Ripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11892 times:
A dead guy was found on AA FLT#154 NRT-ORD in the bathroom. Report says that a 62yoa person was found dead in the bathroom my cabin cleaners. Report says that flight arrived at Int Term 5 and brought over to Terminal 3 for a outbound flight when cabin cleaners found the body....
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11876 times:
Kind of scary that the FA's didn't know there was someone in the bathroom when the plane landed. Poor guy.
CORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11854 times:
Wow, how sad. That has got to be a terrible thing to go through especially for the person who died and also for the person who discovered the body.
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1): Kind of scary that the FA's didn't know there was someone in the bathroom when the plane landed
Agree. Flight attendants should have control over the cabin and be fully aware of what is going on. This just coms to show that they did not in this case and it is very frightening. A flight attendant should of observed him going into the lav and not coming out. It could of saved the poor man's life. Of course that is just "what if" but it is a possibility.
Airlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11818 times:
I find this quite odd would you mind posting a link, it is not that I find you untruthful, it is just different. It sounds ridiculous but may this man R.I.P.
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1183 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11791 times:
I too question the source, but I am not writing about that. I travel AA often, as I have reported before. I often notice that the plane is on final approach and someone always has to use the lavatory. The light of "occupied" goes on and everyone knows there is someone in the toilet but the crew are making preparations for landing and they don't necessarily have time to check on someone who won't listen anyway, in the case of many passengers. I think crew can't be held responsible.
FLY2LIM
Doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3158 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11784 times:
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 2): Agree. Flight attendants should have control over the cabin and be fully aware of what is going on. This just coms to show that they did not in this case and it is very frightening. A flight attendant should of observed him going into the lav and not coming out. It could of saved the poor man's life
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4221 posts, RR: 29 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11780 times:
It is impossible to keep track of 300 peoples bathroom breaks, but you sure would think with a combination of other passengers and the f/a's they would see that someone aint comin out. For sure should have been found during pre landing check.
Wukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1013 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11765 times:
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 2): That has got to be a terrible thing to go through especially for the person who died and also for the person who discovered the body.
I highly doubt that the 62 y/o person that passed on really didn't mind the shuttle roll over to the domestic terminal. I would find the sympathies better placed with the family and friends of the deceased.
(if I happen to die mid-flight, please feel free to jettison me over a body of water so as not to cause trauma to the living folks remaining by throwing a blanket over my head; this body is just on loan, and when I check out, you can do whatever you want with it.)
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11745 times:
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 2): A flight attendant should of observed him going into the lav and not coming out.
Are you kidding me?
Do you honestly think that we're going to track peoples visits to the lav?
If the door was unlocked, there was no way that the crew could have been alerted that the lav was occupied.
What an absurd idea.
Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3160 posts, RR: 21 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11742 times:
Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 4): I too question the source, but I am not writing about that. I travel AA often, as I have reported before. I often notice that the plane is on final approach and someone always has to use the lavatory. The light of "occupied" goes on and everyone knows there is someone in the toilet but the crew are making preparations for landing and they don't necessarily have time to check on someone who won't listen anyway, in the case of many passengers. I think crew can't be held responsible.
FLY2LIM
I dont know if AA does this, but on Continental, the flight attendants lock the bathrooms for takeoff and landing. I thought this would be a fairly universal policy, in which case the FAs would have noticed. Does AA not do this?
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11735 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 8): Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 2):
A flight attendant should of observed him going into the lav and not coming out.
Are you kidding me?
Do you honestly think that we're going to track peoples visits to the lav?
If the door was unlocked, there was no way that the crew could have been alerted that the lav was occupied.
What an absurd idea.
No but how about the RED OCCUPIED light above in the middle of the cabin or that of the one on the door. Maybe that would give a clue, especially when you see a red-light on the ceiling.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Do you honestly think that we're going to track peoples visits to the lav?
Yes, It's a security issue. If someone is spending a little too much time in the lav it needs to be investigated by someone. Let's not forget what happened in Russia.
David T From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11623 times:
Let's hand this one over to Gil Grissom of the LVPD Crime Lab!
(Ok, not funny by some. But ya know, I've been an airline guy since I was 8! That's the way I would want to go!!! In an airplane lav! I made the heavenly club boys!)
GothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11618 times:
Every airline employee needs to be aware of everything going on, but especially AA crews. AA is obviously at the top of the bad guys' list of targets, as demonstrated by 2 planes lost on 9/11 and by the more directly relevant Richard Reid incident. The crewmembers responsible for this oversight should get a severe talking to from the TSA/FAA/FBI/etc, as well as AA management and the union.
QQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2198 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11564 times:
Folks, you're assuming the man was in the bathroom for a long time. He could've gone to the loo during deplaning, or he could've gone to the bathroom shortly before landing. Yes, flight attendants are supposed to check the lavs prior to landing, but it's easy to forget, especially if you're trying to get to your seat quickly 'cause the ride is gettin' bumpy. We simply have no idea how long the man was in the lav.
Burnsie, if there are multiple lavs in one location, the red "occupied" light on the ceiling won't light up unless all the lavs in that area are occupied.
It is not AA's policy to lock lavs for takeoff and landing.
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N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11536 times:
Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 13): Every airline employee needs to be aware of everything going on, but especially AA crews. AA is obviously at the top of the bad guys' list of targets, as demonstrated by 2 planes lost on 9/11 and by the more directly relevant Richard Reid incident. The crewmembers responsible for this oversight should get a severe talking to from the TSA/FAA/FBI/etc, as well as AA management and the union.
I'm going to reserve judgment on this particular incident, since it is currently unconfirmed and the details are currently unknown. But following your assertion to its logical conclusion would require a sky marshal accompanying each and every visit to the lav. If someone's intent on doing evil aboard an airliner, such as what Richard Reid tried to perpetrate, he can probably accomplish it in 30 seconds as well as he could in half an hour. No need to scapegoat or pile on the cabin crew here. Their job is tough enough as it is, and if there's something here they need to be faulted for, I'm sure they'll be disciplined appropriately.
New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
RIPCORDD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11479 times:
here is the link...... The really scary thing is that it was an international flight and this guy dead or not was able to get around customs. At Ohare all international flights arrive terminal 5 and airlines like AA/UA taxi their planes over to their terminals 1/3 for outbound flights. There is only customs at terminal 5. Sounds like a security breach to me they should check the plane before the FA'S leave which would mean the bathrooms esp on international's.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11441 times:
Quoting Wukka (Reply 7): and when I check out, you can do whatever you want with it.)
I've heard that one from a few gross anatomy lab partners of mine, and I can guarantee you their minds changed by the end of the semester....
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11378 times:
Quoting Dimsum (Reply 18): The thing is, you would think that FAs would do a final cabin check INCLUDING knocking on all lav doors prior to landing, right?
Even if they did, knocking on the door may not have made much of an impression on this poor bastard
New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
Andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8298 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11334 times:
When I flew Emirates a couple of years ago the flight attendants went round and locked all the toilet doors before take off and landing, and if anyone was inside at this time they knocked on the door and waited there until the passenger came out.
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
Wukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1013 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11304 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17): I've heard that one from a few gross anatomy lab partners of mine, and I can guarantee you their minds changed by the end of the semester.... Wink
Bah! If you checked out my profile at all, I've done my fair share of educational research on deceased individuals. The first time I lifted the lid on my "lab partner", I thought my knees were going to collapse. After all of that, my mind hasn't changed a bit, since this flesh-and-bone only lasts for so long. Will I do my best to save a life? Yes. Will I cry for the death of my friends or family? Yes. Do I care what you do with me once I have shuffled off my mortal coil? Not a bit. I only ask that you respect my friends and family, and their wishes. I've already made it clear to them that if I can help someone learn through the use of my remaining tissue, then go for it.
I have to give you the thumbs up for having done the Gross Human Anatomy courses, though. Been there, freaked me out initially, but in the long run, it helps everyone else.
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11206 times:
Quoting Wukka (Reply 21): Bah! If you checked out my profile at all, I've done my fair share of educational research on deceased individuals. The first time I lifted the lid on my "lab partner", I thought my knees were going to collapse. After all of that, my mind hasn't changed a bit, since this flesh-and-bone only lasts for so long. Will I do my best to save a life? Yes. Will I cry for the death of my friends or family? Yes. Do I care what you do with me once I have shuffled off my mortal coil? Not a bit. I only ask that you respect my friends and family, and their wishes. I've already made it clear to them that if I can help someone learn through the use of my remaining tissue, then go for it.
Listen, totally off-topic here, but well said, man. Well said.
New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11142 times:
Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 13): Every airline employee needs to be aware of everything going on, but especially AA crews. AA is obviously at the top of the bad guys' list of targets, as demonstrated by 2 planes lost on 9/11 and by the more directly relevant Richard Reid incident. The crewmembers responsible for this oversight should get a severe talking to from the TSA/FAA/FBI/etc, as well as AA management and the union.
The thread is about a dead man found in the lav of an airplane and it only takes 13 posts until someone mentions 9/11. Unbelievable.
Wukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1013 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11115 times:
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 23): The thread is about a dead man found in the lav of an airplane and it only takes 13 posts until someone mentions 9/11. Unbelievable.
I tip my hat to you. It seems like our freedoms are being taken away on a daily basis with the underlying excuse of 9/11.
These supposed terrorists have won in the most passive roundabout way possible.
*shakes head and sobs over what we once were*
This is sad.
We can agree to disagree.
25 N77014: According to my flight ops. manual, NO ONE is dead until a doctor declares him so. Crews are instructed to hold off until arrival.
26 B707Stu: That's correct because no one wants their aircraft impounded as part of an investigation.
27 TGV: Same on all AF flights I took. This seems to be a normal preparation of the cabin before landing (they do that at the same time they attach the curta
28 Isitsafenow: Maybe he was looking for a pillow all over that plane and then had a heart attack... safe
30 Fbm3rd: maybe if was the food...or the small AA seats.
31 SNN2003: Never been on a plane where someone went to the lav right before landing. I side with the FA's on this one. If you have a full 777 (Im guessing that w
32 September11: I wonder if this is the first time that a passenger was found dead in lavatory?
33 LTBEWR: What a sad way to go, inside an aircraft bathroom. Probably an autopcy will show the person had a massive heart attack or stroke. In the early stages
34 Flybyguy: Agreed. Instead of issuing arrest threat ultimatums to passengers who complain about receiving unsatisfactory service, FA's (especially on AA after t
35 Jacobin777: good call..should have read your prfile..I was going with the odds..... the only thing which I really didnt like was the fact I "smelled bad" for 9 m
36 Nwaca: I would think the FA's would have checked the lavs both before and after landing. Before, for safety and after because they shouldn't be walking off t
37 SATX: Even though this is AA we're talking about, I still find it really odd that none of the passengers complained about somebody hogging the lav. This guy
38 TedTAce: ROFLMAO!! I'm sorry for this guy and his family, doing an Elvis routine on an airliner has got to be a rough gig, but honestly WTF does it have to do
39 TGV: Not event necessary ! As I mentioned in reply #27, on AF they check all bathrooms during the cabin preparation for landing, ensuring they are empty.
40 UAFedExFlyBoy: The only question I have is, why did it take so long to find the body? On international inbounds the aircraft must have a GSC (Ground Security Coordin
41 SATX: TGV - IMO, AA is a little lax about this sort of thing. It's not like some other carriers where you have FA's running around 20 minutes before landing
42 Boeing747400: Probably a heart attack. Does anybody else know the actual cause of his death?
43 DTW757: Is it just me or does "Dead Guy Found On Plane" seem a bit disrespectful towards a man's life? Although it may be true and to the point; I know that i
44 Isitsafenow: Oh I dont know, DTW757. That's the headline you might see in a newpaper like the New York Daily News(i'm not kidding). But I agree with your point. Pe
45 Fbgdavidson: I was actually on a flight from IAD-LHR in December 03 and it happened that a guy was frozen in the bay of the wheelbay! He was in there for about hal
46 Flybyguy: I'm taking a beginner's First Responder course and through what I have learned thus far, it may be a heart attack, but it could also be a choking vict
47 LY4XELD: Wow, it took 30 posts for someone to take a cheap shot at AA. That must be a record! We use a 777 on this route; there are plenty of other lavs on th
48 Mtnmanmakalu: The problem with this is that the cleaners found the dead PAX- At NWA, we do not lock the lavs for take-off or landing, but are required to check them
49 QuestAir: Wouldn't the other pax that were sitting in the same row as him have noticed that the guy was not there during landing and notified a f/a?
50 Sfoerik: Maybe the crew knew what was going on and decided to just leave him in there so as not to cause a disturbance to others. If I were a FA - that's what
51 Wdleiser: did the man forget to take his metamucil? Did he die while taking a Bowl Movement? sorry for my sick humor that has got to be just about the worst exp
52 Daron4000: Now obviously, this could have happened during deplaining, but on United, they do, or at least did lock the lavatories for takeoff and landing, and se
53 SATX: -Perhaps this wasn't a full flight and nobody was next to him. -Perhaps they assumed that he simply sat in some other seat. -I could imagine stranger
54 CORULEZ05: No, I am not kidding. Does Richard Reed ring a bell? Had it not been for those flight attendants, that AA plane would of been blown up mid air. One o
55 COEWR777: You would think the person sitting next to him would say something to a FA if he was gone for longer than an hour.
56 Nwafflyer: Really great topic here -- 'dead guy found on plane' -- really an appealing topic to respond too -- have been reading the responses, i.e., FA is respo
57 Jetdeltamsy: Reid was at his seat, not in the crapper. Our job is to manage the flight service and passenger safety (both of which include many things) Monitoring
58 SATX: Single folks can die in their homes and go unreported for weeks or months at a time. It's not that much of a stretch to imagine that somebody might g
59 ACDC8: I've got a great idea! Why don't the airlines do what gas stations do? If you need to go to the biff, ring the call button, the F/A comes around with
60 Nsfguy: The medical exam will give a time of death, then the unused portion of the ticket (time flying dead) will be refunded to the family!
61 Airlinelover: WHen I was a FA, our airline regs required us to check the lavs pre-strapping into the jumpseat and locking them for landing. There's be no way in hel
62 HAWK21M: Exactly.Arn't the Lavs to be checked prior to Landing. regds MEL
63 Jamake1: Having been an a F/A for United, I can tell you it was policy to ensure lavs were locked for take-off and landing. The reasoning behind the procedure,
64 Skyguy: Ever tried to get a refund from AA? Once they have your money and unless you bought the most expensive filly refundable fare you are more than likely
66 B707Stu: Who can name the guy who died in the bathroom of a 707 in "Airport", the original... Hint, starts with a "G." But of course he did himself in...
67 USAFMXOfficer: That would be "D.O. Guerrero".....played by Van Heflin. Airport...what a great flick. Gotta love Patroni "givin' the gas" to the 707 to get it out of
68 Flyinround731: Anyone remember bathroom monitors from Elementary school? Perhaps airlines need to hire people to do such things, check out the bathrooms in case ther
69 Checkraiser: A few months ago on NW DTW-CDG the F/A's served breakfast shortly before landing. On approach I felt like there was demon growing and clawing at the w
70 AirplaneBoy: As a flight attendant, I am ALWAYS aware of my surroundings. When I work the "A" position, I may be smiling and saying "hello" at the main cabin door
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