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What Happened To This Southwest 733?  
User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14227 times:


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What led this aircraft to this wreckage ?! Did it resume flying ?

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14203 times:


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The Remarks tell the story.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinePw2040 From Denmark, joined Nov 2004, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14165 times:

Hi Ts-ior.

Read this

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...=N668SW&airline=Southwest+Airlines

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/wn1455/photo.shtml

Greetings,
Pw2040

[Edited 2005-04-20 12:13:09]

User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14158 times:

He parked at a gas station IIRC  Wink


If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14124 times:

Was anybody held to blame or punished for this? Dare say the pax wanted a few answers!

User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14109 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 4):
Was anybody held to blame or punished for this? Dare say the pax wanted a few answers!

Even if I don't know the follow-up of the story I suppose that if you end up crashing an airliner that way your career as a pilot is pretty over...



If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14004 times:

The captain was fired; the first officer, while initially let go, was reinstated after further review.

Captain's voice on the CVR as it became apparent that the aircraft would not stop in time: "There goes my career."



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13952 times:

Ouch!

Yep that is WN's only incident. An overrun in Burbank. That must have been a wild ride. Total pilot error. Those are great pics!


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13857 times:

Talk about a bad day at work, wow. Was the aircraft written off? I would presume so from the apparent degree of damage to the engines and airframe.


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13758 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 8):
Was the aircraft written off?

Yes it was...


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13719 times:
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The captain knew that he needed gas so decided to visit the local petrol station at the end of the runway, but didn't park correctly at the petrol station so sadly the aircraft got damanged.

Sorry couldn't resist


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13702 times:

I believe the gas station is no longer there either.
I guess they figured having a gas station on the centerline just a few hundred feet off the end of the runway threshold was not a good idea.

BTW, the aircraft was not originally delivered to Southwest. I believe it flew for a number of carriers before WN, including Morris Air in SLC before that airlines acquisition by Southwest.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13653 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
BTW, the aircraft was not originally delivered to Southwest.

N668SW was a -3T5, with T5 being Orion Airways, the original customer...

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/boeing.asp


User currently offlineHirisk From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13577 times:

i'm sure the people of cali would love to see the gas prices on the sign in the background today duck 


happy contrails
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

The F/O was reinstated but later fired over another situation from my understanding. Anyone remember the incident with the Flt. attendant catching 2 WN pilots with a little less then full uniform on during a flight? Same F/O.....

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13332 times:

NIKV69...wrong again. You forgot the Nashville overrun.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7808 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13255 times:

There is a point of view that says that a good landing is one that you can walk away from.

After this earlier "problem" the FO must be a prat.


User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11570 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 6):
Captain's voice on the CVR as it became apparent that the aircraft would not stop in time: "There goes my career."

Is that for real or are you just kidding? Either way, it's pretty funny.

Do you know where to find CVR transcripts online?


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11301 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):
There is a point of view that says that a good landing is one that you can walk away from.

And a great landing is when you can re-use the aircraft!


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11234 times:

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 17):



Quoting Mav75 (Reply 17):
Is that for real or are you just kidding? Either way, it's pretty funny.

If its true it has to be a pretty sick feeling knowing the mistake you made just ended your career. But in that line of work the pilot should be happy that his mistake didn't end his life and that of everyone else on the jet.

But maybe he saw Chevron had a really good price on gas and was trying to save WN some money  Smile



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Yep that is WN's only incident.

I believe a similar accident occured at MDW, a WN 737 overran, crashed through a cement wall, and stopped halfway onto Cicero Ave...it was a while back, but I'm almost certain it was WN.


User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11008 times:

WN's only incident? Hardly. Though Southwest does have a fantastic safety record, they also ran a 737 (just) off the end of the runway in PHX in March 2001.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20010308X00561&key=1

Not mentioned in this narrative is that the airplane just missed a dump truck.



A little bit louder now, a lil bit louder now...
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 20):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Yep that is WN's only incident.
I believe a similar accident occured at MDW, a WN 737 overran, crashed through a cement wall, and stopped halfway onto Cicero Ave...it was a while back, but I'm almost certain it was WN.

Nope, it was an ATA 757.


WN has had 3 landing incidents, all in california.

BUR (over ran runway)
ONT (Landing gear would not come out)
SFO/SAN? I think- where a planeover ran a runway and went into the mud.
then again that could also be BNA

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10888 times:

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 21):
WN's only incident? Hardly. Though Southwest does have a fantastic safety record, they also ran a 737 (just) off the end of the runway in PHX in March 2001.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20010308X00561&key=1

Not mentioned in this narrative is that the airplane just missed a dump truck.

Thats ironic and the next day the BUR incident happened, two incidents in two dyas, YIKES! lol

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5330 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10817 times:

Link: http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying/down_with_a_crash.htm

Here's a summary from that link. They also have a nice photo with the aircraft next to the Chevron gas station sign. It's a little more than halfway down the page. In summary:

"As Southwest Flight 1455 descended toward Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena Airport on the evening of 5 March 2000, warnings began sounding, according to transcripts released Tuesday by the National Transportation Safety Board. Captain Howard Peterson, who was flying the jet, and co-pilot J D Erwin continued to descend.

6:10:47 pm Warning: "Whoop, whoop, pull up, whoop, whoop, pull up, whoop, whoop, pull up, whoop, whoop, pull up."
6:10:53 Peterson: "That's all right."
6:10:59 Jet touches down.
6:11:15 Erwin: "Need any help?"
6:11:18 Peterson: "(Expletive), Howard. You (expletive)." [cursing himself]
6:11:20 Sound of impacts.
6:11:28 Peterson: "My fault."
6:11:32 Peterson: "My fault."
6:11:37 Peterson (over PA): "And folks, remain seated, remain seated, we're all right."
6:11:42 Air traffic controller: "Response coming now."
6:11:46 Peterson: "Well, there goes my career."
6:11:58 Peterson: "You stupid (expletive)." [again cursing himself]
6:14:09 Peterson (to controllers): "Yeah, you better send the emergency equipment over, uh, uh, we went through the barrier."
6:14:15 Controller: "Affirmative, they should be over there already."

Source: USA Today 11 July 2001; photo credit Kevork Djansezian, Associated Press"


25 Post contains links BNANative : The BNA mishap was due to a bird being ingested in the port engine during takeoff. The plane was brought to a stop off the runway without injury. It w
26 Burnsie28 : So was he fired or "let go" or does he still remain at WN?
27 OPNLguy : I heard he was fired...and didn't get his job back on appeal...
28 Falcon flyer : Actually, not all of Southwest's landing incidents occurred in CA. The company had a -300 depart the runway in Amarillo on 5/24/03 while landing in a
29 Nyskymasters : I find it interesting that everybody keeps calling this BUR "landing" an incident. We need to call it what it was...an accident.
30 Pl4nekr4zy : I havn't heard about this one. Could you tell me a little more? Thanks.
31 OPNLguy : I think that occurs because some folks may not know that there are specific criteria for an accident/incident, and not knowing that, use "incident" a
32 OPNLguy : What happens in Vegas, -stays- in Vegas....
33 FlyHoss : Alex - Atrude777 No, the PHX incident was almost exactly a year later. The BUR accident was in March 2000, the PHX incident was March 2001. Minor poin
34 Sllevin : I saw the skidmarks a few days later....pretty impressive... Steve
35 RamerinianAir : I know a lot of WN pilots take steep approachs and finals when they are cleared for visual finals. I don't know if it is from their training or what b
36 Atrude777 : No, its a point that needs to be corrected and thank you for correcting me, I did not think the date looked right. Thanks for the new info, i admit i
37 RedFlyer : I didn't notice the gas prices on the sign...I was busy staring in amazement at the car right next to the plane. Can you imagine sitting in that thin
38 777ER : I bet everyone in the world wishes petrol prices were as low as they were in 2000
39 Post contains images GQfluffy : Time would literally stand still. Even if it happened a block in front of you. fluffy
40 Adipasqu : Maybe this is a stupid question, why would the pilot risk this kind of steep (7 degree approach) and high speed (181 kts ground speed at touchdown) la
41 Post contains images GQfluffy : LoL. You answered your own question. He could've done things WAY different, but, you know how some pilot's egos get in the way. (Thinking with his bal
42 Adipasqu : Thanks fluffy. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything obvious. Those WN pilots do like to come into BUR fairly hot I've noticed, more so
43 Silver1SWA : Please, lets not let this lead into hinting that WN pilots fly in an unsafe manner to save time, fuel etc. I know this might not be where you were he
44 N1120A : They cannot come in any hotter than the runway allows. WN pilots are very safe and actually do more of their own flying/stopping than other airline p
45 Post contains images Pl4nekr4zy : Please?
46 FoxDelta : Anyone know the about of the pilots, did they find new jobs? Cheers.
47 OPNLguy : Sorry!
48 CosmicCruiser : WHAT? "come in hotter than the rnwy allows??? Most airlines have a stabilized app. policy. Most airlines use 1000agl as the app. window and you must
49 Planespotting : A higher up training pilot at southwest told me he had to re-create that approach a few times for the lawyers (like more than 20 times). no matter how
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