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Does BOM Need To Expand/Move?  
User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Indian commerical aviation in the last several years has grown by leaps and bounds(10-20years late mindyou), and in the next 5 years will continue to grow at tremendous pace. More International players have entered the market or will be entering( AC,CO,VS,AA), AI and IC both expanding, and
the private airliners are going nuts with expansion fever.

BOM unarguably is the prime city of Indian Commercial aviation. The Airport
is unfortunately bursting at the seems( My opinion based on several visits in the last few years, no stastics on traffic and capacity). I can't see how BOM will be able to handle all this expansion. Several a.netters have also noted the lack of slots availability at prime times.

Several questions.
1. Is BOM in need of a major rehaul? ( New terminals, New Runways)
2. Is further development in current location possible.
3. If not, What are possibilties for new Airport.

I am of the opinion that they should do what Hong Kong and Kansai did, build in the sea. Like Hong Kong, Mumbai has little open space available.


Come on you gunners......!!!!!
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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

YES, YES, YES! That goes for DEL and ATQ as well!  yes 

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
Is BOM in need of a major rehaul? ( New terminals, New Runways)

Yes, and for once even the civil aviation minister thinks so. PP said that [very frustatingly] that even pakistan had better airports than both DEL and BOM
Work on terminal 1B used by the private carriers is already underway, from the projected looks of it atleast, it does seem impressive

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
Is further development in current location possible.

B747-437B and HAWK21M are in a better position to answer that

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
If not, What are possibilties for new Airport.

My friend George, who was travelling by road from BOM to Goa, told me that at some place "well it is neare Navasheva which is where the largest cargo ships that come to Mumbai dock around there"
After inquiring around the wherabouts i found out that it is some 20kms from Panvel---very far from the current one


User currently offlineCX750 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Karan69, do you have any pics of 1B's development? What is the expected completion date? Thanks.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting CX750 (Reply 3):
Karan69, do you have any pics of 1B's development?

Nope, as for the time being it even looks worse than before,

Quoting CX750 (Reply 3):
What is the expected completion date?

the Facelift should be completed in another 3-4 mths the entire thing would be completed by around june next year


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
1. Is BOM in need of a major rehaul? ( New terminals, New Runways)

They should demolish that airport and build it completely new.. Comparing BOM to FRA, SIN, BKK, LHE etc., it is really very sad to see how India's biggest airport is still far behind (the moral uf the staff there, the conditions of the toilets etc.!!).. once AI realizes the capacity of 6th freedom, this airport will burst.. So many things need to be refurbished so that i think it is a completely hopeless case. I hope privatization will do its job, as I do not see the AAI of building a first class airport (hub). This should have happened yesterday, but as usual things get stuck in the bureaucratic procedures.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2957 times:

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
I can't see how BOM will be able to handle all this expansion

Yup Too many years have passed doing Nothing.

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
Several questions.
1. Is BOM in need of a major rehaul? ( New terminals, New Runways)
2. Is further development in current location possible.
3. If not, What are possibilties for new Airport.

1.Yes,New Terminals,Parallel Runways,More Important Parking Bays.

2.Partially possible.Theres a lot of space on the South side of
Dumbell 32,Expansion work towards the East is in progress,but would take time.Currently things are moving very slow.

3.There was a plan to construct one North of Mumbai,but it would not work out.

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
am of the opinion that they should do what Hong Kong and Kansai did, build in the sea. Like Hong Kong, Mumbai has little open space available.

Thats Exactly the Discussion We had at Work the other day.Construct a Flyover & link to the Airport built over water.
The problem is Time Delays & slow work.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Is there a current, accurate, readable map of the layout of runways and taxiways at BOM available somewhere on the web ? (The Master Plan diagram posted in another thread doesn't meet the criteria). Thanks.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 7):
Is there a current, accurate, readable map of the layout of runways and taxiways at BOM available somewhere on the web ? (The Master Plan diagram posted in another thread doesn't meet the criteria). Thanks.

The Jepperrsen manual will have the latest & Accurate Diagrams.Maybe someone has a copy.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

I was hoping DGCA or AAI might have something. In the US, FAA has airport diagrams ( e.g.,IAD ) which are in the public domain. Unfortunately, Jeppesen products would not be public domain  Sad


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
.There was a plan to construct one North of Mumbai,but it would not work out.

As i said earlier, work is in progress and the banner at that place said "site for new airport"


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
As i said earlier, work is in progress and the banner at that place said "site for new airport"

Practically I dont think it would be used.Aka BLR.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 7):
Is there a current, accurate, readable map of the layout of runways and taxiways at BOM available somewhere on the web ?



[Edited 2005-04-22 14:04:25]

User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2713 times:

North of Mumbai....Where exactly? Still on the island or even further up? Perhaps Vasai?


Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

B747-437B: Thanks for the airport diagram which makes it quite clear about the lack of access to Rwy 32. Someone mentioned that normally only runway 27 is used. Purely by looking at the diagram, one would think it would be possible (at least with reasonable winds and visibility) to increase runway utilization by the simultaneous use of 32 for domestic arrivals while 27 is used for departures. The reverse pattern could use 14 for domestic departures, 09 for arrivals+heavy departures. But I am sure there are good reasons why this is not done.


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 14):
I am sure there are good reasons why this is not done.

This is India. Don't be sure of anything.  Smile


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

BOM in its current state is nothing short of a nat'l embarrassment. I've spoken to many westerners whose first impression of India is the filthy, polluted, dysfunctional terminal @ SantaCruz. Hopefully, the booming aviation sector in India and the model airport in Cochin gives us hope for a new more functional Mumbai. Also, on a somewhat related topic, must India continue to keep Int'l and domestic terminals segregated? The whole concept of a hub/spoke system would be much more efficient with integrated terminals.

User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 15):
Logic doesn't always work in India....



Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

sorry about previous misquote...still trying to figure

Adding to Sean's quote....Logic doesn't always work in India



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
My friend George, who was travelling by road from BOM to Goa, told me that at some place "well it is neare Navasheva which is where the largest cargo ships that come to Mumbai dock around there"
After inquiring around the wherabouts i found out that it is some 20kms from Panvel---very far from the current one

As Karan stated.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 14):
But I am sure there are good reasons why this is not done.

Rnwy 32 usage for Landing can only be done in day due "Trombay hill",its used 10% of the time & the rest 90% is Rnwy 14 speaking of 14-32.
Where as the normal 27 is used & at time 09.
Remember the problem of the Control tower constructed too near 14-32 still exists so unless 09-27 is Blocked,14-32 would not be used.
Back tracking from 32dumbell wastes a lot of time.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

They constructed a new ATCT so close to runway 14/32 that it affects operations on that runway ? Wow !  eyepopping  .


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
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BTW has someone read/seen Newsweek's very interesting report covering the city of Mumbai in this week's issue ??
The main report picture was shot from a place (a township) close to the airport. It told that it was common for people arriving in BOM to see the locals relieving themselves on the hills adjacent to the runway while their plane was queuing to line up/vacate the runway.

Well, the report itself was covering Mumbai's problems in general but focused on how the arrival at Mumbai Intl airport could be challenging for the newcomer.

FB.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

The text of the Newsweek story that the previous poster refers to may be read here.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 20):
They constructed a new ATCT so close to runway 14/32 that it affects operations on that runway ? Wow !

Thats happened at Chennai too  Smile
Too bad We cant lift it & move it 50 meters away.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting LH477 (Thread starter):
they should ... build in the sea

The airport diagram tells us that VABB is located at 19N, 73W , which is already in the sea, midway between Florida and Puerto Rico.



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25 Post contains links WestWing : ...between Florida and Puerto Rico... Or, to be more precise, just offshore Haiti. Does the ATCT proximity issue to runway 14/32 affect only arrivals,
26 Post contains images HAWK21M : Exactly. Arrivals are critical,A Pilot buddy once told me When He Initially seen the Tower besides the Runway on Approach He thought it was a Rain cl
27 HAWK21M : There is a lot of Space Around the South side Of the 32 runway.There is work in progress on the North side of Runway 32 though. Will take a long time
28 NYC777 : The airport as a whole and security is an abomination. When I arrived at BOM a couple of years back I was astonished to find my mother, who had come t
29 Mrniji : This might sound discriminating: sorry in advance.. but I get pissed when these AAI officials and laborers use the loos.. they leave them in a condit
30 B742 : BOM can't currently handle any VS A340-600's on a daily basis due to their length! So yes BOM needs a major expansion! Rob!
31 Post contains images HAWK21M : The Problem would be getting City side Access to the Terminal.....Get rid of the Votebank.Which Politician would do that Agreed,But also there are no
32 Snehnath : I really do not think that the airport needs to move. Sure, both the international and domestic terminals need to be torn down, and space needs to be
33 HAWK21M : I wonder if there are other Airports with Houses/Huts touching the Perimeter wall other than Mumbai. regds MEL
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