2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3147 times:
It doesn't have the size of those big hubs in the States, but CM's PTY may be quite profitable, even if they do lack many services to the non-spanish speaking Caribbean, some regional destinations and a number of North- and Southamerican destinations.
RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
I would wager to say that DL's ATL hub makes more money than any other U.S. hub...only because DL has more flights at ATL than any other airline has at its hub in the world. Someone once told me they have like 850+ mainline flights a day there...that's sick...then add in all the DLC flights.
Quoting Cltguy (Reply 1): For USAirways it has been noted in a number of paper's that Charlotte (CLT) is their most profitible hub.
I haven't heard that...but I do know that CLT is USAir's lowest cost hub, so this isn't surprising. I would've guessed PHL before WN came along!
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Do you have a link? Not to question (too much), but I would have guessed LAS. Generally, you don't CUT service from your most profitable hub (unless forced to, e.g., govt taking slots). Sorry, but with the cuts and reduced service/staff at DAL, I'm really doubting this one... But I'd be happy to be proven wrong!
Don't forget that connections dilute yield. And despite ORD being their largest hub they face competition from AA as well as just about every other airline in the country and many in Europe and Asia as well. Plus the LCCs down the road at MDW. ORD is their largest hub but also probably the one with the most connections which, again, dilute yield. I think you'll find that with most airlines the hubs that have a healthy amount of connecting traffic but also a strong and loyal O&D market along with a relative lack in LCC competition will be the most profitable hubs for the airlines.
As a result my guesses are:
AA-DFW. Wright amendment keeps WN out and there's very little in the way of LCC competition, DL have just dropped their hub, and there is a HUGE population base along with great connections)
DL-ATL. C'mon. It's the ultimate in global hubs. Yes, FL has their main base of ops but they can't hold a candle to DL in terms of operations. Not much in the way of foreign competition that isn't somehow linked to DL. The only ones I can think of are LH and BA. Almost every other interational airline at ATL have links to DL. A wealthy and large population base give ATL quite of bit of O&D)
UA- As dicussed...DEN. Another wealthy, large city, great network, only BA for foreign competition. F9 provides healthy competition, but their route network is nowhere near as extensive.
CO-EWR. One reason, and one reason only...New York!
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SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3527 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
Quoting LH423 (Reply 16): Don't forget that connections dilute yield. And despite ORD being their largest hub they face competition from AA as well as just about every other airline in the country and many in Europe and Asia as well. Plus the LCCs down the road at MDW. ORD is their largest hub but also probably the one with the most connections which, again, dilute yield. I think you'll find that with most airlines the hubs that have a healthy amount of connecting traffic but also a strong and loyal O&D market along with a relative lack in LCC competition will be the most profitable hubs for the airlines.
DEN is UA's biggest connecting hub as DEN has no way near the amount of O&D that ORD does. Also, UA's presence at ORD has steadily declined from some 430 mainline flights in 1999 to the less than 300 that they currently have.
In terms of overall revenue:
1. DL @ ATL - By far the highest revenue US hub. With nearly 1,100 daily movements between DL and DL Connection to nearly 200 destinations, with over 150 widebody flights, this is the ULTIMATE airline hub. With the large O&D and hundreds of connecting opportunities, DL could serve nearly every sizeable US city from ATL.
2. CO @ EWR - I saw this statistic not too long ago. CO's EWR hub has a higher revenue than AA at DFW, which was reported in 2003, this may have changed since AA's large DFW buildup. NYC has the highest O&D of any US city, and with CO being the only carrier with a hub it makes for a pretty big premium.
3. AA @ DFW - This is probably the only other SUPERHUB in the world besides DL @ ATL. Though AA's DFW hub isn't as large as DL's, it's grown to be massive with huge numbers of connecting passengers and O&D.
Now most profitable hub is harder to predict, now airline hubs are currently profitable.
ORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
I'd be curious to see the data that DEN is United's most profitable hub. At an aviation conference last October several aviation analysts said DEN was one of United's weakest hubs and that it was expected to see mainline cuts. Sure enough, a few months later it saw the bulk of the domestic reductions.