not operating any scheduled flights.

Sorry buddy, you're wrong. There are currently at least 3 combi's operating, and on scheduled flights...currently from MXP-DEL and MXP-BOM!

I-DUPI
I-DUPO
I-DUPE

are all currently operating!

Better luck next-time.



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

What is the pax capacity compared to the B767? With the freight hold in the back, is there a noticeable increase in available seats on the MD-11?

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

So there for I might be able to see IIRC at MXP (not in motion)


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User currently offlineLxsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

I think it's not an upgrade in terms of pax capacity

M1M Alitalia : 204 seats (30 C + 174 Y)
767 "standard" Alitalia : 214 seats (25 C + 189 Y)
(at the moment there are also 2 767 ex-GJ in 258 seats configuration)

Bye


User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 9):
Yeah no NEW Combis are allowed... with a moveable wall that is... they have to have some sort of re-inforced wall which adds a lot to weight, so many airlines are just opting for seperate cargo and pass aircraft... mostly screwed by this are KLM 744Fs and Alaska 732Cs... Alaska however is converting some of their 734s to Combis WITH the reinforced wall, for intra-alaska routes replacing the 732s... while KLM i believe has no real plan yet, neither do they have to have one for awhile i believe

I would be interesting to know if these new regulations will have any impact on the sales of the 747ADV. I sure hope this plane gets off the ground, and I doubt that offering a combi version would hurt.

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Thanks to TWA902fly, I didn't know that!!

To WestWing, AS FAR AS I CAN RECALL [emphasis, not screaming], that would have been an equip. substitution.

To anyone, what is "IIRC" ??

To LXsaab2000, quite right, because it's a Combi, it's actually LESS pax capacity, in Steerage, just a bigger airplane. But 5 more seats in Magnifica Class. Curious, eh?

Hey, while I'm here, can anyone tell me what the broad black "stripes" are that I see on some airliner wings, that run from the leading edge back, but not all the way to the trailing edge? I noticed it first with TWA's last livery, and have seen them on some other airlines now, too, although I can't recall this early in the morning who. What are they for? A "do not walk past this line" thing?



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User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 783 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

The swiss MD-11 was not the regular equipment on the Swiss flight to IAD. We would usually find out about it from Swiss's web sight (it used to show reg #'s) or the flight trackers.

Quoting CATHAY747 (Reply 16):
To anyone, what is "IIRC" ??

"If I Recall Correctly"

Quoting CATHAY747 (Reply 16):
what the broad black "stripes" are that I see on some airliner wings, that run from the leading edge back, but not all the way to the trailing edge?

They help the crew to see ice buildup on the wing.

Sunil


User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

THANK YOU SunilGupta!!!! Very interesting about the black bands.


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