Knoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 133 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 32437 times:
Everybody here believes it's a fake.
The end of this runway is pretty close (the aircraft is already in front of the Clement Ader final assembly line), and its attitude (incidence) is quite high.
It must have performed a quick and tough stop.
Secondly, a friend expert at photoshop said that the luminosity around the cockpit is too different from the rear part of the aircraft, which could imply a fake.
I personnally find it weird to have such a test prior to first flight (high incidence, in comparison with a simple nose landing gear small lift-off which is more usual).
Also, I find the wing landing gear a bit too much in the same line of the fuselage (axis wise) whereas it just lifted off the ground.
Just my 2 cents.
Edit: also it rained this night in TLS, and still no water jets?
[Edited 2005-04-18 16:10:34]
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Airplanepics From United Kingdom (England), joined Jun 2003, 2705 posts, RR: 55 Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 32294 times:
Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 9): Everybody here believes it's a fake.
The end of this runway is pretty close (the aircraft is already in front of the Clement Ader final assembly line), and its attitude (incidence) is quite high.
It must have performed a quick and tough stop.
Secondly, a friend expert at photoshop said that the luminosity around the cockpit is too different from the rear part of the aircraft, which could imply a fake.
I personnally find it weird to have such a test prior to first flight (high incidence, in comparison with a simple nose landing gear small lift-off which is more usual).
Also, I find the wing landing gear a bit too much in the same line of the fuselage (axis wise) whereas it just lifted off the ground.
Just my 2 cents.
Edit: also it rained this night in TLS, and still no water jets?
Richierich From United States, joined Nov 2000, 3233 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 32214 times:
I have no reason to think its a fake. There is nothing obvious about the picture that would make one think that, other than the location on the runway which is something I admit knowing nothing about at TLS.
WE all know that the first flight is probably only a week or two, if not a few days, away. So it is quite conceivable to me that the aircraft is doing performance tests on the runway. I don't know about a full tail strike test though, as it is my understanding that this test could cause a lot of damage. This will probably not be done until well after first flight (as part of the normal new aircraft certification).
Just my 0.0154 Euros (at current conversion rates).
Flyabunch From United States, joined Nov 2004, 494 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 32117 times:
I agree with Knoxibus, I think it is fake. First, I don't think high incidence tests are done to there is more flight data. Second, I think the undercarriage looks funny. And third, I don't see a skid plate, a large block of wood or something else to drag on the ground and prevent damage as they drag down the runway.
If its real, its a great shot. If its fake, what a tease! I cannot believe that Airbus would take this kind of a chance with a plan that has not even flown yet...especially one with so much riding on its success.
N737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 651 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 32018 times:
Also noting how it is fake. Look at the outer main landing gear that is off the ground. That gear is supposed to (ARTICULATE) or hang when off the ground. Notice how it is still laying flat. This is the same outer main gear design as the A330/340 and it is not doing it.
Well what do you want me to say, there's is always one that has the flight test line planning for the whole week (RTO + 5th engine run tomorrow, RTO again Friday, preparation for first flight Saturday).
There's always some to not see any water being washed from the runway, there's always some to agree with me that the landing gear looks weird.
I will receive tomorrow the official newletter from the test line (everyday), and I will confirm it to you.
Wait and see...
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RayChuang From United States, joined Jun 2000, 7106 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 31790 times:
The picture is fake for a number of reasons:
1. You'll see a trail of sparks behind the fuselage during a Vmo (Velocity minimum unstick) test, mostly because they put a wooden "sled" on the back of the rear fuselage so such a test can be conducted safely.
2. Airbus has only done a relatively small number of runway RTO tests so they want to carefully protect the plane.
3. If the test was done on a wet runway you'll see the water spray from the engines.
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 7157 posts, RR: 42 Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 31752 times:
This thing keeps us all guessing, don't it?
My first thought was ,'Great, it won't be long now, we'll all finally see how this thing flies, which is what counts.'
But then I thought that the rotation angle was just too high, that the undercarriage looked plain wrong - and also that the camera must have had a helluva fast shutter speed, no evidence of panning, like blurring of the background.
Four possibilities:-
1. It's straight - just part of the testing procedure, and a 'miracle' shot for the lucky photographer.
2. It's straight - but evidence of a near-accident, something going wrong on test, 'pilot error' - in which case the photographer is even luckier.
3. It's an unofficial fake, done with models and 'montage'. In which connection, 707CMF, did someone give you the photograph, or are they being sold? I expect that there's a big market for A380 photographs at the moment.
4. It's an 'official' fake - taken and leaked on behalf of Airbus. I can't quite think my way round the implications of that yet.......
[Edited 2005-04-18 16:53:52]
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Manzoori From Christmas Island, joined Sep 2002, 1499 posts, RR: 50 Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 31633 times:
LOL! Nice one Antoine!
I just passed it round the guys at work and several of them rang me with words to the effect of " Hang on!!! It's not supposed to fast Taxi till Wednesday!"
Cheers!
Rez
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Keta From Italy, joined Mar 2005, 379 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 31581 times:
It could be, but I don't think it's a fake. I don't know how the test are programmed, but you're right I thought that VMU test were performed well after the first flight. It's maybe that the pilot pulled from the stick too much...
Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 15): And third, I don't see a skid plate, a large block of wood or something else to drag on the ground and prevent damage as they drag down the runway
"As the largest civilian aircraft, the A380 was unable to adopt the traditional form of tailbumper system – essentially involving reinforcing the interior and exterior of the tail cone with steel beams - so an alternative solution had to be found"
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 31482 times:
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 19): 2. It's straight - but evidence of a near-accident, something going wrong on test, 'pilot error' - in which case the photographer is even luckier.
Great theory!
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 19): 4. It's an 'official' fake - taken and leaked on behalf of Airbus. I can't quite think my way round the implications of that yet.......
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13565 posts, RR: 68 Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 31387 times:
Quoting CasInterest (Reply 1): But wow, doesn't it look like the tail has very little margin of error?
Quoting 777ER (Reply 3): It looks like a tail strike test due to the AoA (Angle of Attack)
Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 15): And third, I don't see a skid plate, a large block of wood or something else to drag on the ground and prevent damage as they drag down the runway.
I'm assuming that the 380 has the same over-rotation protection as the 345 and the 346, so no traditional tail bumper should be needed.
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PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1673 posts, RR: 7 Reply 25, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 31225 times:
Quoting VirginFSM (Reply 6): Do you think the pilots wanted to "accidentally" take off too? Wink
However ... whether it is a fake or not, I guess it is more challenging to a pilot to stay on the ground in such a situation than really to take off. I guess the pilots take the challenge and do as they are told, hence leaving the plane on the ground.
Is such a test conducted in a very light configuration so that runway length is sufficient to come to full stop after the test safely? AFAIK the runway at TLS is not extremely long ... something around 3500m.
Jan
26 MauriceB: think it isn't fake, look close at the tail and you will see it has the tail bumper, wich is just installed i guess, presuming there aren't any photos
27 Gigneil: Ugh. People, please. Knoxibus works for Airbus. He knows that its a fake. He's the only person here that would. Listen to him, and stop arguing. This
28 CasInterest: I am going to have to side with the itsa fake club. There is no evidence in that picture of the Jet Wash that should be pouring out of those engines a
29 707CMF: Okay guys, update on this picture. I don't know that it is a fake or not. I checked my source, it appears this picture is less reliable than the previ
30 WindowSeat: I second that. Patience people! We'll all find out in a week's time.
31 Boeing Nut: Some of you people are incredibly gullable. With the first flight so close, why would "they" bother to put out a fake of the A380 "nearly" taking off,
32 Mark_D.: It does look fake (really daring angle of attack, and actually if it were real I figure it would be indicative of a problem, mostly of not being at th
33 Starlionblue: 1. The A380 only has reversers on the inboards. 2. The lion's share of braking is done by the wheel brakes. The reversers are a bonus.
34 UAL747: I think it's a fake. I've been waiting to see how much the A380's long wings will flex, and there should be some flexing going on, even if the entire
35 Boeing Nut: Could you provide me with info on this claim? Because unless I see some type of documentation from a reputable source, I don't believe this for a sec
36 Welwitschia: Nope - does not convince me either. In that position alot of the weight would have been transferred to the wings already and I don't see no wing flex.
38 Richierich: Well, I don't know. Every time I look at the picture I see something different. There is something a little funny about it though, and I can't put my
39 Mark_D.: Boeing Nut Because unless I see some type of documentation from a reputable source, I don't believe this for a second. Harrumph! Seems it's more than
40 Boeing Nut: This information doesn not prove that the A380 has only two engines with reverse thrust. The pic only shows two being used, it doesn't prove it only
41 Boeing Nut: Like I said, a reputable source. Not speculations. If I'm wrong, I have some salt and pepper ready to eat my crow.
42 Starlionblue: Well it doesn't prove it, as you say. But the replies from quite a few knowledgeable posters sure convince me. Besides which, I'd heard this before.
44 NAV20: Boeing Nut, it's straight-up right. The reason being that the outboard engines will overhang the edges of normal runways, there's a danger that they'd
45 Knoxibus: Ok, but that does not mean I should be right, I gave my two cents (90% of the colleagues agree). We also have difficulties obtaining precise info, bu
46 MD-90: The 747 has less wingspan, and the other three all have higher mounted wings.
47 Keta: OK, you convinced me. No wing flex, too high AoA... and having a closer look at the main gear, looks like it's been edited. The nose looks different t
48 Corey07850: Good lord... Some people just don't know when to stop... http://www.airbus.com/leBourget2003/articles_detail.asp?ae_id=1291 "In addition, each A380 w
49 Boeing Nut: Alrighty then! It seems as though I will now start my sophisticated colinary adventure by eating my tasty crow!! OK, guys, I asked for reputable sourc
50 ChrisNH: Fake or not, here's a question: Why doesn't the Airbus web site have a glorious (and indisputable) photo of this event? Without Airbus coming forth wi
51 Flyabunch: It is always the bigger person who can admit their errors. Good job. Also about the engine thrust reversers issue. Is it my imagination or do the inb
52 Vasilek: Yea, it is FAKE! How one could even think it is genuine if the web address where the pic stored is http://poupov.free.fr? And 707CMF doesn't deny it.
53 PropilotJW: The wings aren't even bending up... FAKE
54 Starlionblue: Indeed. And I agree with Boeing_Nut that I there is a lot of baloney flying around On high winged planes, FOD is less of an issue since the engines a
55 Tjr16698: Also, if you click on the source website: http://poupov.free.fr/ you get the amusing message, "rhaa bande de fools" Fake. Good fake, but fake nonethel
56 JetHost: Hi My first post here :-p I really dont know what to belive, but whatever, i cant wait to see it fly!!! Thanks , Philip
57 MauriceB: alright i will reverse my opinion on this photo... its fake... Facts: -nose does look re-formed -main gear has been moddeted -unless they used a very
58 Lehpron: What is that, stall? That picture might not look good for PR, it may tell people, "see even gravity will not let it take off" I'm starting to believe
59 Piedmontnut: Fake... Why? No people standing around taking photos.
60 Lnglive1011yyz: I'm suggesting deletion of this thread. It is taking up needless bandwidth on a website that needs all the bandwidth it can get. Can we all keep the p
61 Jacobin777: it would have been HUGE news by now (at least within the aviation circle) if this thing actually rotated...the picture looks fishy.........I think its
62 Jorge1812: If this is a fake than it's very very sad that something like this appears on Anet. And if it's not a fake, than all those fakes from the past made su
63 Accargo: If this is your criteria, then there will never be a problem wit bandwidth here again. 75% of all threads would be deleted. As for the pic, it's real
64 Starlionblue: Well, it didn't "happen" on A.nut since the pic is not in the database.
65 JetHost: Thanks, think im a little bit scared already from reading other post's lol Im definatley thinking the pic is a fake now It just wreaks of forgery lol
66 Mika: I think it's fake, defenitively so. On top of all the reasons already mentioned here it is also obvious that the horizontal stab is in the neutral pos
67 Jorge1812: But it has been posted here. And where in the world, when not on Anet, would you get the most correct aviation infos from. Expect such pics in third
68 Noelg: I think this photo is real. The aircraft is still on the ground - nobody is claiming it actually lifted off. Don't you think that if it was indeed a f
69 BoeingForEver: Thats a still shot from Flight simulator
70 Starlionblue: There BS to truth ratio on A.net is quite high. So I'm not surprised. Let's not get too "holier than thou", shall we? This is a forum, and people exp
71 B777fan: Clearly a fake. All the reasons above plus this one. There is no thermal disturbance of the image through the supposed exhaust plume from the engines.
72 Beaucaire: Toulouse airport is currently crowded with tons of spotters and aviation -freaks equipped with cameras and digital equipment,that basically would film
73 Bigsmile: It's the biggest Fake going. I know, coz I work for Airbus.
74 CURLYHEADBOY: Because, after taking a closer look it is bright clear that itsa fake, take a deep breath and read the posts above, you'll convince yourself. Have pa
75 Jfkaua: Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, the picture of the aircraft was not derived from a airliners.net, jetphotos.net, or myaviation.net picture
76 Osteogenesis: Maybe the A380 has already flown. They encountered some problems on an aborted take off test, and had to take off.
77 Glideslope: To arrive home and see this silly thread. It has made my day!!!
78 AlitaliaMD11: Sorry if someone has mentchioned this but the center of the nose wheel looks a little too big.
79 707cmf: Well, apologies are in order. It appears I got overenthousiastic when I saw this picture on a French pilot forum. I should go back to taking pictures
80 Birdwatching: BREAKING NEWS: THE A380 HAS TAKEN OFF FOR THE FIRST TIME!!! Here's the proof! I took this photo this morning at Toulouse! Some people have said that i
81 7E72004: ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I have to wonder
82 BAe146: Notice it doesn't have any lights on either. -BAe146
83 Mariner: Try a sense of humor - it helps. As to it being a "silly thread", I learned something from it - a few things, perhaps. a.netters have done precisely
84 ATAIndy: is it just me or is that the same pic of the plane just rotated and put up higher on the screen? Why no wing flex?? Why no landing gear articulate??
85 NoUFO: ATAIndy, You really should bother reading a thread before responding to it.
86 Birdwatching: OMG, I didn't think I could possibly get away with such an OBVIOUS fake. What do I learn from this? You can edit anything into a picture, and people
88 Birdwatching: BREAKING NEWS!A380 WANTED TO TAKE OFF, BUT GHOST OF ELVIS PUSHED IT BACK DOWN! This happened at Toulouse this afternoon. What a shock! (Preparing to g
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