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777-200LR In Qantas Colors Very Soon?  
User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12233 times:

I wouldn't normally make a statement like this, however, over the past week I have heard some (noise) from people involved with QF directly and others waiting to be involved (pilots on waiting lists) and they are all saying the same thing; that Qantas has booked a very large amount of simulator time for the 777-200LR.

I guess this can only mean one thing champagne , unless there is another reason why QF would do this? Or maybe it is just not true. ( I hope not)

After QF management for so long have believed that the 777 is not the right aircraft for the Qantas fleet, it seems now they may have had a change of heart.


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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12158 times:

If as is said- there is no way to (economically) fly LHR-SYD noth directions; is there perhaps another direct destination in mind? Is SYD-NYC possible? Some other North American destination?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11850 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12150 times:
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Was there any word on when a possible order would be announced? It makes sense for QF to operate the B777 now since NZ will become a new operator in September and the B773ER will replaced the B744s in about 10 years

User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12148 times:

SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) NYC (40°43'N 74°01'W) 9938 mi
LHR (51°28'39"N 00°27'41"W) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 10573 mi


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9107 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12119 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):

You never know. NZ might order the A 380 or the B 747 Advanced instead.


User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

I did not want to elaborate too much because their could be a little Chinese whispers involved here. A few of the people who spoke to me about this believed the aircraft could be flying for QF before the A380.

If it is true, than an order could be announced very soon I guess and the aircraft would have to be in service by October 2006. I dont know if this is possible.  Confused



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11850 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12067 times:
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Quoting United Airline (Reply 4):
You never know. NZ might order the A 380 or the B 747 Advanced instead.

As far as I know, its already been confirmed that the B773ER will replace the B744 fleet. NZ have no need and will be in no way to be able to operate the A380. NZ prefers frequency on its routes.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11850 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12052 times:
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Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 5):
If it is true, than an order could be announced very soon I guess and the aircraft would have to be in service by October 2006. I dont know if this is possible.

If its ordered this month or next month then it could be possible


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

Quoting Mig21UMD (Thread starter):
I wouldn't normally make a statement like this, however, over the past week I have heard some (noise) from people involved with QF directly and others waiting to be involved (pilots on waiting lists) and they are all saying the same thing; that Qantas has booked a very large amount of simulator time for the 777-200LR.

Could this simply be to allow pilots to evaluate the aircraft to get their opinions on it?. Just because they have booked simulator time does not mean that an order has been placed or is imminent. There would be more cause for rumors if they have purchased a 777 simulator.

This isn't a my friends brothers, sister in-laws, husbands, nephew's un-born son said so is it?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
It makes sense for QF to operate the B777 now since NZ will become a new operator

It would espcially of FJ goes 777 as well. However a QF order is still someway off I would say.


User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
NZ have no need and will be in no way to be able to operate the A380. NZ prefers frequency on its routes.

Which it can't deliver into LHR presently. There will be a downgrade to 773ER in ~10 years which currently makes no sense. Will they drop this route/codeshare it with someone else?


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12000 times:

Much, much more likely to use the A345 for ultralonghaul if they're also flying the A330 and a380. While I like the 777, I think it would be a mistake on QF's part to shoehorn the type into an otherwise Airbus fleet.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11850 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11943 times:
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Quoting Zonky (Reply 9):
Will they drop this route/codeshare it with someone else?

NZ did consider re-routing the LHR sector throu SFO, but have decided not to. Code-sharing on LHR route could be an option after the B773ER has replaced the B744 fleet

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
Much, much more likely to use the A345 for ultralonghaul if they're also flying the A330 and a380. While I like the 777, I think it would be a mistake on QF's part to shoehorn the type into an otherwise Airbus fleet.

QF has more Boeing long haul then Airbus long haul and this will remain after delivery of A380


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Buying sim time really doesn't mean much of anything - numerous carriers purchase sim time to try out different aircraft, and it does not necessarily amount to anything more than an interesting sim flight.

Besides, as mentioned many times before, neither the 772LR nor A345 have the ability to fly MEL/SYD-LHR nonstop - unless and until that changes, QF is far better off continuing its 1-stop services that maximize payloads.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11810 times:

Sydney/Melbourne-New York and Perth-Heathrow nonstop are already feasible both ways with the 777-200LR. So is Heathrow to Sydney or Melbourne; but going the other way doesn't look feasible at present, because of the prevailing winds.

This confirms that Qantas are interested - and that there may be some publicity flights later this year.

"Travelling west from Melbourne or Sydney the 777-200LR would need a stop, but could fly Perth-London and London-Perth non-stop.

"Travel agents are keen on the idea of non-stop, one-way flights from London, saying that if the opposition -- Emirates -- must make a stop both ways, why not offer non-stop in at least one direction.

"The westerly one-stop service to London could also be sold as an express service with no joining passengers at the fuel stop.

"The easterly non-stop from London to Sydney would slash up to four hours off the current 21 hours and 20 minutes from London to Sydney via Singapore."


http://www.ozflight.com.au/news/news.php?id=2869



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11636 times:

QF said last year that a 744 replacment decision would be made in May this year.

The 777/A346 were ther 2 contenders.


User currently offlineLxsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11588 times:

Any possibilities for SYD(or MEL)-FCO and SYD(or MEL)-ATH flights with 772LR?

User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11534 times:

Quoting Lxsaab2000 (Reply 15):
Any possibilities for SYD(or MEL)-FCO and SYD(or MEL)-ATH flights with 772LR?

Less than zero, i would imagine.


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11511 times:

Quoting Mig21UMD (Thread starter):
guess this can only mean one thing , unless there is another reason why QF would do this? Or maybe it is just not true. ( I hope not)

Why do you hope not?

Quoting United Airline (Reply 4):
You never know. NZ might order the A 380 or the B 747 Advanced instead.

Yeah, and backfoot on their 773ER order... Far from likely. IMO NZ will never operate an Airbus bigger than an A320. They simply have no real reason too because they are more isolated (no offence, its also true of parts of Australia) and have operated Boeing aircraft effectively in the past. Their recent 787, 773ER order ought to see them through for a while anyway.

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 5):
I did not want to elaborate too much because their could be a little Chinese whispers involved here. A few of the people who spoke to me about this believed the aircraft could be flying for QF before the A380.

More fuel for the rumour mill. But I find it very difficult to believe for one that QF could have a 777 delivered before mid to late 06 without seriously cutting some other airlines lunch on the production line.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8):
There would be more cause for rumors if they have purchased a 777 simulator.

Agreed, and to further that BR already had 777 training captains and rated airmen late last year for 777 orders that are due to be delivered starting late this year. There is a massive amount of planning in this regard and if that were the case you would definitely know something already. IMO, this sim time is nothing more than an evaluation of the systems with view to greater interest.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
While I like the 777, I think it would be a mistake on QF's part to shoehorn the type into an otherwise Airbus fleet.

Yeah cos QF mostly operate Airbus... B743/4/ER's, 763ER's, 734/8's, 712's (JQ currently and former impulse). But, given that... There is no real reason for QF not to pick the 777... No major changes needed at Mascot for it and considering that QF have shown interest, I doubt they think there will be an integration issues.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Travel agents are keen on the idea of non-stop, one-way flights from London, saying that if the opposition -- Emirates -- must make a stop both ways, why not offer non-stop in at least one direction.

Not a fan of that article.

To further this a little more. I would seriously doubt that the fleet planning guys at QF would think that the 772LR gives them more opportunities than the 773ER does. After all, if it is touted as a B744 replacement then capacity is going to be an issue. Although QF have expressed their interest in "hub-busting," there is barely anything the 773ER can't give QF that the 772LR can... The trade off is capacity of the 773ER or the range of the 772LR. My bet is that the consideration will go to the 773ER.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11850 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11493 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 14):
QF said last year that a 744 replacment decision would be made in May this year.

That will only be for QFs oldest B744s. QF have said several times that the B744 will remain as the back bone of the long haul fleet


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11451 times:

Quoting Lxsaab2000 (Reply 15):
Any possibilities for SYD(or MEL)-FCO and SYD(or MEL)-ATH flights with 772LR?

You'll find that QF have little to no interest in these destinations purely because of the limited travel market. It has been tried before and has found to be a wasted use of resources.



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4096 posts, RR: 90
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11424 times:
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Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 17):
Not a fan of that article

I am. I travel the sector LHR-SYD a minimum of 12 times a year. If offered non-stop, even if one sector only, they'll have 1 very loyal F Class customer and there are plenty more like me that would like it too..

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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

No problem to do non-stop with either, Lxsaab2000, if the traffic is there. In fact I expect that they could do those with the Triple Seven ER (Extended Range), which goes about 7,750 nms., carries more payload (up to 365 passengers), and needs less than 50,000 gallons of fuel - haven't checked the actual distances, though.

[Edited 2005-04-19 15:01:01]


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User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 20):



Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 20):
Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 17):
Not a fan of that article

I am. I travel the sector LHR-SYD a minimum of 12 times a year. If offered non-stop, even if one sector only, they'll have 1 very loyal F Class customer and there are plenty more like me that would like it too..

I second that. Looking after one one of the largest corporate travel accounts in Australia that sends dozens of pax to LHR / JFK / RDU every week. There would be a lot of pax who would opt for a non stop LHR / JFK or a one stop RDU service via DFW. I am sure of a big demand for SYD/DFW to link the AA hub city of DFW.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11367 times:

In addition to range restrictions, the other problem with nonstop flights is cargo - the nonstop flights would be heavily payload restricted, and QF's Euro-Oz strategy depends in part on hauling heavy cargo loads. EK, SQ, et. al. would therefore retain a revenue-generating ADVANTAGE over a nonstop QF flight.


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11335 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 14):
QF said last year that a 744 replacment decision would be made in May this year

This has apparently been pushed back to 2nd half of this year. Also the scope has apparently been broadened to include 787 and A350 which would make sense for the replacement of the 767 fleet which by the time deliveries begin will be about 20 years old.


25 Monteycarlos : I was simply referring to the fact that I don't like travel agents. But honestly, I don't believe QF will buy the 772LR just so it can operate SYD/ME
26 Post contains images NAV20 : Montey, with respect, Lks was talking about Rome/Athens - definitely ER country! Tend to agree with you that there probably isn't enough traffic   Pr
27 Monteycarlos : Sorry, but I thought you were still talking about SYD-JFK? Rome and Athens are definately a no-go for QF. I can tell you here and now there is no vol
28 NAV20 : The QF order for A380s is interesting in its own right. First of all, from memory, it was placed in 2000 or 2001, when the 787/772LR were not even th
29 Monteycarlos : Nah they're firm orders... It would be a breach of contract and would be extremely costly at this point. Not sure where you heard this but the first
30 Post contains images NAV20 : Just said it was 'interesting', Montey Since it's pretty well-known that the price for Qantas' A380s is only $US150M. a shot (a lot less than it will
31 TFSPhoto : Sorry Removed the post - Off Topic.[Edited 2005-04-19 22:28:04]
32 TFSPhoto : Posted on Behalf of a friend.. He is watching this topic. I've heard from a partial official source that Qantas are upgrading their entire 744 fleet's
33 PANAM_DC10 : Ok, though I am not a travel agent! I do see your point and look forward to when QF do announce which aircraft they will acquire. I too feel that the
34 Gigneil : SYD-FCO and SYD-ATH are far outside the range of either the 777-200ER or the 777-300ER. N
35 Avek00 : Like whom? Third-country carriers won't be able to get the authorities, and the barriers to entry are too high for new entrants.
36 Galapagapop : I think a 772LR and 773ER combo would work. QF is and has been interested in the 777 before, heck they had a lot of influence on its design during Boe
37 QFA001 : All B777 derivatives have the same cockpit. Are you sure that your source has picked the correct derivative? The other way around: eastbound non-stop
38 Keesje : Maybe capasity requirements were a little different.. Maybe range requirements were a little different..
39 Post contains links and images Keesje : A source from the industry, coincidently visiting Sydney, warns for potential dangers of introducing lots of A380's. He thinks 400 or 300 seaters like
40 Thrust : Qantas would be strange not to buy the 772LR. As someone already pointed out, all of Qantas' routes to Europe nonstop are almost all beyond the reach
41 Avek00 : Qantas would be acting strangely if they *DID* buy either the 772LR or 345 - neither aircraft can offer nonstop service ex-SYD/MEL to major Western E
42 Post contains images Monteycarlos : And I am guessing you have a credible source and that its not just pure speculation? Well as long as it is within 5% (or 3% - can't remember) then it
43 777ER : But from the other side of Australia it could be done
44 Avek00 : The other side of Australia isn't where the money lies.
45 Phxinterrupted : Western Europe is not the only market. Perhaps they are looking at expanding in North America? There are several east coast cities that could probabl
46 777ER : EK have proved this is not the case. While airlines add flights to Australia and base them at either MEL, BNE or SYD because of thats where the passe
47 Avek00 : The premium demand to Europe ex-PER pales in comparsion to the demand ex-SYD and ex-MEL. As far as nonstops to Europe go, the money is to be made by
48 Flying-Tiger : Sounds that QF wants to become Ansett Mark II... but a little of everything... the whole damn A340-500/B777-200LR is completely overrated. Not really
49 Aerofan : Well I for one hope so the 777 is a great plane
50 Avek00 : Having done LAX-SIN-LAX and EWR-SIN-EWR on the 345, and 1-stop flights to Asia via NRT/ICN in the past, I'd take an ultra-long-haul nonstop over the
51 777ER : Thats because there are more airlines operating from SYD, BNE and MEL to Europe then there are from PER.
52 Bill142 : Thats a bit overkill don't you think? the A330's have found their place on international routes. A340 on domestic runs would be a very strange and ve
53 Jacobin777 : thats a bit of a problem considering QF never really stacks upto SQ in any polls or ratings...... however, if they can go nonstop LHR-SYD/PER/MEL, an
54 QFA001 : If you really don't believe that the market and customers are one and the same, then there is nothing that I can do to argue against you. Funny enoug
55 Unicorn : I would be very careful quoting this article. It is an interview with Randy Baseler, head of Marketing for BOEING! Strangely enough he says buying ca
56 Post contains images Qantas077 : of course it pales in comparison, just look at the amount of carriers Syd, Mel and Bne attracts that don't come to Perth, you have no idea how boomin
57 Jupiter2 : Don't under estimate the marketing clout of being able to do LHR/SYD or MEL nonstop, even if it is only eastbound. The prestige involved, the "only "
58 Avek00 : ...and therein lies the problem - the premium cabin demand ex-PER is weaker, making it a poor choice for a route that would require a hefty PREMIUM o
59 Dalecary : A bit over the top isn't it??? Perth, the engine room of Australia!!!! Me thinks not. I consistently read how empty CX 330 flights to HKG are in all
60 Pipo777 : Actually its Economics 101, and if you did it you'd realise that a market is not made up of induvidual customers.
61 RichardJF : excellent point. Your average person in Australia doesn't follow the industry just people on A.net. That said everybody in Australia would know if QF
62 Monteycarlos : I think you need to read my post, and maybe think before you post. I never said a market didn't have induvidual customers in it... I said it behaves
63 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Thinking about it, the mere fact that Randy Baseler is in Sydney at the moment pretty well confirms the substance of this thread . Montey, about the p
64 QFA001 : I'm going to say it again: the markets sought flown (by QF or any airline) are governed by the customer and the number of customers. I was just about
65 Post contains images QFA001 : Randy's job isn't to sell airplanes, it's to forecast sales. So, it doesn't confirm anything.
66 Sydscott : Why confine this argument to AUS-Europe services? A 777LR could be used by Qantas for a return to direct San Francisco service or could be used to Va
67 Qantas077 : read the sentence carefully, i said Western Australia is booming and that the states economy is the countries engineroom and whether anyone else like
68 Monteycarlos : Did I say anything about the price of the A380? I didn't even know QF paid $150m until you said... I think it might be someone elses post you're refe
69 Qantasclub : Interesting thread. The more I think of it, the 772LR seems like a logical choice for Qantas. It certainly has enough viable options with it to justif
70 Avek00 : It would cost an arm and a leg, and that's the issue. Even if 300 people are flying PER-LHR daily via 1-stops, QF would not get all or perhaps even m
71 Avek00 : Additionally, God isn't making any more LHR slots AFAIK, so QF would be a fool to give up a 744/380 at LHR for a 772 to PER, IMHO.
72 777ER : Doesn't QF already use SIN as a European Hub
73 Sydscott : QF has extra slots at the moment, that is how it's building it's HKG-LHR route. I saw an article today which said that if all the current airlines, w
74 NAV20 : I get the same feeling, Qantas077. As far as I'm concerned, if WA can make it work, go for it. I reckon NSW/Victoria get enough priority as it is (ev
75 Post contains images TeamREGAL : That conclusion is only and I mean only accepted by some of us here (excluding myself). Remember, we have yet to see any of the results from the 772L
76 Rj111 : Teamregal, There is not a chance the 772LR will be able to operate SYD-LHR witout payload restrictions. But it may have an improved performance, i dou
77 ANstar : Given the amount of noise the QF Cabin Crew make about basing jobs overseas... I doubt we'll see a HUGE SIN hub. Great Idea, but the unions would nev
78 TeamREGAL : I'm not saying that it won't have payload restrictions...you and I are basically in agreement about the plane's potential improved performance. REGAL
79 Antares : Guys and girls, A few things to mull over. The figures Qantas 077 quoted for fares and loads miss the point totally. Half of those fares are being sol
80 Sydscott : Where do you want me to begin refuting that??? How about the fact that all the Engineers from overseas need to get to the mines and the Northwest she
81 Antares : Sydscott, BHP Billiton is controlled from London. There are not only fewer people working for it in Australia than before, but Chip Goodyear its CEO i
82 RichardJF : Antares-Do you believe the 777-200LR wouldn't make sense for QF at this point?
83 Post contains images Sydscott : I know I was only pointing where it's Australian headquarters are. WMC doesn't have a particularly large headquarters anyway. Plus it's execs don't d
84 Antares : Hi Sydscott, You bet I will, mixed with pride and sorrow like all of us of course. Um, I have bad news about Chip. He not only rides economy interstat
85 Post contains images Qantas077 : i'm sure he doesn't ride his push bike from one continent to the next though... go to any major travel agent in the country and they'll sell you the
86 Post contains images Sydscott : And I sure as hell wouldn't let him on a plane in lycra!!!!! I'll bet he's not in cattle class Internationally though!!!! Shell gives their ex-pat em
87 777ER : Just need to look at how well the B773ER performed compared to what Boeings first thoughts were before it started test flights You said it
88 Antares : Have to agree with Qantas 077 about the value of fares to the customer, although I do buy premium fares these days on longer flights, and always off a
89 Aussie747 : I's like to know where you get 4 to 5k for a return J class fare. Working for a large corporate chain that controls travel for 5 of the largest 7 acc
90 Unicorn : The figures you quote came from Baseler, once again it's no surprise that he is suggesting not buying A380s and buying 777s. Don't people even look a
91 Post contains images Sydscott : Yes I did which was why I used the traffic example and left out his anti A380 rhetoric. No-where did I turn my post into an anti-A380 one. I merely s
92 Post contains images NAV20 : Dead right, I reckon, Rj111. Montey, you’re partly right, in that, up to a point, the more fuel you carry, the more fuel you use. And aeroplanes ge
93 Ktachiya : But don't forget the B767-300 that Australian operates, the B747-300 that QF has (if they upgraded the cabins with PTV and all that, I think QF has f
94 Antares : Sorry RichardJF I missed your query. In my opinion No to the -200LR but Yes, and it should have been Yes years ago, to the -300ER. That jet won't do t
95 777ER : Whats 'mpg'? EK and SQ?
96 Qantas077 : anyone have any idea where Qantas comes up with the figure of $15000 for a flight from Perth to London return? i'm yet to see what on earth is worth $
97 777ER : Via some places possibly? Its been said before that QF are neglecting other International Airports and BNE and MEL by moving the flights to operate o
98 NAV20 : Sorry, 777ER - 'mpg' = 'miles per gallon'. Showing my - 'pre-metric' - age.......
99 Post contains images Aa777jr : Would like to see QF flying to more cities in NA. than just SFO, LAX, etc. Come on DFW with that new shiny terminal! Regards!
100 Sydscott : There are international airports apart from SYD in Australia???? Sssshhhh don't tell anyone at Qantas!!!!!
101 Rj111 : The 773ER's improvements have already been factored into the updated predicted ranges of the 772LR, thus nothing significant is likely to come from i
102 Monteycarlos : I refer you to: Shevell, Richard S.(1989)The Fundamentals of Flight 2nd Ed. Prentice Hall Inc. Upper Saddle River, NJ USA. Its not my logic... its wh
103 Zvezda : That is exactly why there will not be ultra-long haul flights from PER. Ultra-long haul is expensive to operate and only viable where first and busin
104 Antares : Looking at the space consumed by 777s with a high proportion of premium passengers such as the BA 777-200s, my guess is that IF Qantas tried to deploy
105 Dalecary : More like 250 pax Antares, with meaningful cargo uplift as well. That is why in all likelihood SQ will switch from 345 to 772LR. The case is there fo
106 777ER : Thanks LOL The B772LR hasn't even started test flights yet and there is a very good chance that the performace will increase considering Boeings succ
107 Post contains links and images Monteycarlos : For those of you who wish to see the 772LR is QF colours, here you are... http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00000302 I'
108 Avek00 : 777ER: Even if the 772LR received a generous 1-2% range boost in flight testing, that wouldn't help much: PER-LHR 7829 nm SYD-LHR 9188 nm MEL-LHR 9127
109 Sydscott : Stuff that, I want to see restricted capacity so the airlines can charge higher fares and make more $$$ so my Qantas shares go up!!!!!! YAY for MAP a
110 Post contains images Monteycarlos : Nah you want diseconomies of scale. Its more fun to watch chaos and panic. You would have been better off taking that money and throwing it on a hors
111 Antares : Dalecary, I've just picked up a seat map for the BA 777-200 but dated northern summer 2003, so these figures may have changed a little. There are 16 i
112 Post contains links NAV20 : I think you're exaggerating the 'privations' of long-range flights there, Antares. At Mach 0.84 I make the 'still air' time PER-LHR 16 hours - not th
113 Dalecary : Antares, no, I'm talking around 250 pax. Look at the BA seating configurations all you like, but have been told 250 is a reasonable number on a 772LR
114 Post contains images Sydscott : Let us all agree that Qantas will not buy an aircraft just to fly out of Perth. Qantas has never been that imaginative for one plus the commercial ri
115 Post contains images NAV20 : Agree with you about Sydney, Sydscott. But let's not forget that LHR-SYD in one hop is already feasible. A quick fuel stop going the other way maybe w
116 Post contains images Monteycarlos : LOL, one of the lucky ones eh? A word of advice, sell!!! Put your money into potatoes or something! hehe (that or an oil company ) Ok (this is nothin
117 Sydscott : But is it economic an the airline to offer it??? When the 747 came out the upper deck was used as a lounge area and look at it now. There are all sor
118 Antares : Dalecarey, You must be kidding if you think anyone would fly a 777-200 sized jet on ultra long range flights with 21 MORE seats than BA does now. The
119 RichardJF : Antares- Wouldn't it be the case for airlines like QF or NZ to have some long haul aircraft just with premium economy and standard economy?
120 Antares : RichardJF, You are probably onto something there. Have occasionally thought that Australian or a longer haul version of Pacific Blue would go down tha
121 777ER : QF yes, NZ no as NZ don't have any B772LR options on their options list and because NZ don't need the LR type
122 RichardJF : 777ER- BTW are NZ likely to test run the 777 into WLG as an alternate. After all Her Majesty flew into town on a BA 777.
123 NAV20 : No problem at all, Montey - we're all 'spitballing' about possibilities. Rather feel that the key, as others have said, is really the Eastern USA, no
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