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Airbus: ''First A380 Flight Not Before Monday''  
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18109 times:

Airbus announced that the First A380 flight will be in the week of 25 april, stating that it won't be this week yet and it isn't certain that it will fly on the monday mentioned on the forums.....






source: Luchtvaartnieuws.nl

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User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18050 times:

Wow i wonder if this thing will ever get off the ground. Reminds me of a poll done on A.net in 2000 asking "do you think the A3XX will ever fly?" about 1/3 said "probably not". I think im part of that 1/3 now Big grin


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17956 times:

Wow i wonder if this thing will ever get off the ground. Reminds me of a poll done on A.net in 2000 asking "do you think the A3XX will ever fly?" about 1/3 said "probably not". I think im part of that 1/3 now

yeah , extanding the first take-off with 3-6 day's is a disaster, wich states that it won't fly. NOT


just some delay, thats all...


User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17872 times:

The A380 will fly. I hope its test flight go well and are safe. I would rather them delay the test flight and get it right then rush it and have an accident.

It will fly and it will be successful. At least I hope it will be. Competition is GOOD! And with time, people might even think that it looks better, at least when it is flying.

KhenleyDIA



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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17850 times:

Airbus makes just sure that everything is alright before the first flight. If you build a remote controlled aircraft, you have to make sure that everything is alright before you take off the first time. That's the same here, but much bigger and much much more expensive.
I think this delay is comparing to the whole project not even worth to mention it.
I whish Airbus all the best for the first flight of the A380!!! Many happy landings... (and take offs...)

Regards,
Patrick



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17799 times:

At the moment most of western Europe has quite sh*tty weather. I think they´ll wait until monday for the weather to stabilise before they attempt the first flight.

Jan


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17756 times:

You folks know the old saying, "it's not about the goal, but the journey", makes me kind of sad. Forgive me, I grew up around people who have given more of a damn about the goal and not the journey.

I guess I have gotten used of following along the progress of something only to see it fail (oddly enough I loved that new movie called SIN CITY because of its never ending plot -- hell my own life is a never ending plot  Yeah sure ), as if following a plane's was itself a journey, the goal being the first flight. I've seen a lot of those in my life; first with all those kids books that foretold extreme transports by 2010 began X-30, SSBJ, X-33, 745X, 746X, HCST, 747 X stretch, Hypersoar, Sonic Cruiser, etc. Makes me real sick after a while.

I suppse it confuses me, if there wasn't a market for something why invest to show it off to impress future customers in the first place? Essentially every product that I mentioned had enough of a precieved market that warranted investment but somehow that precieved market disappeared such that the organization has no choice to abandon. I have always wondered, why not do as much market research as possible first before spending money? That way we can be sure? Airbus and Boeing did to the best of theie combined abilities with A380 and 787 respectively, whether we believe it is actually irrelevent.

Though I've been following A3XX/A380 since conception, it's just going to be another one of those dreams that end when she flies. Keep in mind I got used to seeing failures, if A380 failed I will not be cheering; I will feel bad, like I jinxed it by getting interested. Likewise I ruin movie experiences by reading what critics claim. I'm susperstitious yes very much so, be quiet; it is justified in my belief of precieved lack of faith in the people in charge of the aviation industry. Big grin



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User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17749 times:

Also, remember the A320 airshow crash way back? They can't have that happen with the A380. It would sink both their PR and their budget. They will wait until everything is right then they will go.

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17714 times:

What's the rush?

It will fly soon enough. I'm sure that Airbus would prefer a blue sky, sunshine day for all those PR photos


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1617 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17713 times:

a quick look at the weather forcast does not look good for Toulouse.

Poor & very poor visibilty over the next 5 days, plus some rain!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=5007


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17722 times:

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 7):
Also, remember the A320 airshow crash way back? They can't have that happen with the A380.

What absolute rubbish, the A320 crash was nothing to do with being too quick with a few days testing!


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17492 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 9):
a quick look at the weather forcast does not look good for Toulouse.

Poor & very poor visibilty over the next 5 days, plus some rain!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.sh...=5007

Hmmm, I wouldn't put too much faith in that. The BBC can't even get the weather in London right so what chance have they got with toulouse?

If you want reasonably accurate weather, go to www.wunderground.com or for airport weather go to http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/



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User currently offlinePiedmontnut From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17468 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
At the moment most of western Europe has quite sh*tty weather. I think they´ll wait until Monday for the weather to stabilize before they attempt the first flight.

Indeed. Far better to wait for better weather conditions. Nothing wrong with that.



May the A380 arrive @ MCO in the near future.
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17281 times:

Quoting Star_world (Reply 10):
Quoting Cloudy (Reply 7):
Also, remember the A320 airshow crash way back? They can't have that happen with the A380.
What absolute rubbish, the A320 crash was nothing to do with being too quick with a few days testing!

I think the user was talking about "perception", the way the public would look at, which would not always be the truth.



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User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16385 times:

I am sure weather will improve very soon. I come from Toulouse (check my user name) and I know what I am talking about.

Quoting Espion007 (Reply 1):
Wow i wonder if this thing will ever get off the ground. Reminds me of a poll done on A.net in 2000 asking "do you think the A3XX will ever fly?" about 1/3 said "probably not". I think im part of that 1/3 now

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User currently offlineLazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16165 times:

Quoting Star_world (Reply 10):
What absolute rubbish, the A320 crash was nothing to do with being too quick with a few days testing!

Calm down Star world  Smile Cloudy does have a point. Keep in mind the last a/c Airbus lost in testing was an A330 in Toulouse. Airbus would take every possible precaution and more. To make the first flight a total success. Look out for the words, "its performed better than expected"

I don't think airbus could hide this first flight even if it was at night!! I reckon the FFAS mob are sleeping on site now Big grin


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16066 times:

Do you think that the guys in power at Airbus are nervous about the first flight? I got to think of it as they are probably waiting for the best weather and optimal conditions. I think i'd be sweating pretty badly if i were in their shoes! (Even though it will 99,9% surely fly eventless)

 Smile


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15593 times:

Will it fly? Of course it will.

Will it meet the Airbus claims of performance? That is the real question. Noel's A380 Forehead has more sweat on it from this than the 1st flight. IMO they will miss it by 3-4%.

Personally, my take on 1st flight will be to immediately head out over water after rotation. Orbit for 30min, then head for the ILS. We will then see at least another 30 days until the next flight.



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User currently offlineJumpJet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14914 times:

I have to giggle when some of you good folks on A-net adopt a luddite (sorry to our transatlantic cousins - you'll have to look that one up!) approach to the A380 and whether it'll fly or not... I suspect a great deal of these comments may very well be somewhat "tongue in cheek".

Simply take a look at the C17 Globemaster III, whoops - (now a Boeing product, hoho!!!!!!). It appears to have the aerodynamic qualities of a house brick, it's as ugly as a badly smacked baby's bum, yet to see it wheeling over a crowded display line at 1000 feet with everything hanging out at ridiculously slow speeds, is a truly wondrous sight. I know that if I was offered a trip on one, I'd be off like a shot.

I find it hard to believe that the "it'll never fly" and "you wouldn't get me up in one of those" brigade are serious - you're not are you chaps?

If I got the phone call from Toulouse this afternoon, you wouldn't see me for dust!!


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17029 posts, RR: 67
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14474 times:

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 7):
Also, remember the A320 airshow crash way back? They can't have that happen with the A380. It would sink both their PR and their budget. They will wait until everything is right then they will go.

While I agree that a crash would have a huge PR impact, the 320 and 330 crashes were both due to pilot error, and I would assume the pilots have learned from these lessons. Nothing was wrong with the planes.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineLoveDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13711 times:

How was the 320 crash caused by pilot error? If I remember correctly, they couldn't override the computer. Am I missing something?

User currently offlineMischadee From Sweden, joined Apr 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13540 times:

Weather for Tuesday looks quite good according to www.wunderground.com.
I will cross my fingers.

Mischa.



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User currently offlineJbond From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13514 times:

f/f perhaps 26apr (according weather conditions)

1 RTO this morning
1 high speed rolling this afternoon (100kt)

news photos on screening

cheers
yann/ffas


User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13193 times:

It'll fly, but on a time schedule of their choosing. And not that of aviation enthusiests anxiously awaiting its first departure. We all just have to be patient.


Everyday you're alive is a good day.
User currently offlineHirisk From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

the 320 crash was not the computers fault.neither the pilots or airbus for that matter even visited the aerodrome where the airshow was.the flight plan was to do 2 fly-by's.one at low speed w/flaps and gear down and the second at high speed.when they did the first(and last sadly)they decended the less then 100 feet off the ground when they realized that what they thought was an open field was a forest.if anything,the the airplane did everything in its own to avoid the trees.from the FDR,the investigators determined that the engines spooled up faster the what the book said was possable.the accident was 100% pilot error.as a result,3 pax on the airplane were killed(2 kids and 1 adult who went back in to save them.)


happy contrails
25 Post contains links NAV20 : If the A320 crash being discussed is the one at Habsheim in 1988, this article quotes John Lauber, Airbus vice-president for safety and technical affa
26 Glidepath73 : Who could give more information about this A330 accident? When happened this? What was the reason for the accident? Was it a A330 prototype, or a flig
27 Alberchico : Well we all knew that this week was wayyy too early........ cheers
28 Wunala : I think that AIrbus should have kept the date a secret, to stop all the doom and gloom about if it is going to fly or not. We are all looking forward
29 Fritsz : Airbus is taking absolutely no risk at the first flight of the A380. A crash during first flight will be disastrous for Airbus and will set them back
30 Milan320 : Ahh, I can't find the article, but I was reading in the english edition of Der Spiegel (although from these forums I've learned not to believe all tha
31 MIAspotter : I will be in TLS on the 26th! Hope I can see it fly, or at least on the ground doing some tests!. Anyone else is going to be there? MIAspotter
32 Post contains images Viscount630 : Well said "JumpJet"!!   [Edited 2005-04-20 18:12:03]
33 Thrust : Why do they continue to keep bumping back the date of the first flight? Sounds to me as if the A380 isn't doing that well...this thing should've flown
34 Post contains images Mark_D. : Thrust--Why do they continue to keep bumping back the date of the first flight? Sounds to me as if the A380 isn't doing that well...this thing should'
35 HAWK21M : Agreed totally. I was watching an AN124 & B744 parked on adjacent bays last night & thinking about the A380 First flight. These doubts were raised fo
36 Tockeyhockey : your condescention is really annoying. the luddites were a group of mainly rural anarchists who wanted to stop the first industrial revolution from t
37 Post contains links and images Mark_D. : Tockeyhockey Not that JumpJet wasn't overly-sweeping with his remark there, but then to borrow a few well-used lines from some of the folks around her
38 Revelation : Do you get upset when supper isn't served on time? Some times things just take longer to cook than planned. Don't worry, it'll taste just fine.
39 Bmacleod : The same things were said about the 747 early in 1969. I thought the first A380 flight was to take place in early May. Obviously they've moved it up
40 Post contains links Beaucaire : Latest films ( french local TV FR3 ) http://www.sud.france3.fr/videojt/ click on 19/20 >>Midi-Pyrénées and the first film in the evening news is all
41 AF-A319 : Such a nice movie! Impressive! Merci Beaucaire
42 Longhaulheavy : Love the movie. Merci beaucoup--
43 JBirchall : Thankyou for the link to the movie. Very interesting to see the plane move, and the shot of the small van in front of the A380 reminded me just how hu
44 Post contains images Lfutia : Impressive clip. I wanna see it lift off!
45 WhiteHatter : There's also the PR angle. Airbus won't want the cameras and lenses pointing towards it in gloomy, misty weather will they! The delay means nothing,
46 Knoxibus : Jesus!!! I was doing some tests on a/c today, and had the chance to see the A380 pass by and do the accelerations at the start of the afternoon!!! Wha
47 M27 : Looks like it would get to spend more time at the Paris airshow then!
48 Post contains images Sukhoi : Knoxibus, you gotta remember these armchair pilots know more about the A380 then all of us The aircraft was late being passed to the flight test depar
49 Prebennorholm : Just yesterday I received a picture showing the 380 doing a high speed test rotated to almost tail strike attitude with the tail one or two feet off t
50 Post contains images Starlionblue : That could be the fake one which was torn to pieces on A.net a couple of days ago
51 Airbus Lover : What makes people think the A380 won't fly? I mean we already have an AN225 flying since 1988 and the Mriya is a larger/heavier plane too. With far mo
52 Breiz : According to Airbus vice-president Philippe Delmas speaking in Beijing today, "the first flight of the A380 will be within the next 15 days". For what
53 JumpJet : Tockeyhockey I honestly wasn't being condescending and It's a shame you should interpret my comments as such. I believe that you might be being a litt
54 Post contains links and images NceBoy : Your take might be completely false. Someone on another thread post the A380 first flight plan : They will start in northerly direction in order to a
55 Post contains links JBOND : photos of the 3 last rolling (20apr) http://membres.lycos.fr/airbus/A380%20roulages%20du%2020avril2005.htm yann/ffas
56 Post contains links NAV20 : It was only after I read this that I realised that it is dated TODAY, 21st. April:- "The world's largest commercial airliner, the A380, will make its
57 JBOND : I think it will be next week (25 - 26 apr. ?) 20 apr rolling+rto 21-22 check 22 or 23 last RTO + rolling 23-24 check 25 ->ready for 1st flight. yann f
58 HAWK21M : Great Pics. Whats the Weather Forecast for Next week in the Area like. regds MEL
59 RayChuang : I've heard the A380-800 will sound quite a bit unusual because unlike normal high-bypass turbofans, the Trent 970 and GP7270 spins its 116" front fan
60 Astuteman : On that note, RR claim that the Trent 1000 fan will turn 10% slower than the Trent 900's (The Engineer, January 2005) - it's supposedly one of the bi
61 Post contains links AF B777-300 : I've found an interesting map for all the ones who want to go to Toulouse Blagnac to see the first flight of the A380 on this site : http://www.aerowe
62 TrevD : Ok kids...Let's drop the gloom and doom here. The A380 will fly and if the good people in Toulouse do their jobs right, it will only flly when everyth
63 Monteycarlos : An article in the print version of The Australian today states that many industry sources put Monday (25.4.2005) as the date of the first flight. It m
64 Alessandro : TrevorD, don´t forget the AN-225, the maiden flight was on X-mas eve 1988...
65 TrevD : Good point Alessandro - what an amazing aircraft!! Nothing like ex-Soviet heavy iron to force a large mass of aluminum into the air !!
66 TrevD : Good point Alessandro - what an amazing aircraft!! Nothing like ex-Soviet heavy iron to force a large mass of aluminum into the air !!
67 Tockeyhockey : it's cool. sorry for the over-reaction. after a while, americans get overly sensitized to being talked down to, as if we don't have a culture of our
68 Post contains links JBOND : pictures of the day new acceleration-stop this morning http://membres.lycos.fr/airbus/A380%20roulage%20du%2022avril2005.htm?
69 Post contains links and images Iwok : Jump, come on man, how can you not like this! It has so many features not found on you average tube with wings.. High mounted wings, high elevators,
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