Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
SWA 737 Orders/Options  
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

It seems like questions about SWA's orders, options, and other aircraft info are always smoing up, so he's an excerpt from the 10-Q filing issued today...

-----------------------------------------------------------

Contractual Obligations and Contingent Liabilities and Commitments

Southwest has contractual obligations and commitments primarily for future purchases of aircraft, payment of debt, and lease arrangements. Following the receipt of 12 new 737-700 aircraft from Boeing in the first three months of 2005, the Company has 22 737-700 aircraft deliveries for the remainder of 2005. Following the first quarter exercise of options to purchase an additional seven aircraft in 2006, the Company has firm commitments for the purchase of 33 new 737-700 aircraft to be delivered in 2006, along with an option for one additional aircraft. The following table details the Company's current (as of March 31, 2005) firm orders, options, and purchase rights through 2012.

...................Current Schedule
...................Firm.....Options*
2005**..........34.............-
2006.............33............1
2007.............25..........29
2008...............6..........45
2009-2012.......-........177
Total.............98........252

* Includes purchase rights
** Includes 12 aircraft delivered through March 31, 2005


The following table details information on the 424 aircraft in the Company's fleet as of March 31, 2005:

TYPE....SEATS....AVG.AGE....TTL....OWNED...LEASED
-300........137..........13.9.........194........110............84
-500........122..........13.9...........25..........16.............9
-700........137............3.4.........205........203.............2

TOTALS...................8.8.........424........297............95


The Company has the option, which must be exercised two years prior to the contractual delivery date, to substitute -600s or -800s for the -700s.

22 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

OPNLguy, you may want to do the math again under the "owned" column.
Still any way you look at it, it's alot of 737s up there for 1 airline.  Wink Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
OPNLguy, you may want to do the math again..

Wow, sharp eyes FlagshipAZ, but it wasn't OPNLguy's math - he just quoted verbatim from the 10-Q. Blame the CFO instead.  Smile Looks like someone calculated 110 - 16 + 203 .



The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is today.
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 2):
but it wasn't OPNLguy's math

No, it wasn't; it came from here: (about 2/3 the way down)...

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050415/luv10-q.html

I'll email someone about it on Monday... Thanks for the catch...


User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

OPNLguy,

Although I'm certainly no expert, it seems like SW's going to have to more forward options into 2006. Why are they only growing their fleet by 8% in 2005 and 2006 when they're trying to grow existing (MDW/PHL)/add new cities? Do you think they're going to convert additional options sooner?

UAL747-600


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

OPNLguy,

Although I'm certainly no expert, it seems like SW's going to have to more forward options into 2006. Why are they only growing their fleet by 8% in 2005 and 2006 when they're trying to grow existing (MDW/PHL)/add new cities? Do you think they're going to convert additional options sooner?

UAL747-600





They will pull aircraft off poor performing and/or mature markets. You only have to see how markets like DAL-HOU and DAL-IAH have either shrunk or gone away.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 4):
it seems like SW's going to have to more forward options into 2006.

I would expect that you're right, and that they'll move some 2007 options to 2006, some 2008 to 2007, and so on. In the fall of 2006, the oldest -300s turn 22 years old, and at some point will start getting retired, so there will need to be replacements for them in addition to growth,,,

We'll see...


User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Where are the 500s being used principally? I know they have some enhancements over the 300s as they were introduced a little later but other than size, I'm not sure how they differ.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting Lat41 (Reply 7):
Where are the 500s being used principally?

Mainly Texas and California, but one could turn up almost anywhere in the system. I had one on a BWI-LAX flight (not full) the other day...


User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Those -500's have been popping up in TPA a bit more lately too!

SWA TPA



I believe I can fly.....
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Any chance that WN would pick up some ex-UA 735s once they're available?
I know it's a rather silly question, but WN does go shopping for some used aircraft if capacity is needed fast & if the price is right. Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 10):
Any chance that WN would pick up some ex-UA 735s once they're available?
I know it's a rather silly question, but WN does go shopping for some used aircraft if capacity is needed fast & if the price is right.

Not a silly question at all...

There was some discussion about possibly acquiring used -300s/-500s, but that most recent thing that I've heard is that they've ruled that out, and will just stick with -700s. Reality will be anyone's guess....  Wink


User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
Not a silly question at all...

There was some discussion about possibly acquiring used -300s/-500s, but that most recent thing that I've heard is that they've ruled that out, and will just stick with -700s. Reality will be anyone's guess....

Would that be those infamous ex-US -300s that we all were hearing so much about up at BWI a few months back?

NTS



United 717 heavy, you're facing the wrong way. Any chance you can powerback to get off of my deice pad?
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting Ntspelich (Reply 12):
Would that be those infamous ex-US -300s that we all were hearing so much about up at BWI a few months back?

As Bugs Bunny used to say, "...Eh, could beeeee......"

Also heard a variation of the rumor that said they were ex-United birds, so who knows....?


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 410 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2325 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Not quite Southwest, but ATA is picking up a number of the used -300 birds from United. Word I hear is that they plan to purchase them outright with WN's investment dollars, leaving them to WN in the event that TZ goes away.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 14):
Not quite Southwest, but ATA is picking up a number of the used -300 birds from United. Word I hear is that they plan to purchase them outright with WN's investment dollars, leaving them to WN in the event that TZ goes away.

Hadn't heard that... Interesting....

It'd almost make more sense for ATA to lease some of SWA's -300s (maybe the ones that are within 2-3 years of retirement) or some -500s to keep their (ATA) costs down until they can build their finances back up. Doing so would also have schedule reliability aspects, since all SWA aircraft already have HUDs installed (as ATA does, although a slightly different model from the same manufacturer). Otherwise, that would be an additional cost were ATA to acquire used aircraft from United (or anywhere else) that didn't have HUD installed, assuming ATA wanted to retain the operational benefits of CATII/IIIA capability...


User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2263 times:

One thing for sure, the 737s will need to start being replaced when either Airbus or Boeing decides to start the war of the low end airplanes. So far, they seem content to let the A320 and 737NG duke it out as long as the orders fall to both of them. However, Boeing has been talking about applying 787 technology to 737s and then all hell will break loose (you thought the A350/787 fight was mean!)

I would say, WN pretty much can design their own plane. However wins their plane order will be set for a long, long time.



The dude abides
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2219 times:

Quoting MrComet (Reply 16):
Boeing has been talking about applying 787 technology to 737s

I don't know that the timeframe of Boeing's being able to produce and deliver such an aircraft would be prior to the point that SWA has to convert some options to keep aircraft in the delivery pipeline for expansion...

We'll see...


User currently offlineChiflyer82 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 14):
Not quite Southwest, but ATA is picking up a number of the used -300 birds from United. Word I hear is that they plan to purchase them outright with WN's investment dollars, leaving them to WN in the event that TZ goes away.

Some of those a/c should be in TZ colors by summer if all goes as planned and the financials are worked out. If not TZ will be in for a crunch this summer with insufficient a/c to carry out the schedule. They will all be in coach class seating with business class not coming on board until money comes along.

[Edited 2005-04-16 23:23:42]

User currently offlineSwardu From United States of America, joined May 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Lat41....

With the retirement of the -200's, the -500 is seeing far more US territory than before. We see one per day here in RDU, I also know of between 6-10 flights -500 flights in STL. They are now pretty much scattered all over. When the -200 was in service, the -500 was relegated primarily to the SNA market until more -700's came into the fleet. Then the -500 became somewhat of a replacement for the -200, so you will see quite a few of them in DAL as well, but they are spreading their wings now and you'll find pretty much in all of our major cities that have more than 40 flights per day. I'm sure OPNLguy or SWA TPA can go to our advanced schedules and find the exact cities where the -500 is or will be....I would myself but I'll be in DAL training for Operations. Big grin


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Quoting Swardu (Reply 19):
I would myself but I'll be in DAL training for Operations.

If you're in town Monday, or Wed-Fri next week, I'm on afternoons 2-10 or so, so drop on by. If interested, email me for more...


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting Swardu (Reply 19):
I'll be in DAL training for Operations

Jeff, congratulations on getting into Ops. You'll love the new Electronic Weight and Balance (EWB). We've been training/familiarizing on it for the last two weeks and it goes operational system wide on Monday.

Now, when Boeing eventually does come up with a replacement for the 7NG it will probably be so different from the 737 series that it will be like operating two aircraft types for Southwest. A shrunken 787 would look great in WN colors.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Mainly Texas and California, but one could turn up almost anywhere in the system. I had one on a BWI-LAX flight (not full) the other day...

That had to be really light on the pax end

Quoting TPA" class=quote target=_blank>SWA TPA (Reply 9):
Those -500's have been popping up in TPA a bit more lately too!

Bet they were rotating off of DAL-W/S Destination flights



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Mexicana's 1st Gen 737 Orders posted Fri Nov 17 2006 04:47:04 by Edelag
Report- GOL Increases 737 Orders posted Mon Oct 30 2006 16:12:26 by Lumberton
Egypt Air Exercise 6 737-800 Options posted Sun Oct 1 2006 12:59:16 by PanAm_DC10
Boeing Get 25 Unidentified 737 Orders posted Thu Jun 22 2006 22:10:37 by PanAm_DC10
Boeing : 29 New 737 Orders Listed On Website Today posted Thu Feb 2 2006 17:44:37 by Tifoso
Unidentified 777 And 737 Orders posted Wed Dec 28 2005 16:40:05 by Luisca
Number Of Seats On SWA 737's? posted Mon May 16 2005 16:50:43 by Boeing Nut
Airbus Has 250 Orders/options For A380 posted Sat Jan 22 2005 16:47:35 by Flying-Tiger
New Boeing Jet: 737E For SWA 737 Replacement. posted Wed Aug 11 2004 18:53:29 by DIA
SWA 737-700 Scheduled To Be At LGA.. posted Sun Jun 13 2004 09:06:20 by OPNLguy