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Canada/China New Bilateral Good For Harmony Air  
User currently offlineAstral From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Canadian Government announced today on the confirmation of a new bilateral air traffic agreement with China.
Harmony Airways is one of the three carriers (Air Canada and Cargo Jet the other two) that will start service soon. See HQ's press release at -www.harmonyairways.com/corporate/news_releases/news_release_popup_2005-04-20.shtml
Two other carriers too are considering starting service too. It will be interesting to see how the Canadian Government will designate which carrier on which routes.
Gateway cities now at 9 (original at 3), and frequency vastly increased. This new agreement will means Canada could become a interline point for South America airlines. Both Harmony Airways and Air Canada will be benefited greatly as these are the only two airlines in Canada that can interline with any international carriers. (NO, Westjet and Canjet can't because of system setup).
Full press release from Transport Canada per below -

News Release
No. H081/05
For release April 19, 2005

OTTAWA —Transport Minister Jean-C. Lapierre and International Trade Minister Jim Peterson today announced the conclusion of a new and expanded bilateral air transport agreement with the People’s Republic of China.

The new agreement provides for a three-fold increase in permitted passenger and cargo flights to be operated by more airlines between more city pairs and under more flexible operating conditions than under the previous agreement. The new agreement also contains strong aviation safety and security provisions.

“Given the rapid growth in air travel between Canada and China, this new agreement is very timely,” said Minister Lapierre. “Canada and the People’s Republic of China can be proud of the benefits this agreement will have for the travellers, shippers and airlines of both countries.”

“Expanding air services to China gives Canadians and Canadian business new doorways through which they can increase their presence in this dynamic market,” said Minister Peterson. “Canadian businesses have said they want better access to the Chinese market, and we are listening. This is a concrete example of the importance Canada places on our emerging market strategy.”

The new entitlements under the agreement for airline operations include possibilities for additional passenger, all-cargo and code-sharing air services by the airlines of Canada and China. The higher permitted frequency of weekly flights has been put in place to accommodate growing demand in the bilateral air travel market. The strong aviation safety and security provisions agreed to indicate the importance that both countries attach to these matters.

As a consequence of these improvements to the bilateral air transport arrangements, Air Canada, Cargojet and Harmony Airways intend to introduce new air services. Air Transat and All Canada Express have also expressed interest in serving China.

- 30 -

Irène Marcheterre
Director of Communications
Office of the Minister of Transport, Ottawa
(613) 991-0700 Jacqueline LaRocque
Director of Communications
Office of the Minister of International Trade, Ottawa
(613) 992-7332

Transport Canada is online at www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to news releases and speeches at apps.tc.gc.ca/listserv/ and keep up-to-date on the latest from Transport Canada.

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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

I cant wait to see what aircraft Harmony will fly. I got my money on 767-300ER or maybe even a 747-300 or 400

User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6071 times:


I think you will be right with the 767. I can't see Harmony using a 747. It will also be interesting to see which Chinese city they serve. When the airline first started up they talked of flying to Macau - an interesting choice considering no North American serves that city with scheduled service.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1859 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Quoting Kdonohue (Reply 2):
When the airline first started up they talked of flying to Macau - an interesting choice considering no North American serves that city with scheduled service

This will increase the big drug trade that is already in ports such as Vancouver.

Quoting CO737800 (Reply 1):
I got my money on 767-300ER

I guess they can find plenty of these in the deserts? I am wondering how soon these services are going to begin. But since they are based in YVR, I guess that will be the first destination from Canada.

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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Does anybody know if Hong Kong is included in this new bi-lateral agreement?

User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Hong Kong always has its own agreement, that is guantreed by Basic law, with Hong Kong Economic and Labour Bureau involve in the discussion.


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User currently offlineCXYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 3):
When the airline first started up they talked of flying to Macau

Air Macau has exclusive rights to operate air service to/from Macau. Unless Harmony strikes a deal with Air Macau, such as the ones in the works from Virgin Group, etc., then they will not be serving Macau. Macau is also a relatively small city, I would think that other cities would be more attractive as a launch destination for Transpacific service.

Also, I believe that Macau has similar authority to negotiate its own aviation agreements with foreign countries, just as Hong Kong does.

User currently offlineAstral From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Correct, both Hong Kong and Macau are Chinese SAR (Special Administration Region) and has their own power for international bilateral air agreements. Even the mother country China still have to enter separate agreements with its own 2 SARs, and do not consider both cities as domestic points.
A bilateral air agreement is between two countries/regions, only after the routes, frequency, and freedoms are agreed upon, the individual government can then 'designate' their own airline(s) to service the route. Thus there is no need for Air Macau to have any deal with Harmony Airways, similar apply to Cathay Pacific. When ever we read about bilateral agreement between China and any country (e.g. USA), it always DO NOT include Hong Kong and Macau.
Harmony Airways did announced their intension to service Macau and using it as stopover point to other SE Asia destinations. The China route is separate from the Macau one. Hong Kong was never on the agenda with Harmony.
So far no word or indication as to which city HQ would like to start service to, and using what equipment, be it Boeing or Airbus.
However, the choice of metal is rather limited as HQ did announced Guangzhou and other SW China cities (e.g. Kunming and Chengdu). When the current CEO Mr. G. Collins joined HQ, he did noted HQ is interested to acquire B787 for their future Asia routes. However, they would need bridging type before B787 delivery by 2009. Because of range, B767/A330 are both out of consideration, If HQ do chooses B787, the bridgeing type could be B777ER or B747-400, however, they can still lease A340-300 too.
Interesting to see what will happen next.

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