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Dress Code For AS Employees  
User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

I work for UA. I bought a ticket on AS for a PDX-PSP-PDX trip. When I was returning from PSP, I had all three seats in my row to myself. Then about five minutes before departure. A family of four comes rushing on. The husband and wife sat in my row, and the two kids sat in the row infront of me on the ABC side. The mother who was sitting next to me was talking to one of the flight attendents. So I assume she was a AS employee. The husband and wife were talking during the flight about AS, so she was a AS flight attendent based in SEA.

Ok here is my question. The mother was wearing a sleeve'less tank top, really short shorts, and wearing flip flops. The real kicker was, she had BO. It was like she was laying by the pool in the hot sun all day, and just threw on the cloths she was wearing at went to the airport. The daughter was dressed the same way. She was 14-15 tops. She looked like a whore to me.

So does AS have a dress code for non-revers?

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User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Alaska is VERY liberal with their dress code for employees. I've never heard of a situation where an employee was denied boarding for what they were wearing. Most of us who came to Alaska from another airline (or grew up in the industry) still take a little more pride in what we wear- as we are representing Alaska Airlines.

PS: Sorry you had to sit next to someone who had BO.


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

LOL omg you are hilarious! that is so funny... You wouldn't expect that on AS would ya? they are pretty classy!

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3468 times:
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AS does have a dress code for non revs - but as was mentioned earlier, it's very liberal:

NON-REV DRESS CODE¶

THE ONLY DRESS REQUIREMENT FOR NON-REV TRVL IN
EITHER FIRST OR COACH CLASS ON -AS- IS TO BE
NEAT AND HAVE A WELL-GROOMED APPEARANCE. CLOTHES¶
MUST BE CLEAN/PRESSED AND FREE OF STAINS AND
ODOR. BOARDING AGENTS WILL HAVE THE FINAL¶
AUTHORITY TO REFUSE PASSAGE IF A NON-REV PSGRS¶
ATTIRE OR APPEARANCE IS UNSUITABLE FOR TRVL.¶

THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT REMAIN INAPPROPRIATE¶
FOR NON-REV TRVL SUCH AS STAINED/FRAYED/SOILED¶
OR TATTERED JEANS/ALL CUTOFFS/SHORT SHORTS/¶
T-SHIRTS/BARE MIDRIFFS/HALTER OR TUBE TOPS/¶
EXERCISE CLOTHING/BARE FEET. OBVIOUSLY, TASTE¶
IN CLOTHING DIFFERS WIDELY BUT ANY DOUBT ABOUT¶
AN OUTFIT OR ARTICLE OF CLOTHING SHOULD BE
RESOLVED IN FAVOR OF A CLEAN/CONSERVATIVE¶
AND MAINSTREAM APPEARANCE AND BY USING GOOD¶
JUDGEMENT.¥

PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE SIMPLE GUIDELINES APPLY¶
TO TRAVEL ON ALASKA AIRLINES ONLY. OTHER¶
AIRLINES HAVE SPECIFIC DRESS REQUIREMENTS.¶
TO AVOID DISAPPOINTMENT WHILE TRAVELING ON
OTHER AIRLINES, NON-REV PSGRS MUST COMPLY WITH¶
THEIR DRESS CODE REQUIREMENTS. THE CARRIERS¶
RESERVATIONS OFFICE OR THE -AS- EMPLOYEE¶
TRAVEL OFFICE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT AN
OFFLINE CARRIERS DRESS CODE.¶



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User currently offlineTedEx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

I've sat next to a number of non-revers on AS and they've always been dressed fine, nor did they have B.O.!

User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Unfortunately, many airlines have given in to pressure from
employee groups and lowered their non-rev dress standards.
Their arguement was always "It doesn't matter" or "AA
let's their employees wear jeans, why can't we"? Or
my personal favorite "The customer service agents should
not be the fashion police". Don't wear jeans with holes in
the knees and force them to be the police. Pretty simple.

Unless the dress code spells out exactly what can and can't
be worn, people don't have the sense to know what is
neat or well-groomed. Or else they simply see how much
they can get away with. Either way, I think it's a joke to
see how people dress when traveling, not just non-revs.
Just how all of society is really.

[Edited 2005-04-19 03:32:48]

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3279 times:
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Actually CWA, the main reason airlines have relaxed their dress codes over the years is to help the employees blend in with the rest of the customers!

In times gone by, most airlines - AS included - required coats and ties and other business attire for employees traveling as non-revs. Since deregulation, employees traveling in business attire began to stick out like sore thumbs. Because no airline likes to call attention to the number of employees boarding for free or greatly reduced fares, over time airlines have relaxed their dress codes to have employees not stand out as much.



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User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

EA CO AS
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I have been involved
in many meetings with employees where things like this are said to
management. No different than how dress codes in airline offices have
become so relaxed or non-existant. And for many of the same excuses
I heard 15 years ago about American letting their employees wear
jeans. I don't think ties and jackets are necessary, but the way
this woman was dressed is exactly why it has to be spelled out
for people. Saying you stand out like a sore thumb was another
clever excuse I used to hear. I'm all for not sticking out, but
I don't think that means to dress like you're going to the gym
or the beach.

I flew for many years on my dad's TWA pass when a tie
and jacket was required. I flew many years on DL when a tie
and jacket was required for ANY class of service. I don't think
it's too much to ask people to wear a pair of Dockers and a polo
shirt. That doesn't stick out and it doesn't look like crap either.

Airlines also tell people not to discuss their pass status to other
passengers. By this woman opening her pie hole the way she did
attracted more attention than if she were dressed up.

[Edited 2005-04-19 03:43:19]

[Edited 2005-04-19 03:50:21]

User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Quoting TedEx (Reply 4):
I've sat next to a number of non-revers on AS and they've always been dressed fine, nor did they have B.O.!

Well good for you! Did I say all AS employees wear this type of attire?  Yeah sure


I remember the days of wearing a monkey suit onboard. I remember being stuck in HNL for two days in one, and my suitcase was back home at the PSP airport. That was one mistake I never made again.


User currently offlineUnmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Well, I have non-revved a lot on AS since my dad is a pilot for QX. I will usually wear khakis or slacks and a long-sleeve shirt, not necessarily a dress shirt, of some kind. Definitely don't wear jeans while holes in them. For the most part other non-revs I have encountered wear appropriate clothing. While AS does have a liberal dress code I would guess that what you experienced was the exception rather than the rule of thumb for what AS non-revers wear.


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User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Well, quite frankly, I wish all passengers had to have a dress code! This situation is not necessarily a reflection on Alaska Airlines, it is a reflection on our society. Any kind of social decorum is out the window any more as far as attire in public. Revealing clothes, tattered clothes, flip flops, HBO (not the network) in public, all are the norm now. So are zones of privacy in public. The advent of the cell phone for instance. I really don't want to be sitting in a terminal area trying to relax or anywhere else and hear anyone's conversation on their phone! Once a lot of people are on their wireless phone, they get in their "zone" thinking no one can hear them. WRONG! As for the off-duty AS FA, she should have the presence of mind to know that she might interact with a passenger who might ask, "What do you do for a living?" Why lie? Why not just look respectable in public? It doesn't have to be pearls and heels, just half way decent. It's a good opportunity for good PR for AS. These people around them in the other seats are their customers. And as we know, given the state of the industry, an airline can't afford to piss of a customer. Given the state of our lackadaisical society, maybe it's too much to ask.


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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 10):
Well, quite frankly, I wish all passengers had to have a dress code! This situation is not necessarily a reflection on Alaska Airlines, it is a reflection on our society

I second that completely. I see so many airline employees comments out here about the degradation of our society as far as personal appearance and basic social behavior (especially on threads about the show "airline"). However, if an airline does not require any basic standards from it's own employees when they travel for free, why should they expect any different from their passengers? I say that if you have this benefit of non-reving and free travel, you should at the very least be required to present yourself in a professional manner.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 19 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
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EA CO AS
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you.


Disagree all you want, but I've heard the "non-revs in business attire stick out like sore thumbs" verbiage from directly from senior management at each of the three airlines I've worked for at the same time they elected to relax their dress codes.

I'm not saying it's an excuse for dressing like complete trash - frankly, in my opinion there IS no excuse for that. I'm just saying this is why we don't require business or even business-casual attire for non-revs.



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User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 19 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

EA CO AS,

So, senior management would prefer employees to be incognito as "normal" passenger. Why? So, some ignorants don't complain that a seat is being used by an employee? Of course, I can see that scenario happening. Hmmm, I always dress in at least a shirt and tie when flying. Maybe I stand out like a sore thumb too! Good!  bigthumbsup  Still in my mind, that's a reverse way of thinking about the face of one's company, following the reverse trends in society. I would want my airline to set the standard, not follow the sheep.

LegendDC9 is also very right when saying, "However, if an airline does not require any basic standards from it's own employees when they travel for free, why should they expect any different from their passengers?" And if SW employees are making comments on "Airline" about personal appearance, maybe they should look in the mirror. One reason I don't fly SW (Wal-mart Air/Cattle Car with Wings) is the casual approach in the attire of its employees. I just don't pay the same attention to, or take as seriously someone in a polo shirt and shorts as someone in a more formal uniform, or in the case of one episode I saw, a CSR in civies. Her ID and walkie talkie were the only things that said she might be working there. Not good enough!



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User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 16 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):

I'm not saying it's an excuse for dressing like complete trash - frankly, in my opinion there IS no excuse for that. I'm just saying this is why we don't require business or even business-casual attire for non-revs.

Yeah, and that's why this woman dressed the way she did and
someone from another airline noticed. If they noticed, don't you think
other passengers did too? Which one makes a better impression,
dressing with a little personal pride or dressing like a pig?

SBN580
I couldn't have said it better myself.


User currently offlineTedEx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 15 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

I don't know what jetBlue's policy is, but I know that David Neeleman is always wearing his ID.. Are jetBlue employees discouraged from wearing their ID while flying non-rev and are they discouraged from revealing their non-rev status?

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