PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8 Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4165 times:
I guess I am trying to combine two threads into one question here. Bear with me...
While reading the thread about Busiest Domestic Air Routes, I noticed that here in the west, routes to PHX and LAS are dominated by two airlines - HP and WN. Not so unusual in and of itself, but it was recently reported that HP is posting a first quarter profit, and of course WN is doing its usual amazing job at staying solvent (to say the least).
Is there a reason both airlines are competing so successfully and mutually profitable on these routes? Is this simply a matter of the nature of a duopoly? Or do both airlines have extraordinarily good yet different business models? And if so, is this a model that could somehow be duplicated elsewhere in the U.S./world?
Thanks in advance!!
Pan Am:The World's Most Experienced Airline - P(oor) S(ailor's) A(irline): San Diego's Hometown Airline-Catch Our Smile!
RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1651 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4154 times:
Well WN has very low costs. HP actually had a small loss before special items were included, but they are also a LCC. B6 made money last quarter, they are an LCC... hmmm...I see a trend here. I don't have time to pull up FL's most recent report, but IIRC they are very close to profitability too.
Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4155 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter): Or do both airlines have extraordinarily good yet different business models?
HP's buisness plan isn't radically different than WN's. They are like most LCCs with minor tweaks on the book WN wrote, they are more alike than they are different.
Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter): Is there a reason both airlines are competing so successfully and mutually profitable on these routes? Is this simply a matter of the nature of a duopoly?
PHX and LAS (especially) have lots of traffic, and there are pleanty of markets that support multiple airlines. Chicago (UA, AA, WN) comes to mind, though only WN is making money. WN has twice the market share as HP in LAS, and WN only has 36% of the market.