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Southwest.. How About A Dress Code...now!  
User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

Just got off a SWA flight with several truckers who missed the shower on the way to the friggin' airport. Wearing these disgusting open arm tee shirts where the armpit hairs just hang out like cavemen. I understand many people don't give a damn how they look or smell, it used to be the backpack hippie/maggot types that took off those grateful dead sandals and picked there toes in front of you that really pissed me off. Pack um' in, ship um', and unload um' is what the airlines do. Just like cargo. Why not a dresscode, or even having a box of those free SWA tee shirts to hand out to the stench bunch so we don't have to endure this. Is there ANY airline that forbids these open armpit shirts?

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12013 times:

Nope, AA has them, NWA has them, UAL has them every airline has them.

Alex



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User currently offlineTxagkuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

If you recall from an earlier episode of "Airline" on one occasion when Southwest had a "passenger of odor" the gate agent/CSR had the individual clean up in the men's room and provided him with a new shirt prior to letting him continue his journey.

The previous poster is right. Every airline has them. On a per capita basis I would say I've seen more on America West and Delta (and usually get assigned seat right next to them on a RJ).

With any luck, your flight was not completely full and you could change seats....which you might not be free to do on other carriers.

The biggest complaint I hear (over at FlyerTalk) is not that these people are on all airlines...they are...but some FFs seem to resent the fact that these less-than-olfactory-pleasant individuals have a propensity to upgrade to First Class.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11969 times:

dress code? That only applies to non-revenue passengers, unfortunately. One thing that is for sure: no nudity is allowed!

well, what is public transportation? ... Southwest is part of public transportation?

If you take public transit system (bus, subway, etc) you will see same thing ...

I've seen a lot of women with open armpit shirts on board.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5139 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11941 times:

dress code? Who cares? Get a life..

KL911


User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11897 times:

Sometimes it could be something like a cultural thing. There are many countries that do not see the need to bath daily as opposed to others. If you can't take it, ask a flight attendant to be reseated. If you can't move, breath through your mouth and enjoy your flight.

User currently onlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11881 times:

Diet can cause B.O. Sometimes after I eat curry I can smell it on me and that's why a certain cultural group is stereotyped to smell like that.


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User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11834 times:
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I don't think that nsfguy is talking about dietary or cultural issues.....some people just don't care how they look or smell.....I can remember when you had to travel in jacket and tie (I'm showing my age, I guess).....but the public wants cheap transportation and the less than desirable smelling seatmate comes part and parcel with low fares....

User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

How about not...................................


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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11759 times:

Ya get what you pay for.


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User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

I wish it were like the old days where people got dressed up to fly. Really, most pax dress like crap these days and its just a sign of our crappy society. So there...dress up!

User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11696 times:

Another rant and rave from grandpa simpson...this topic should not single out Southwest. This happens on all airlines. You shouldn't be so quick to judge why they might not have showered. Maybe they were up last night with a sick family member and overslept? Maybe their hotel ran out of hot water or had a power outage? Maybe they had some sort of emergency and had to catch the first flight they could.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11670 times:

Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 10):
I wish it were like the old days where people got dressed up to fly

Me too! It is was really fun... Look at those passengers in the movie "Airplane!" -- all dressed up! Even the little boy....



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User currently offlineCTHEWORLD From Mayotte, joined Dec 2004, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11606 times:

It is called a LCC for a reason, you get what you pay for. Maybe, in the case of your flight, it should be called a Low Class Carrier. You certainly don't expect to run in the same people shopping at Neiman Marcus of Barney's as you do at WalMart, do you?

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11526 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 3):
well, what is public transportation? ... Southwest is part of public transportation?

If you take public transit system (bus, subway, etc) you will see same thing ...

There's a difference between a common carrier and public transportation.

I agree with everyone who says that this isn't a problem limited to WN. You're going to find it on every airline. It's not a question of money, but a question of class. There are a lot of people in society who have no regard for other people, only for themselves. It isn't Southwest's fault and it isn't a Southwest problem. I personally try to dress nicely before I travel and you can be damn sure that my personal hygiene will be in no way, shape or form be offensive. Sadly, not everyone else feels the same way.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11519 times:

People in cut off T-shirts don't bother me. It's the people who take off their shoes and socks and walk around the plane in bare feet. Or even better, if they're in a bulkhead row, they prop their bare feet up on the bulkhead. I know a lot of people walk around in bare feet but I find it kind of revolting, a commercial airplane is not your house.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11512 times:

One thing I have learned is that if you are going to fly WN you have to expect things like this. This is why unless I have to get to LAS in a hurry I use WN for the ISP-LAS Non-Stop. Otherwise I will not fly them. They are flying buses. So deal with it.

User currently offlinePiedmontbrat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11485 times:

This is not a Southwest thing. This occurs all too often on ALL carriers. There's little or no excuse for not being able to go to a restroom and "freshen up" before a flight. There are plenty of places that sell toilet items like deoderant that can be used.

Poor grooming habits are a sign of laziness and bad manners. The "I don't give a damn what others think" attitude sometimes needs a good slap in the face. Regrettably, I fly all too often and encounter passengers that have either not bothered to bath or have chosen to bath in their cologne's or aftershave.

Both are equally offensive...kinda like parents of screaming and unruly children!


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11476 times:

Airlines (at least some of them that I'm aware of) have the right to boot passengers with, yes, bad body odor. It's in the F/A manual according to a book written by a former flight attendant (great book, too. IIRC, the title was "Plane Insanity" by Eliot something or the other).

I think it should be enforced. I'm a firm believer that flying is a privilege, not a right.


User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11422 times:

Not just WN for sure, but so many sluts and crackheads getting shifted from town to town via the penny flights, it really unpleasant. Maricopa county Arizona sends homeless and other down and outers off into the great sky for family support or employment elsewhere, or just about any reason that will get them off the streets, out of section 8 houses or hotels, and off the public dole if the poor slob can convince the social worker that a one way $59 fare to the golden state will set things right.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

You guys got to remember that WN targets leisure travellers more than business travellers. Thats why you see so many people dressed like that.


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User currently offlineQxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11375 times:

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 18):
book written by a former flight attendant (great book, too. IIRC, the title was "Plane Insanity" by Eliot something or the other).

One of the funniest and truest books about what it is like working for and airline and what we see.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11311 times:

Quoting Txagkuwait (Reply 2):
On a per capita basis I would say I've seen more on America West and

Pure crap! You base this on what statistics? A few HP flights five years ago? For the past 10 years, I've flown at least 30-40 HP flights of varying lengths every year, and I never see trashy people in the quantities I see boarding/exiting WN flights. LAX/LAS are probably the best airports to see WN's "elite" travellers.

The fact that the original poster said it was on a WN flight just adds to what many here refuse to admit.



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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11275 times:

Ok, guess what. If you don't like WN's product, whether it be lack of assigned seating, no IFE, the pax sitting next to you or whatever it may be, do yourself a favor: please fly another airline that will make you happy.

Bitching and moaning on the internet to a bunch of people that have absolutely no control whatsoever about righting the wrongs that have been done to you will not help one iota. Other than the fact that it may make you feel better about yourself. And, if that was what resulted from this thread, good for you. I hope that you're now a happy camper.

Off to work for the only airline that's posting a profit, god forbid that part of it be from providing a service to what most of you see as the dregs of the earth,

NTS

[Edited 2005-04-17 20:42:22]


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User currently offlineTxagkuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11238 times:

Byrdluvsus writes in, and I quote: >>"Pure crap! You base this on what statistics?"<<

I work for DOD as a Transportation Officer.

Accordingly, I ride the contract carrier, even if that is HP.

Right now HP has the contract from ELP to PHX and a few other destinations. SEA, I think, is one of them.

You would not believe the lengths Colonels and General Officers and DOD Civilians in the grade of GS14 and above will go to in order to avoid having to ride HP.

True, this is anecdotal evidence, but in a headquarters of some 160 folks who seem to live on airplanes, it speaks volumes.

The general consensus among these folks (who could scarcely be termed cheap or trashy people) is that in and out of El Paso, regardless of the destination, it is tough to do better than WN. Most would rather be eaten by fire ants than wind up on America West.

My most recent personal incident was roughly a year ago trying to go SAN-PHX-ELP (WN is the contract carrier but they were full on the SAN-PHX leg)....and I got assigned the rearmost window seat on a Barbie Dream Jet (one of Mesa's, I think) next to a 400 lb gentlemen who apparently sweat a lot without bathing very much. When I asked to be reseated, and the FA told me the flight was full and I had the choice of taking my seat or deplaning and being placed on priority standby for a later flight, I decided I had had enough. I managed to route myself SAN-LAS-ABQ-ELP on the ugly plane people (who, contrary to popular belief, actually targets business rather than leisure travelers with some degree of success).

Isn't living in a free country great? You can choose to believe that all Southwest customers are trashy people who smell bad. There seem to be quite a few of them if you look at their passengertraffic stats or financials. At any rate, other airline management can keep on believing that an assigned seat with minimal pitch in Y and surly FAs will help them fend off challenges from Southwest.

I would ask this about HP.....if they are so vastly superior to Southwest, why does their market share (head-to-head) in what would appear to be primarily business markets stink so bad?

Market share statistics (from dot)

LAX-PHX WN 69.1
BUR-PHX WN 72.6
ONT-PHX WN 84.0
SAN-PHX WN 77.0
SJC-PHX WN 60.2
ABQ-PHX WN 85.7
ELP-PHX WN 83.5
SLC-PHX WN 57.2
LAS-PHX WN 78.0

The real bottom line here.....nobody can impose an arbitrary dress code on passengers as a common carrier. If a passenger is offensive due to dress or body odor to such a degree that it is negatively impacting other customers, then they can require remediation from that passenger prior to carriage.


25 Post contains images ACDC8 : Ah, the romanctics of airline travel! It's a amazing how a lot of people today consider 2 shopping bags from Wal Mart matched luggage! Cheers, Patrick
26 JGPH1A : Spoken like a kid who's never had to pay for his own ticket ! That's pure BS - if you pay the price of the ticket, you get to fly - period. You can w
27 777STL : How bout the people who pile all their belongings into those vinyl bags that bed comforters come in? I've seen more than a few of those.
28 CTHEWORLD : The terrorists on 9/11 bought their tickets, was that their right as well? I think FSPilot747 meant flying isn't an inalienable right, much like a dr
29 SFOMEX : If WN can enforce their "person of size" policy, I don't see why they couldn't enforce a "person of odor" policy". Pennies or big bucks, whatever you
30 747srule : I flew WN ONT-OAK earlier this month,and saw two men in suits. The other pax were dressed casual. No complaints here.
31 ACDC8 : If 7/11 can have a sign that says " No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" I am sure that the airlines can enforce some sort of dress code. Just my 2 cents..
32 Tango-Bravo : It has come to the point where (on all airlines) it is the non-revs who tend to stand-out conspicuously -- because they are among the few pax on boar
33 Post contains images Boeing73G : You know, WN could take this as an oppurtunity to profit off this. It would work, and WN could make a good profit off this by charging for 2 extra se
34 Isitsafenow : Why do you think I call them Air Greyhound? I like em but it seems that SW opened to door to come-as-you-are travel a few years back and now we do it
35 N1120A : Really? Apparently you seem to miss what flying can do to one's body. It is not only more comfortable, but healthier to fly wearing casual clothing t
36 Justindpilot : WN does enforce making persons of offensive odor clean up before the flight, if it is noticed. Granted its not 100% because you will have some agents
37 Jetdeltamsy : it's a shame. but as long as they don't stink and all the "important" parts are covered, what can you do?
38 1MillionFlyer : enough WN Bashing move onto DC-9 NW posts
39 NASCARAirforce : I hate dresscodes, however DO TAKE A SHOWER before going on a plane. However I think tanktops/muscle shirts are a no-no on a flight. T shirts, jeans y
40 Jafa39 : Odd but your constitution seems to allow you to "bear arms" but you get all upset over "bare arms". No-one ever died from anothers armpit hair, best
41 Frequentflykid : I've flown all the majors, including Southwest and have seen my fair share of "disgusting" passengers on the prestigious airlines such as United, Delt
42 JAGflyer : It's not just WN, its all airlines and all destinations. When in LAX I saw a lot of pax who were going to/coming from "poorer places" with cardboard b
43 Isitsafenow : N1120A..not good at comparisons? Oh, I don't know, Sonny, maybe thats why I have over 1700 plane rides logged. I think I have seen it all...and then s
44 ACDC8 : Don't fly much?
45 FLY2LIM : In the United States, a "dress code" of any type is discriminatory. It requires people who cannot afford clothes to buy a certain type of clothes. Th
46 LTBEWR : I would suggest that while some pax are total slobs and others may have body odor offensive to us due to diet, some odor and appearance problems may b
47 Iowaman : Well my dad is required to wear a Suit and Tie to work, and the teachers at school are required to wear at least khaki's and a collared shirt, except
48 Post contains images KabAir : I'd like to see people dress nicer on flights sometimes - but - (and this is not a knock to WN) - Wouldn't WN introducing a dress code be like McDonal
49 GothamSpotter : There are hygenically clueless people in all walks of life, whether they be truckers in tanktops or bankers in suits. You see (smell) them in all form
50 EmiratesA345 : Thats an interesting statement. I don't understand how it could possibly be healthier to fly in casual clothing. If your statement was true, I would
51 CVG2LGA : just what the hell makes you all so special? its not like you WOULDNT smell if you didnt shower! try and be a little more understanding, we are all hu
52 N1120A : No, I fly all the time. That was my point
53 Byrdluvs747 : Give me a break. Show me the medical data that links health to clothing while flying. I've seen plastic bags heavily wrapped in tape come out in WN's
54 TxAgKuwait : Byrdluv writes in, and I quote: >>So the travel habits of a bunch of Texans is your evidence of this supposed high number of stinky people per capita
55 CVG2LGA : < I have yet to see the type of slags that fly WN. In my many hours sitting in LAX I've seen....> A fat man in way too small sweat pants who had obvio
56 CVG2LGA : < I have yet to see the type of slags that fly WN. In my many hours sitting in LAX I've seen....> < A fat man in way too small sweat pants who had obv
57 Frequentflykid : [qoute]I don't know what the law is in California, but in Nevada and Iowa they can fire you for any reason, or refuse service for any reason.[/quote]
58 Post contains images FLY2LIM : Figures someone wouldn't read between the lines. My statement declared that a dress code on a US airline for the GENERAL PUBLIC is something that wil
59 Jafa39 : Just be sure you don't end up stupid or ugly and living at the mercy of a heartless, judgemental SOB like you! This messed up planet of ours needs mo
60 Cloudy : Soon the TSA will be so strict that this whole question will be moot. Everybody will end up wearing the same thing anyway. You will have to strip comp
61 Irishjohn : Curious!! What has any of the above to do with the basic fact that someone smells? Is it not simply bad manners, or perhaps a lack of education in per
62 FlyingTexan : Here we go again with the vicious vitriol toward Southwest and the perception they are the poor man’s carrier. Why do you suppose Southwest has 60 d
63 Zweed : While you guys are discussing on how bad SWA passengers are smelling I wil go home and try to solve trivialites such as a cure for AIDS, world starvat
64 MSYtristar : I had the displeasure of sitting next to a guy who smelled like the sewer on a TWA MD-80 between STL and BOS back in 2000. The plane was mostly busine
65 Post contains images Flyinround731 : I'm going to take advantage of this moment. Are there any funky smelling passengers on NW DC-9s as well? -Joe
66 Chugach : My aunt has told me the story several times about once being on an HP flight LAS-IAH seated directly in front of three guys who kept loudly farting th
67 Tungd : Normally I don't post to complaint threads, but this one has me thinking. Do you honestly believe that any airline operating in the United States toda
68 Post contains links Ha763 : You don't have be dressed like that to smell bad. I was once seated next to a man dressed in casual business clothes and he had bad body odor. Plus,
69 OHLHD : Think about what would happen, if UA, AA or who ever, refuses to board a pax because he is not dressed properly. They have to wear shirt, short and sh
70 Post contains images NASBWI : Not really, no. See, McDonald's isn't competing with the Ruth's Chris and other fine restaurants in the country. However, Southwest DOES compete with
71 SWAFA30 : He or she would run, not walk to nearest TV Camera and begin whining and crying about how the big, mean, greedy, monolithic airline tried to tell him
72 Fbm3rd : what do u expect from an airline whos livery is dodo-brown!!!
73 Post contains images Vfw614 : I remember a news article a couple of months ago that Britney Spears took off her shoes on a transatlantic first class flight resulting in other pass
74 Iberia340600 : B.S.! There are plenty of placed that have a dress code(i.e. going to the theatre and/or places that dont allow you in without a t-shirt and shoe wea
75 Post contains links and images Flyinround731 : Hmmm.... I don't see the resemblence. View Large View MediumPhoto © Royal S King -Joe
76 ORDagent : In the world I live public schools here in Chicago are rapidly transitioning to enforced uniform policies rapidly. Dress codes are not considered dis
77 Goingboeing : I fly a lot on Southwest. I actually see fewer "low lifes" there than I do on the other airlines. They all have them. I was on an America West flight
78 Isitsafenow : FLYINROUND 731........He means the old paint scheme. Try those photos. GOINGBOEING...twice on NW 757's, I have seen mommie change crappy diapers of he
79 NYCFlyer : You sound like an ACLU activist. Give me a break. WN is a private company, they can do anything they want with respect to a dress code, don't compare
80 ExFATboy : Well, the tank might be pushing it a bit - was on a B6 flight last night from TPA to JFK, and a middle-aged guy was wearing one. I'm not too concerne
81 Post contains links and images Fbm3rd : I do... View Large View MediumPhoto © Ralph Duenas View Large View MediumPhoto © Jason Bisson View Large View MediumPhoto © John Thomp
82 AirRyan : My friends dad is a Delta pilot, they refer to the Southwest pax as the "Jerry Springer Crowd." Fly SWA or watch that show Airline about the SWA pax,
83 Fbm3rd : oh gosh... you are so right but you are so wrong... oh and thanks for the back-up Isitsafenow
84 SWAFA30 : The irony is that no less than once a month a "Is Southwest Really the Cheapest" thread will pop on this very board. Various posters will go on at le
85 Goingboeing : Tell your friends dad that Delta is sorely in need of some of that "Jerry Springer Crowd Cash" that seems to be allowing Southwest to operate at a pr
86 PA110 : With all this talk of WN and HP? Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps its not the airline, but the destination? Think about it! Perhaps its just
87 Post contains images Doona : I don't want to be the one to turn this thread into a US vs. Europe battle, but I have to say, having flown extensively on both sides of the pond, tha
88 Post contains images Flyinround731 : You didn't get my wisecrack. That guy said "dodo brown", I know he meant to say "doo doo brown" and that it referred to the old scheme, but I was fee
89 Fbm3rd : no i meant dodo brown not "doo doo"...thats how we say it round deas here parts... ha...
90 UsAirways16bwi : i wonder if the majors have some of the kind of "trashy" passengers that WN has, or is it just that the WN fare is all they can afford. if you pay $40
91 Jafa39 : Its simply because some people have no more control over their "personal odour" than others do over their skin colour and we shouldn't be jumping to
92 Swisskloten : You probably need to drop by Wal-Mart or Office Max. You'd be suprised how stingy people can be. I've been to Target and a guy held up the line for a
93 TxAgKuwait : >>if you pay $400 to fly from BWI-LAX first class on a major carrier, you get what you pay for. if you pay $99 for the same route on WN, you still get
94 CTHEWORLD : Oh, I am not implying that money equates to class (I used to work at a major Hollywood studio, plenty of rich, classless people there) I am just sayi
95 CORULEZ05 : are you actually suggesting that the passengers have a dress code when they aren't dress to your standards? I mean, if I am not mistaking that is what
96 Post contains images Galapagapop : Thats what happens when you lower fares enough so the average american can fly...
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