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New First Choice Destinations Summer 2006  
User currently offlineSausageandmash From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

If anyone is interested, First Choice are further expanding their longhaul programme from the UK in Summer 2006, with new Star Class flights on the Boeing 767 fleet to Mexico and Brazil.

New for the first time from any UK tour operator is Huatulco on Mexico's Pacific coast. Direct flights from Manchester fortnightly with Star Class and Star Class Premier.

Also returning is Puerto Vallarta after a break of a few years. Direct flights fortnightly from London Gatwick and Manchester.

So along with Cancun from LGW, MAN, EMA and GLA; and Cozumel from MAN and now also LGW; First Choice will be the first UK tour operator to launch a dedicated Mexico brochure, on sale through First Choice Travel Shops.

Also new is Bahia Salvador in Brazil, with direct fortnightly flights from both Gatwick and Manchester. First Choice briefly offered Brazil in 2001 with the resorts of Natal and Recife.

So it certainly looks like the longhaul strategy is paying off for First Choice, and FCA is now developing a new service on its' shorthaul fleet, which may or may not result in more legroom there as well. Keep looking out for information - especially if you work for the competition!


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User currently offlineA321fly From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Excellent, do we know when the schedule's (charters) will be on sale.

A airport i didnt notice the was Male for the summer and also Goa.

I also notice that you mention more leg room on shorthaul, if this was ever to be implemented the other charters would never stand a chance againgst first choice without changing there cabins.

[Edited 2005-04-17 00:01:28]

User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Oh no, what have First Choice unleashed!  laughing  These other Charter Airlines will be fuming if this happened:

Quoting Sausageandmash (Thread starter):
FCA is now developing a new service on its' shorthaul fleet,

They will have to upgrade their cabins to compete, and I don't think this would go down to nicely at MYT and especially BY!

Not being silly here, but could this spell the end of the Charter Airline? I mean, what if all FCA's aircraft are as good as British Airways standards, if not better? There is nothing "Charter" about that.


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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

First Choice really do seem to be at the cutting edge these days for charter from the UK. As a child I grew on up charter but these days will only choose them before looking at the scheduled alternative (and no, I am not a snob, just believe in being treat like a human!!)

First Choice are market leaders and doing what Britannia were doing 20 years ago. How very sad it is to see the once-proud Britannia in such a sad state!



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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Totally agree, the charter airlines have sat back and watch the competition eat up their market. The upgrade in service being provided by First Choice is long over due, and if the rest of the charter airlines want to keep in business then modernisation and improvement of both the service they offer and the destinations they serve is essential.

Monarch seem to be going along the scheduled low cost route and have built up an impressive route network and reputation, First Choice are upgrading charter flights to the standards that today's holidaymaker expects. As for Britannia, Thomas Cook and MyTravel, its about time they got their act together and seriously looked at what they are offering. Fair enough they are charter and usually cheap, but if First Choice can offer a better product for an affordable price then the rest will have to follow.

Mark



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User currently onlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Hi,

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 2):
They will have to upgrade their cabins to compete, and I don't think this would go down to nicely at MYT and especially BY!

Not being silly here, but could this spell the end of the Charter Airline? I mean, what if all FCA's aircraft are as good as British Airways standards, if not better? There is nothing "Charter" about that.

MyTravel will not be fuming as they offer a better product then all other charters anyway (except FCA longhaul).

This will not spell the end of charter airlines and to compare FCA and BA would be clumsy. For a start everything onboard FCA is chargeable not to mention the list of other things that a scheduled airline offers.

Also, MyTravel do have plans to upgrade their cabins - as for service; that is spot on as it is.

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User currently offlineTittlemouse From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 40 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Hey guys!

Do FCA still serve Montego Bay?

I ask because a couple of years ago I got locked on board G-OOAL while working on the ground there! I was enjoying a nice cup of tea in the rear galley  blush  - my boss never found out that was the reason why! I was told if I had gone - it was at the captains discretion to bring the airbridge back to let me off - I would have been paid all the time I was away as I would have still been on duty!!!!!

Seriously though - well done to FCA. The new 777 style interiors on the new 767's are cool.

I will leave with the words of one anonymous FCA mechanic when telling me his thoughts of having potentially 300+ PTV's to service during a one hour turnaround

'Oh sh*t - we have enough problems getting ten to work now'

 wave 



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User currently offlineA321fly From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting Tittlemouse (Reply 6):
Do FCA still serve Montego Bay?

They do. Not sure about next year though.


User currently offlineA321fly From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

The 2006 holidays go on sale this Thursday 21/4/2005, if anyone was intrested.

User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting A321fly (Reply 1):
I also notice that you mention more leg room on shorthaul, if this was ever to be implemented the other charters would never stand a chance againgst first choice without changing there cabins.

G`day. I`m kind of cynical about that. If success in the charter world meant giving the pax more leg-room don`t you think it would have been done before? The sad fact is that if FCA give their pax more legroom they will earn less money per flight than the competition. I can`t remember the figure but each seat on an aircraft is worth a certain amount of money each year and if you remove a row or two then thats a large chunk of money lost over the year. So its not cost-effective to remove seats and lose revenue when your competitors aren`t. Don`t get me wrong, I am embarassed by the lack of leg-room we give our customers but the only real solution I can see is if the CAA increases the legal minimum leg-room permitted so all charter carriers are forced to remove seats and nobody gets an advantage over the competition.
Bit of a muddled post there but the gist of it is that all the charters have minimum seat pitch because nobody wants to give the competition an advantage and anybody who says that extra leg-room (talking short-haul only here) will persuade the punters to choose one holiday company over another is wrong.....they will choose the cheapest!

Cheers all!



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User currently offlineA321fly From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Quoting Schooner (Reply 9):
Bit of a muddled post there but the gist of it is that all the charters have minimum seat pitch because nobody wants to give the competition an advantage and anybody who says that extra leg-room (talking short-haul only here) will persuade the punters to choose one holiday company over another is wrong.....they will choose the cheapest!

That is a very good point. However i know lots of people would be prepared to pay extra for these services on top of there supplements which no doubt would increase.

If they do not change the legroom on its not the end of the world, this is not like longhaul with the longest flights being 5 hours.


User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Well I would certainly pay for an emergency exit seat. I think it is scandalous how little leg-room the pax get and wish the CAA would increase the minimum seat-pitch, if only by a couple of inches because at the moment if you are taller than about 5`10 then its bloody purgatory sitting in those seats for longer than an hour! Unfortunately the bean-counters don`t see it like that and they travel first class anyway!

Cheers.



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User currently offlineA321fly From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting Schooner (Reply 11):
Well I would certainly pay for an emergency exit seat

Or even short haul premium as offered on the A321.


User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

True, but then again I know these things are available. Unfortunately these are things that are generally looked at after the holiday has been booked. If you offer two identical hols the cheapest will normally be the one chosen, even if the carrier is some tin-pot third world carrier (like Monarch or Brits  biggrin !).
Now long haul is a different kettle of fish. Having experienced business class once before I will not go economy ever again, I don`t think my knees can take it!

Cheers.



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User currently offlineA321fly From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting Schooner (Reply 13):
I don`t think my knees can take it

Deffinatly. Although 33" is a substantial amount for economy so i could probably stand that.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting Schooner (Reply 11):
Well I would certainly pay for an emergency exit seat

 Wink
For some reason, the majority of people can accept charter, but people on here cant?! Are people on here too posh> I love traveling charterm (except the German pilots Schooner  Wink )



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User currently onlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Hi,

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
For some reason, the majority of people can accept charter, but people on here cant?! Are people on here too posh> I love traveling charterm (except the German pilots Schooner : )

I totally agree Gkirk! I love travelling on Charter airlines – I wouldn’t feel like I’m going on holiday if I flew any other way! They really get you in the mood and I can honestly that I never have a problem with leg room on the whole – I can normally always stretch my legs out fully and I’m almost 6ft! The only exception was on Thomas Cook’s G-FCLG coming back from Monastir last February; it was a bit tight onboard there!  Smile

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 16):
I totally agree Gkirk! I love travelling on Charter airlines – I wouldn’t feel like I’m going on holiday if I flew any other way!

Ok, Im sober now, but yes. Going on holiday, you have to fly charter as it just gives you that feeling of being on holiday and relaxed. How else could you get a pint of Stella at 5am and 5 hours later be in Tenerife  Wink



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User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

Well there are more of them arriving so perhaps you had better invest in a neck-brace GKirk! Don`t get me wrong I happily fly charter but (and call me posh!) if I can get extra leg-room I will pay for it if its further than Spain. The problem is the market dictates that people would rather have a cheaper holiday and complain about the leg-room than pay a bit more and be able to stretch their legs.

Cheers.



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User currently offlineSausageandmash From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

I think what has happened with First Choice is that the new longhaul service was a gamble that paid off. The MD had publicly stated that if it didn't work out, then it would be her head on the line at First Choice HQ in Crawley.

If there are seats removed in shorthaul - and that is a massive "if" - it will be because the board realise that their customers want a bit more comfort and are definately willing to book with a carrier that provides it. While at the minute all the charters are competing against the locos for the shorthaul routes, what I believe FCA are looking at is trying to take some market share away from the economy passengers of BA, bmi and the like - the passengers who go on holiday and are not overly fussed about the Frequent Flyer Points and so on. But they are fussed about their comfort.

Also, you have to remember First Choice's stated aim of going after the medium to long haul market more than the 2 hour jaunts down to the Med. Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, the Canaries, Egypt - these are the bigger fish with better prospect as their are, as yet, little or no low cost airlines flying there. So if the onboard service and seat pitch is increased, and marketed as efficiently as the longhaul product has been, then they should be onto a winner.

The profit made from shorthaul flying is minimal anyway. Night flying the same. Hence why First Choice Airways have decreased the number of night flights in their programme. By taking out, say, four rows of seats on a 757, but therefore filling that 757 on longer routes with more premium minded passengers, this should offset any losses. Even with four rows out it would still be 209 people on board, which is a sizeable, but albeit happier proportion of holidaymakers.

Let's wait and see what happens.



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