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Boeing's 747 Freighters For 787 Program  
User currently offlineDimsum From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 91 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Does anyone know why Boeing is acquiring second hand 747s then heavily modifying them (possibly causing engineering issues to arise) as large cargo planes for the transport of 787 parts INSTEAD of leasing (dry or wet) some antonovs or C-5s or even (on the smaller side) their own C-17s?

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User currently offlineVS74741R From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Probably because they will need to use these aircraft throughout the production of the 787 which is a good 20 years at least.


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User currently offlineDimsum From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 91 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Then why do they need to buy used ones (i think that's what they're doing)? Why not just produce new ones while their 747 line is open?

User currently offlineVS74741R From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Because new ones are expensive and what would be the point in using a new one when it would get ripped apart straight away. If you look at an artists impression of what it will look like, you will notice that most of the top of the fuselage is going to be removed and the whole of the tail is going to be hinged.


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Also, like Airbus, Boeing is probably going to move pieces that are larger than either the AN124 or C5 can accomodate....

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Dimsum, my thought as well. Maybe too expensive a few used B744 as trade-ins for other Bs seem to be the solution.

User currently offlineCahiwa From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

I read last week that Boeing was not even going to operate the modified frieghters.. that it would go to bid, likely be DHL or some co. like that. Might have even read that here on A-net. K

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

I would like to know where you're going to hire any C-5s from...

In any case, I don't think even those aircraft have the cross section to carry a widebody fuselage.

New build or rebuild, the freighter conversion would still be a total rework of the airframe. At least with this strategy, Boieng takes some 747-400s off of the market.



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User currently offlineDimsum From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 91 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):
I would like to know where you're going to hire any C-5s from...

I was pondering that for a while too, but can't they cut some kind of deal with USAF? Probably too unrealistic tho...

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 4):
Also, like Airbus, Boeing is probably going to move pieces that are larger than either the AN124 or C5 can accomodate....

Oh I always thought the AN124 had more cargo space than the 747. (OR maybe they can get a couple of Myrias??)

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):
New build or rebuild, the freighter conversion would still be a total rework of the airframe.

Which is why I was puzzled. Aren't there other options aside from a total rework of an airframe, which can be quite costly and challenging (engineering-wise)?


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26434 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4145 times:

Quoting Dimsum (Reply 8):
Oh I always thought the AN124 had more cargo space than the 747. (OR maybe they can get a couple of Myrias??)

Of course it does, but Boeing wants to modify the 744s to haul outsized pieces. These planes will look like Guppys/Belugas



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User currently offlineVS74741R From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

This what it looks like. As you can see it's a lot bigger then your average 747  wink 

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...05/photorelease/q1/pr_050218g.html



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17022 posts, RR: 67
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Quoting Dimsum (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why Boeing is acquiring second hand 747s then heavily modifying them (possibly causing engineering issues to arise) as large cargo planes for the transport of 787 parts INSTEAD of leasing (dry or wet) some antonovs or C-5s or even (on the smaller side) their own C-17s?

If you lease a plane, the owner normally doesn't allow you to modify it radically  Wink



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5131 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

Quoting Dimsum (Reply 8):
(OR maybe they can get a couple of Myrias??)

There is only one flying. Itmight take another 25 years before the second one is completed...  Silly

KL911


User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 831 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

I took a photo of the ex China Airlines -400 that will become the first -400LCF in TPE the other day, it's not of good enough quality for airliners but it shows all the area's that will be cut off.

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User currently offlineCitation X From Malaysia, joined Feb 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Do you think they have even considered the Airbus Belugas?  Silly

User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

"Do you think they have even considered the Airbus Belugas?"

I'm sure the though crossed their mind... after all, until the Beluga entered service, Airbus used Boeings.

In addition to pride, I have a feeling the aircrafts range plays a big part here. The Beluga would probably have trouble operating trans-Pacific. I'm not sure if this modified 744 can go nonstop either, but I doubt it would need to refuel more than once.



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