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727, Gone For Good?  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Are there any airlines that plan to operate there 727s for at least 10 more years? I would suspect Delta, but I'm not sure. I don't know much about Delta. I think United plans to since they recently refurbished all of there 727s!

Any help would be appreciated!

Regards,
BA


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Delta will only have their 727s for another 5-6 years. They are becoming expensive to operate, just like the L-1011.

User currently offlineAirOne From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

USAir plans to give up it's 727 in coming years. But there are always charter airlines and airlines from third world countries that will pay airlines like Delta for used 727's. I don't know if you were talking about passengar but cargo will buy used and use them like UPS and Emery worldwide. Some cargo airlines still use the DC-8!

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Will United be operating there 727s for awhile? I suspect they would because they recently refurbished all the 727s! I don't know much about the 727, thats why I'm asking!

Any help would be appreciated!

Regards,



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Delta plans to have them out by the end of 2004 I've heard. I don't know about anyone else though. American has just under 50 left, and United has just under 70 left in the fleet. So I'm sure they will be around at least another 5 years.

User currently offlineJFL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Hi !

All US majors are planning to get ride off those old jets and to replace them by more fuel efficient A/C. How many years ? Difficult to say but I don't think more than 5 years.
Actually small charter companies are very interested and operate already a bunch of'em (PAN AM, Miami Air...) and of course cargo operator.
Average cost of a 727 serie 200 is around $2.5 million depending of equipment and time/cycle.

Cheers !


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1901 times:

I can't find any of my corporate reports, but United will most likely have the 727's around for another 2-4 years.

I can assure you that UA has done nothing in the way of 727 refurbishment, as they are due to be retired in such a short period of time.

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1896 times:

Why did United refurbish all of theres if they'll only be around 5 years?


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1899 times:

I read at Uniteds website about 4 months ago that they are starting a refurbishment program for ALL 727s and 757s.

Regards,



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1888 times:

UA didn't refurbish the 727's, they merely took out one row of seats to allow for the Economy Plus section to be put in (or rather, allowed for the 10 rows of E.P. seats to be spaced out to 35").

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1890 times:

The refurbishment program that you heard of was probably the new Economy Plus section that United is establishing in all of their A319, A320, B727-200, B737-200, -300, -500, B757, B767-300, and B777-200 aircraft. This refurbishment project has been completed. United has done a good job with the maintenance of their 727-200's but, they will be in service for no more than 5 years. United is replacing the 727-200's with the A320's and the 737-200's with the A319's.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1890 times:

Why did United waste there valuable money on refurbishing a plane that will be gone in 5 years?

Regards,



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1888 times:


NNNNOOOOOOooooooo. Oh the pain!!

The trend seems to be around the world that the B727's are being replaced rather quickly (even freighters, ie. with A300's).

I saw snippets of a document too that stated that the EU was going to ban modified Chapter 2. aircraft after 2005, and that from 2002 you can only grandfather the licence of existing units (no modified Chapter 2. aircraft acquisitions allowed). It looks as though Australiasia will be following suit too (there are only 4 B727F's licenced to operate in the region anyway).

What are regulations in the USA? Are all Chapter 2. aircraft now refitted with hushkits?

B727-200.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1887 times:

UA didn't waste their money at all. There weren't any new seats added (same seats on the plane), the only difference was that one row was taken out of the Economy cabin.

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1881 times:

I don't know the current purchase price of a B727, but $2.5 million (as mentioned before) for the greatest airliner ever built (my personal opinion) is certainly a steal. If I had the money I would get one of them immediately; in addition I have a couple of friends who have been flying the airplane (Delta) since the late seventies, so there is my three man crew.

What a shame to see this beauty go here in the next decade, so therefore, everybody, as long as she is still around enjoy the sight...

Boeing727


User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

The problems that lie in the 727 freighter is noise and payload weight. The 727-100 can now carry as much as the 727-200 because of the problems with tthe floors on the main cargo deck. The FAA imposed regulations because of this, I can't tell you off the top of my head what exactly they are right now.

UPS's 727 fleet is probably maxed out as most of you know UPS re-engined the 727-100 fleet with the RR Tay 651-54 engine along with Semi-Glass cockpits, upgraded avionics, and a hud display. The 727-200 just got the hush kits. The 757-24apf was brought onboard instead of expanding the 727-200 fleet.

Most commercial 727's in service right now are of the 200 series. I look for these to go to charter operators and 3rd world countries. Not too many of them will end up with large cargo operators such as UPS and Fed Ex


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