Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25 Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
Dont' think INTRO is genuinly interested to pump tons of millions into Olympic.
Wöhrl ( ower of INTRO ) and minority shareholder in DBA does not have enough cash to float seriously Olympic.
Serious bids most likely will come from greek or UK investors.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5471 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2433 times:
Would I be wrong in assuming that if Aegean took over, the result would be a lot like the Swisssair/Crossair/Swiss Int'l amalgamation? Could Aegean pull this off after their purchase of Cronus? How did that go? Does Aegean even plan Trans-Atlantic service or ANY service with bigger planes than 737s?
Next trip: SLC-JFK-LHR-ATL-LAX-SLC...my wife's first time on DL's 764!
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3310 posts, RR: 36 Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
A correction is due: BBC was informed more promptly than I was, a more time-conscious mole probably...
Yes, the remaining five bidders did make binding bids in the last 2-3 days.
a Greek group unincidentally comprised of Aegean's owners
a Greek-US group called Olympic Investors (with Seabury as consultant)
a Dutch group named Sure Estates
a British group, Kelsch
the owner of Deutsche BA
A final shortlist of 2 or 3 bidders should be drawn in the coming days.
KLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 692 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
I'm sorry to say Orion737, but I've flown Olympic many times over the years trans-atlantic, and IMHO they have nothing to be proud of... rude staff, crappy planes, and never again! To be honest, not sure why anyone would want to sink good money into a company like that, but again, they probably know more than I do
I hope OA falls into competent hands, whatever the ID of the owners and executives. Nationalistic proudness feeds no one in the 21st century.
What's for sale ?
a brand name (of doubtful value)
an operating licence
4 x ATR-42
7 x ATR-72
7 x B737-400
some GA planes and helicopters
15 leased 737-300 & 400
4 leased A340 (leased to the Greek government !)
2,150 staff incl. 500 pilots, 700 f/a, 42 staff of manager rank
some outstanding contracts (eg. catering)
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3290 posts, RR: 21 Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2057 times:
Quoting Olympic707 (Reply 14): I agree, it should stay in Greek hands. Re-introduction to Australia and more cities in the U.S. BWI would be nice.
Folks, from where I sit, things have moved on. OA had its opportunity in the 1990's, but it missed it. There is no chance in hell that OA could re-introduce Australian services and make them profitable?
Since OA quit Australia, the following has happened:
*EK has increased to 5pw, some of these direct, and has also opened up DXB-MEL/SYD non-stop. Therefore u can now get 5pw one-stop with EK
*GF operates daily from SYD to ATH, albeit as a 2 -stop
*SQ and TG continue to operate 3pw each, and now are ranked 1 and 2 for market share in the Australian market.
* QR will commence 6pw in mid-June, and will open Australian within 12 months or so.
The opportunity for OA in the past was amazing, and its a shame their management couldnt see it. OA has one of the best networks in Europe, and from the point of view of Europe-Asia-Australia is one of the most direct routings, involving no backtracking, unlike the QF/BA offering! They failed to realise the value of this network, and in my eyes, did not exploit it. With the right marketing and different attitude, OA had the potential to operate daily ATH-MEL/SYD services, and have them full-year round.
Quoting Iakobos (Reply 11): I hope OA falls into competent hands, whatever the ID of the owners and executives. Nationalistic proudness feeds no one in the 21st century.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3211 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1951 times:
Iakobos, very well said. I wish there were some more people with your kind of vision in the Caribbean where the aviation scene is eerily similar to that of Greece. Over there the main airlines (JM and BW) are totally bankrupt, haemorrhaging money and back in State control after privatization efforts fell flat. Yet, any talk about getting them and the other regional airlines to work together is always shot down promptly by politicians, each Island trying to defend and protect its turf but at considerable expense. Meanwhile the foreign airlines, AA in particular, have a field day in the region. Even any suggestion of bringing in experts from outside the region to help guide the airlines to profit is seen with much suspicion. It seems as though people like the status quo!
As for Greece and its national airline Olympic Airlines, well, I hope that whoever comes in is able to reverse the airline's fortunes and make it a top-flight carrier within Europe and beyond.
If I'm not mistaken, OA cannot grow its U.S. service because Greece is rated as a Category 2 country by the FAA's IASA.
My experience with OA in 2001 left a somewhat sour taste in my mouth. Three of my four flights were delayed, one by 8 hours, they still permitted smoking on the ATH-CAI route, and the cabins their 737-400s were rather dated. That said, I did like their A340s, I distinctly recall frequent beverage service and because I was scheduled to have a long layover between connecting flights, I was put up at a hotel with shuttle bus service, all compliments of the airline. The thing that makes me hesitant to fly OA again is their on-time performance, which I continue to see some comments about elsewhere.
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3310 posts, RR: 36 Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
Quoting Olympic707 (Reply 15): OA has nothing to be proud of? How about their safety record, pilots, airplane maintenace, food?
I almost fully agree on the technical part of OA, which by the way is no longer part of O Airlines but O Service, this translates (add the pilots) into a first class safety record.
Much less can be said of cabin maintenance, I cannot tell how many times the seat frame was broken or seriously damaged, belts or their locks were broken or inoperative, the folding table could not fold, etc.... this is something passengers are directly confronted with (comfort and safety), as opposed to the perfect integrity of the frame or the smooth running of the engines.
Food: OA cannot be rated among the good tables in the air, but it is not bad either. Again, catering is no longer part of Olympic, it is subcontracted.
Pilots: the local saying goes like this: pilots come from the military so they are good. Understand what you want.
A rather recent incident with casualties (incl. a deputy minister) was attributed solely to the two senior OA captains flying the Falcon plane (flown, operated and maintained by OA).... just to put things in perspective.
Agreed, Aegean does an outstanding job and there is no surprise that locals fly them instead of OA whenever possible. A commendable company if you ask me.
What a difference between their f/a's and OA's (as well as ground personel), though they are all Greeks.
Being a civil servant with guaranteed rights and salary for life or an employee required to perform lead to extremely different attitudes.
Quoting Olympic707 (Reply 15): Rude staff? I guess they are rude if you want to have baby sitters and BUTT KISSERS as F/As.
Typical traditional Greek reaction. Politeness and civility were considered the artificial layers of a deeply ugly cheating character, squareness/rudeness was proof of honesty. Times are changing, even here.
Nobody is requesting f/as to be butt kissers, but every customer is entitled to be treated with a certain dose of courtesy, not ?
Olympicbis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1815 times:
You are so right especially about "reply 15". As far as I am concerned, I think Olympic failed to capitalize on the traditional "Greek Hospitality" element. Had they been clever enough to use this concept and make it a key feture of their onboard service, what a difference this could have made ! That was the case before 1974, when they were in private hands.
What they are lacking is mainly consistency. From 1995 till 2000, I had many flights on Olympic with extraordinary FA's, and some other flights where you would almost be afraid to ask for a glass of water.
I would like to see them with a new corporate ID - but please keep the name & rings on tail -, a new fleet of A319s - 320s - 321s for short-haul and A330s-A340s for long-haul, and Aegean airline cabin crews. Would be close to perfection.
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3310 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1558 times:
From Greece to Heard Island:
The government hopes/hoped to conclude by end of this month or about
(it will be Easter here on May 1), and until now the various steps (conducted by Lazard Frères) have been according to plan, so we might well expect something in the coming days.
The party in power is experiencing a free fall in public ratings, hence a successful sale would come in nicely.
For info: OA lost 25 million € per year (roughly 32m$) on the Gr-Aus route.
Wondering where (pragmatic) people find the potential....