Nsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12000 times:
Just got off a SWA flight with several truckers who missed the shower on the way to the friggin' airport. Wearing these disgusting open arm tee shirts where the armpit hairs just hang out like cavemen. I understand many people don't give a damn how they look or smell, it used to be the backpack hippie/maggot types that took off those grateful dead sandals and picked there toes in front of you that really pissed me off. Pack um' in, ship um', and unload um' is what the airlines do. Just like cargo. Why not a dresscode, or even having a box of those free SWA tee shirts to hand out to the stench bunch so we don't have to endure this. Is there ANY airline that forbids these open armpit shirts?
Txagkuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11935 times:
If you recall from an earlier episode of "Airline" on one occasion when Southwest had a "passenger of odor" the gate agent/CSR had the individual clean up in the men's room and provided him with a new shirt prior to letting him continue his journey.
The previous poster is right. Every airline has them. On a per capita basis I would say I've seen more on America West and Delta (and usually get assigned seat right next to them on a RJ).
With any luck, your flight was not completely full and you could change seats....which you might not be free to do on other carriers.
The biggest complaint I hear (over at FlyerTalk) is not that these people are on all airlines...they are...but some FFs seem to resent the fact that these less-than-olfactory-pleasant individuals have a propensity to upgrade to First Class.
Willbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11860 times:
Sometimes it could be something like a cultural thing. There are many countries that do not see the need to bath daily as opposed to others. If you can't take it, ask a flight attendant to be reseated. If you can't move, breath through your mouth and enjoy your flight.
Ordpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11797 times:
I don't think that nsfguy is talking about dietary or cultural issues.....some people just don't care how they look or smell.....I can remember when you had to travel in jacket and tie (I'm showing my age, I guess).....but the public wants cheap transportation and the less than desirable smelling seatmate comes part and parcel with low fares....
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11659 times:
Another rant and rave from grandpa simpson...this topic should not single out Southwest. This happens on all airlines. You shouldn't be so quick to judge why they might not have showered. Maybe they were up last night with a sick family member and overslept? Maybe their hotel ran out of hot water or had a power outage? Maybe they had some sort of emergency and had to catch the first flight they could.
CTHEWORLD From Mayotte, joined Dec 2004, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11569 times:
It is called a LCC for a reason, you get what you pay for. Maybe, in the case of your flight, it should be called a Low Class Carrier. You certainly don't expect to run in the same people shopping at Neiman Marcus of Barney's as you do at WalMart, do you?
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11489 times:
Quoting September11 (Reply 3): well, what is public transportation? ... Southwest is part of public transportation?
If you take public transit system (bus, subway, etc) you will see same thing ...
There's a difference between a common carrier and public transportation.
I agree with everyone who says that this isn't a problem limited to WN. You're going to find it on every airline. It's not a question of money, but a question of class. There are a lot of people in society who have no regard for other people, only for themselves. It isn't Southwest's fault and it isn't a Southwest problem. I personally try to dress nicely before I travel and you can be damn sure that my personal hygiene will be in no way, shape or form be offensive. Sadly, not everyone else feels the same way.
New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3573 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11482 times:
People in cut off T-shirts don't bother me. It's the people who take off their shoes and socks and walk around the plane in bare feet. Or even better, if they're in a bulkhead row, they prop their bare feet up on the bulkhead. I know a lot of people walk around in bare feet but I find it kind of revolting, a commercial airplane is not your house.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11475 times:
One thing I have learned is that if you are going to fly WN you have to expect things like this. This is why unless I have to get to LAS in a hurry I use WN for the ISP-LAS Non-Stop. Otherwise I will not fly them. They are flying buses. So deal with it.
Piedmontbrat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11448 times:
This is not a Southwest thing. This occurs all too often on ALL carriers. There's little or no excuse for not being able to go to a restroom and "freshen up" before a flight. There are plenty of places that sell toilet items like deoderant that can be used.
Poor grooming habits are a sign of laziness and bad manners. The "I don't give a damn what others think" attitude sometimes needs a good slap in the face. Regrettably, I fly all too often and encounter passengers that have either not bothered to bath or have chosen to bath in their cologne's or aftershave.
Both are equally offensive...kinda like parents of screaming and unruly children!
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11439 times:
Airlines (at least some of them that I'm aware of) have the right to boot passengers with, yes, bad body odor. It's in the F/A manual according to a book written by a former flight attendant (great book, too. IIRC, the title was "Plane Insanity" by Eliot something or the other).
I think it should be enforced. I'm a firm believer that flying is a privilege, not a right.
Nsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11385 times:
Not just WN for sure, but so many sluts and crackheads getting shifted from town to town via the penny flights, it really unpleasant. Maricopa county Arizona sends homeless and other down and outers off into the great sky for family support or employment elsewhere, or just about any reason that will get them off the streets, out of section 8 houses or hotels, and off the public dole if the poor slob can convince the social worker that a one way $59 fare to the golden state will set things right.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11274 times:
Quoting Txagkuwait (Reply 2): On a per capita basis I would say I've seen more on America West and
Pure crap! You base this on what statistics? A few HP flights five years ago? For the past 10 years, I've flown at least 30-40 HP flights of varying lengths every year, and I never see trashy people in the quantities I see boarding/exiting WN flights. LAX/LAS are probably the best airports to see WN's "elite" travellers.
The fact that the original poster said it was on a WN flight just adds to what many here refuse to admit.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11238 times:
Ok, guess what. If you don't like WN's product, whether it be lack of assigned seating, no IFE, the pax sitting next to you or whatever it may be, do yourself a favor: please fly another airline that will make you happy.
Bitching and moaning on the internet to a bunch of people that have absolutely no control whatsoever about righting the wrongs that have been done to you will not help one iota. Other than the fact that it may make you feel better about yourself. And, if that was what resulted from this thread, good for you. I hope that you're now a happy camper.
Off to work for the only airline that's posting a profit, god forbid that part of it be from providing a service to what most of you see as the dregs of the earth,
[Edited 2005-04-17 20:42:22]
United 717 heavy, you're facing the wrong way. Any chance you can powerback to get off of my deice pad?
Txagkuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11201 times:
Byrdluvsus writes in, and I quote: >>"Pure crap! You base this on what statistics?"<<
I work for DOD as a Transportation Officer.
Accordingly, I ride the contract carrier, even if that is HP.
Right now HP has the contract from ELP to PHX and a few other destinations. SEA, I think, is one of them.
You would not believe the lengths Colonels and General Officers and DOD Civilians in the grade of GS14 and above will go to in order to avoid having to ride HP.
True, this is anecdotal evidence, but in a headquarters of some 160 folks who seem to live on airplanes, it speaks volumes.
The general consensus among these folks (who could scarcely be termed cheap or trashy people) is that in and out of El Paso, regardless of the destination, it is tough to do better than WN. Most would rather be eaten by fire ants than wind up on America West.
My most recent personal incident was roughly a year ago trying to go SAN-PHX-ELP (WN is the contract carrier but they were full on the SAN-PHX leg)....and I got assigned the rearmost window seat on a Barbie Dream Jet (one of Mesa's, I think) next to a 400 lb gentlemen who apparently sweat a lot without bathing very much. When I asked to be reseated, and the FA told me the flight was full and I had the choice of taking my seat or deplaning and being placed on priority standby for a later flight, I decided I had had enough. I managed to route myself SAN-LAS-ABQ-ELP on the ugly plane people (who, contrary to popular belief, actually targets business rather than leisure travelers with some degree of success).
Isn't living in a free country great? You can choose to believe that all Southwest customers are trashy people who smell bad. There seem to be quite a few of them if you look at their passengertraffic stats or financials. At any rate, other airline management can keep on believing that an assigned seat with minimal pitch in Y and surly FAs will help them fend off challenges from Southwest.
I would ask this about HP.....if they are so vastly superior to Southwest, why does their market share (head-to-head) in what would appear to be primarily business markets stink so bad?
The real bottom line here.....nobody can impose an arbitrary dress code on passengers as a common carrier. If a passenger is offensive due to dress or body odor to such a degree that it is negatively impacting other customers, then they can require remediation from that passenger prior to carriage.
: Ah, the romanctics of airline travel! It's a amazing how a lot of people today consider 2 shopping bags from Wal Mart matched luggage! Cheers, Patrick
: Spoken like a kid who's never had to pay for his own ticket ! That's pure BS - if you pay the price of the ticket, you get to fly - period. You can w
: How bout the people who pile all their belongings into those vinyl bags that bed comforters come in? I've seen more than a few of those.
: The terrorists on 9/11 bought their tickets, was that their right as well? I think FSPilot747 meant flying isn't an inalienable right, much like a dr
: If WN can enforce their "person of size" policy, I don't see why they couldn't enforce a "person of odor" policy". Pennies or big bucks, whatever you
: I flew WN ONT-OAK earlier this month,and saw two men in suits. The other pax were dressed casual. No complaints here.
: If 7/11 can have a sign that says " No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" I am sure that the airlines can enforce some sort of dress code. Just my 2 cents..
: It has come to the point where (on all airlines) it is the non-revs who tend to stand-out conspicuously -- because they are among the few pax on boar
: You know, WN could take this as an oppurtunity to profit off this. It would work, and WN could make a good profit off this by charging for 2 extra se
: Why do you think I call them Air Greyhound? I like em but it seems that SW opened to door to come-as-you-are travel a few years back and now we do it
: Really? Apparently you seem to miss what flying can do to one's body. It is not only more comfortable, but healthier to fly wearing casual clothing t
: WN does enforce making persons of offensive odor clean up before the flight, if it is noticed. Granted its not 100% because you will have some agents
: it's a shame. but as long as they don't stink and all the "important" parts are covered, what can you do?