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Air Tahiti Nui Ads On Nonstop NYC-Tahiti  
User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7212 times:
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Nice flash piece.

Nice that it starts on Independence day.

What's the range on the A340-300? This must be coming close to that.

I am also surprised that the time difference between NYC is only 5 hours.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

[Edited 2005-04-19 05:27:42]

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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

Could you elaborate a bit more on your post please. I can hardly understand the meaning of it!

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32188 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

The route doesn't really stretch the plane's range. Papeete is closer to New York City than Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Seoul.


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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7183 times:
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Sorry, when I went to edit my original post (spell check had suggested Nui with NIH, and I pressed "replace" by mistake), it took out the web link.

Here it is:

http://www.nyctotahitinonstop.com

Apologies,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7180 times:
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What is the flight time?

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7038 times:

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 4):
What is the flight time?

About 11:30 eastbound, about 13 west



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

i was out at JFK the other day and there are signs up for TN at terminal 4

User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Papeete is closer to New York City than Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Seoul.

According to their website, JFK is 500 miles farther than NRT.

I hope they do well on this route, if not, they can always come to IAD.  Smile


User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

I'm a fan of Air Tahiti Nui, but I have to say, I see this as a big money-loser like TG (reference to another thread about TG's likely losses on JFK-BKK).

First, there's a weak sales drive. No one knows about this. I have seen no ads in NYC, on TV, billboards, newspapers, anywhere - with the lone exception of nyt.com.

Secondly, as a lifelong NYC resident, I can't think of a single person from here whom I've ever heard of vacationing in Tahiti; or anywhere in the Pacific beyond Hawaii, for that matter. There's a reason there are so many flights to the Caribbean. Not to say that this flight won't increase demand, but as it is now, the demand hardly exists for this flight.

Anyone from NYC goint to PPT can already connect through LAX. That's fine! And obviously you're unable to connect anywhere past PPT. Just don't see the point of this. We don't need this at all. I don't see this lasting long.

I feel like Air Tahiti Nui is doing this more to prove something about themselves to the outisde world. Like this is an attempt at self-validation, to show that they're a big-time airline because they fly to JFK.


User currently offlineGte439u From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
And obviously you're unable to connect anywhere past PPT.

According the Air Tahiti Nui's schedules, the flights will begin and end in SYD with PPT only being a 1- to 2-hour stop.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32188 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 7):

According to their website, JFK is 500 miles farther than NRT.

From PPT. I was saying that NYC is closer to Papeete than it is to Tokyo, not that Papeete is closer to NYC than it is to Tokyo.

PPT-NRT: 5863mi
PPT-JFK: 6289mi
JFK-NRT: 6745mi



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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
First, there's a weak sales drive. No one knows about this. I have seen no ads in NYC, on TV, billboards, newspapers, anywhere - with the lone exception of nyt.com

Actually there is a billboard on Houston between Greene and Wooster (I think) for www.nyctotahitinonstop.com. However there is no mention of Air Tahiti Nui or anything for that matter. It has some lines representing NYC then connected to some other lines that I can only assume look like a Tahitian mask of some sort. To the lay person they'd likely have no idea what the billboard is trying to represent.


User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
Secondly, as a lifelong NYC resident, I can't think of a single person from here whom I've ever heard of vacationing in Tahiti; or anywhere in the Pacific beyond Hawaii, for that matter.

That's what I was thinking too. You should be an "on call" sales rep for the airline. They probably need a fan in NYC.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
From PPT. I was saying that NYC is closer to Papeete than it is to Tokyo, not that Papeete is closer to NYC than it is to Tokyo.

Sorry, misread.


User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
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Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
First, there's a weak sales drive. No one knows about this. I have seen no ads in NYC, on TV, billboards, newspapers, anywhere - with the lone exception of nyt.com.



Quoting Airzim (Reply 11):
Actually there is a billboard on Houston between Greene and Wooster

There is another on 18th Street and 7th Avenue. I feel their ads are very low key. I think given the cold winter we have had, any photo of sunny Tahiti would be more effective. But then again, I am not a creative director.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
Secondly, as a lifelong NYC resident, I can't think of a single person from here whom I've ever heard of vacationing in Tahiti; or anywhere in the Pacific beyond Hawaii, for that matter. There's a reason there are so many flights to the Caribbean. Not to say that this flight won't increase demand, but as it is now, the demand hardly exists for this flight.

I do know some couples who have honeymooned there, but I agree that it is a great psychological barrier to ask someone to be 14:00 on a flight to get to paradise, whereas the competition (Caribbean) is only 3-5 hours away. I think again, their ad could be more to that point -- come see the real paradise and show why Tahiti stands out (if there is such differentiation). Finally, no mention of perhaps connecting service to Sydney, which if they offered, may also draw some customers.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

So Air Tahiti Nui has at least two ads on bus stops in Manhattan that give the newyorktotahitinonstop.com web address, and don't even state the airline's name? And it doesn't even mention the possibility of connecting to SYD?

That is one sorry marketing campaign. It's almost hard to take them seriously. This is really similar to TG, for those of you who have read the TG to JFK thread. Why are they even going to the trouble? Is it just for their image, so they can announce to the world that they fly to JFK?


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

They don't have to. That's why travel agents exist. All or most travel to Tahiti from the US are packaged vacations booked through travel agencies. As long as the TA's knows about it, that's all that matters and belive me, they know. Besides, the Caribbean is not that popular in the Summer.

Another important factor is that this is actually a JFK-SYD flight with a stop in PPT. I can see some business travelers taking advantage of this route to spend a couple of R&R days in Tahiti on their way to/from NYC.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

THere are ads here in the Washington Post. They also have a deal where you can fly to Tahiti and stay in a 4 star hotel for about $ 2800 all inclusive.

It sounds amazing. I may do it.


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 14):
So Air Tahiti Nui has at least two ads on bus stops in Manhattan that give the newyorktotahitinonstop.com web address, and don't even state the airline's name? And it doesn't even mention the possibility of connecting to SYD?

Actually the billboard is huge encompassing the entire side of the building. It looks very similar to the layout of the web page intro.


User currently offlineTomindc From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

From personal experience, I'd welcome this from the East Coast. My partner and I flew to Tahiti last May with a connection at LAX -- UA non-stop from IAD to LAX. We would have much preferred a short flight to JFK (although that's certainly not my favorite airport!) and then non-stop to Tahiti. On our return from our Tahiti vacation, at least 5 passengers from Air Tahiti Nui in LAX connected to our same flight to IAD on UA. Obviously I don't know the economics of this, but if offered the JFK vs LAX connection from Washington, I'd leap at the JFK option. And, by the way, the Air Tahiti Nui service in Business Class was first rate!

Tom


User currently onlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6095 times:
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Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
Besides, the Caribbean is not that popular in the Summer.

The demand for most tropical beach destinations decreases in the summer.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 8):
Anyone from NYC goint to PPT can already connect through LAX.

Precisely. The demand for nonstop service is minute. The existing service via LAX connections is more than enough to handle both existing and future demand.

TN expanding to JFK nonstops is nothing more than the carrier's ego run amok. Like TG to BKK, there are plenty of other options to handle the demand, and not enough local demand to fill the aircraft on an ongoing basis. This flight will really put a financial dent into an otherwise very good operation.



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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5922 times:

Well all i know is that if i want to go to the beach there is noway i'm going to fly for 13 hours, when i could just pop down to the caribbean in 4 hours time

User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Air Tahiti flying to NYC should work well over time.
A French person going to Tahiti on holiday can stop off in NYC. Not necessarily an unappealing idea. Somebody from NZ/Aust can fly straight to New York with a stop off in Tahiti, for many people more appealing than via Los Angeles. You also have to look at it from the perspective of Emirates looking to fly AKL-JFK and just about everything else. This changes everything in my view. You can expect over time more cities in North America to have flights downunder. To be more competitive on Aust/NZ/US routes airlines like NZ and TN will fly to more destinations in North America. This gets their premium cabins closer to the market rather than just flying out of California.


User currently onlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5866 times:
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Quoting RichardJF (Reply 21):
This gets their premium cabins closer to the market rather than just flying out of California

There's only one flaw with that statement. 80% of the USA-Tahiti market originates in California, Oregon and Washington. Unless the Tahiti tourist board is going to get out there and convince New Yorkers to fly 13 hours to Tahiti instead of 4 hours to the Caribbean, I just don't see it happening. Further, although accommodation and food in the Caribbean can be expensive, there are an enormous number of package deals that keep prices extremely competitive. Tahiti cannot even come close in its pricing based on just food and lodging. Try selling that to New Yorkers!

I'm not saying that there aren't New Yorkers who will jump at the chance for a nonstop flight to Tahiti. I'm just saying that there aren't enough to make it the service financially viable. Further, for TN to compete with QF and NZ for the beyond market, they would have to offer daily service to attract the business market. That's just way too many seats in the back cabin to sustain.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

having been to Tahiti and the Carribean both, Tahiti is a much more expensive place to vacation. There is a plus and minus to this. The plus is it doesnt really matter what Air Tahiti Nui charges, people will pay, because the people going to Tahiti are upper class wealthy Americans anyways. The minus... is that that is a small amount of people, considering the huge middle class, most of whom can afford a trip to the carribean. There are no cheap resorts in Tahiti, and no cheap deals. If you go to Tahiti, be prepared to spend a lot of money. This goes for everything. As far as i remember... outside of Papeete... there's not many places to eat besides the hotel restaurants... and those are ripoffs, with drinks (ala COKE) $4-7.

The other thing i am thinking of... is Air France flies their 744 frmo CDG. 1/2 of the passangers on the LAX-PPT leg are French, so if they are willing to spend two days on an airplane, i am sure the upper class of New York will spend 13 hours to get there as well.

From my point of view, Tahiti is not comparable to the carribean. It is like comparing North/South Carolina to the Dominican Republic or St. Maarten or Aruba, both are beaches... but only a fraction of those in the carolinas could afford to go to the carribean... you get the point

TWA902



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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5809 times:
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Even if ATN were to try to siphon JFK-SYD traffic, they will have a problem in not having a daily service from either point. If business passengers were to use ATN to get to JFK or SYD, they may be looking for more flexibility to fly any day of the week (and in short notices).

My additional $0.02.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


25 FlySSC : I think you've never been to Tahiti ... or you would never even think of making that kind of comparison. In that case, why would Californian go to Ta
26 PA110 : Fly SSC, it's dangerous to make assumptions. 1. I've been to Tahiti several times. Living on the West Coast and working in the industry affords me tha
27 Post contains images Airbazar : What is amazing is all the people here who seem to know better than the executives of a well run airline Trust me, if there was no market they wouldn'
28 Aerofan : Airbaz "What is amazing is all the people here who seem to know better than the executives of a well run airline Trust me, if there was no market they
29 Corsair2 : Interestingly enough having been to Bora Bora and told people about this incredible place most people did not even know where Tahiti, Bora Bora, Moore
30 PA110 : Funny, Timbuktu exists as well.
31 AOMlover : Hehe, on the flash animation of the newyorktotahitinonstop website, the aircraft doesn't even land at Tahiti, but at Bora Bora. Tahiti Faaa airport is
32 Gte439u : I don't think that any posts have suggested that French Polynesia will become the new St. Maarten or Dominican Republic. Air Tahiti Nui will, instead
33 RichardJF : . exactly! It would easily be the best route to get from New Zealand to New York I don't see why it won't work. It is not comparable to the Caribbean
34 SAS_A330-300 : Personally I don't think travel time have so much to do with. Once you have reached your paradise you've totally forgot about how long time it took to
35 Zkojh : lets see what, nz and ek do, plans are being drwan up to fly form akl to jfk direct, in the next couple of years, so there must be the pax there ..
36 N77014 : I saw the much mentioned ad in The Village last week...It took a moment for me to realize it was an Air Tahiti Nui ad. I like subtle marketing...but i
37 AirlineBrat : I've been to Hawaii and the Caribbean. They were beautiful places however it was a fast pace paradise full of traffic, petty crime, busy restaurants a
38 Flying Belgian : Great to hear that. Actually TN is expanding quite carefully but they seem to be doing good on each route they opened. FB.
39 FutureFO : Waiting for the TN 345's to start service. That would be a great a/c for the route. Sean from MCO and MKE
40 Post contains links BigPhilNYC : That's a pretty exciting flight to add. A lot of the NY guys are pumped. http://nycaviation.com/news
41 N1120A : Well, seeing as the existing 1-stop via LAX with QF is only 3 days a week, they don't have much of a choice. Actually, LAX-SYD is over 14.5 hours wit
42 MAH4546 : It would be a waste. JFK-PPT a "super long haul". It is even shorter than JFK-NRT. It is well within the A343s range.
43 Dutchjet : Firstly, Air Tahiti Nui is not getting the A345, they did study the type for a PPT-CDG nonstop and elected against it - the airline determined that it
44 Lrgt : ...and the other 20% is from the Chicagoland area! This flight will only work if it is made daily and to fill it with 90% JFK/SYD traffic!
45 Justplanecrazy : Im flying from London to Tahiti via LA with ANZ in june then onto to Bora bora 19 hours in the air.Ive been there before and ive also been to the cari
46 NYCFlyer : I wouldn't compare European proclivities to travel to the Seychelles to NYC people going to Tahiti, for two reasons: 1) there are no tropical resort
47 AF Cabin Crew : Ia Orana All !!! Just to tell you that tonight at 2345 one of Air Tahiti Nui's A343 will leave Faa'a International airport for JFK on an 11 hour fligh
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