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World Airways Purchases North American  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

According to pilots union, World Airways has purchased privately held North American Airlines.

No further details are available.

I'd venture to guess, however this purchase would provide World with passenger capacity to continue its AMC charters as World itself was looking to acquire B767s. (Nearly purchased 2 birds from EVA in 2004) With the acquisition it gains a ready made operation without the need to go thru lengthy training and certification process for ETOPS.


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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Any Link to a story about this, or is it rumor?

We would like a source, not just what the union says.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

Nothing publicly announced by the companies yet.

You can take a look over at the World yahoo finance bulletin board and also the flightinfo.com pilot board. Multiple postings advising of the same.

From my understanding unions were briefed on the matter this week.



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User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

I am surprised that they would think of taking on a whole company when 767's and 57's are so easy to obtain on the open market. I also would have thought they would have gone after someone like Gemini since they are trying hard to balance their pax business with cargo. Maybe next time around.

User currently offlineFxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

WHile its true there are plenty of 767's and757's laying aorudn the desert, the ETOPS requirements needed to operate the Trans Oceanic legs world would need them for would take a lot of investment and time. THis is a quicker way to get the airframes and ETOPS certification. Also, since World formed the holding company earlier this year, I would bet North American would be left as a seperate certificate and operation (and thus NAA will retain a lower operating cost and will not be covered by World's unions).

This has long been a rumor among employees at World was looking at NAA. We'll see if and when it is announced.



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User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

You make a good point with the ETOPS issue I hadn't thought of. Now I have to wonder whether World will keep the DC-10 in the fleet because 4 aircraft types would be a lot for a small airline.

User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3731 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Does this mean they will be ceasing their Hawaii flights? And what about tickets already purchased fro December?

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1368 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 6):
Does this mean they will be ceasing their Hawaii flights? And what about tickets already purchased fro December?

Nothing has been said yet. Until anything is possibly announced, don't worry about it.


User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Well let me post the first non-business related response...

I hope they keep the NAA color scheme! I first flew North American in 1993 on an MD-83 to PUJ (MDPC, Punta Cana). I've flown them twice since on their 738's and 757's. Great flag on the tail! Not to mention "America's Greatest Little Airline!"

-Andrew


User currently offlineVikingair From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Now this is interesting...

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Shoot I thought you were talking about the company for back in the 60's/70's, unless they have already been bought; if so who bought them?


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

World is due to have its earnings/investors conference call on May 5th at 4pm EDT.
Might be a good time to announce any deal with North American.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

I wonder what this is going to mean for Homeric Tours and their yearly series to ATH? Especially now that they want to try EWR-ATH in conj. with CO


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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

My friends at World say that the purchase of another carrier is to get rid of the Flight Attendants at WOA. It would reduce crew costs. Others at WOA say to run it as a seperate company under "World Holdings", and it would allow World to get into different markets from what they are doing right now.
The ETOPS deal is a big thing. ETOPS "out of the box" would be a boost for
World Airways.

Rumor also has it that 3 of their MD-11's will be converted to Freighters on their next check, as ILFC does not want to pay for the interior mods required.



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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

F1642,
Exactly what vendor is available to convert 3 MD-11's on such short notice?

Ed



Ed
User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4415 times:

Clipper002, I should have been clearer. Next C check. It's just a rumor.


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5366 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

It almost looks like one of the "factually challenged" posters from the WLDA message board has made it over here. It's allegedly a "rumor" that World is buying another airline to get rid of its flight attendants? Idiotic. World needs them. Also, the Teamsters wouldn't stand for it. Either Fl642 (who has a "fake" profile) is *starting* such a rumor with this post, or he's repeating stupid union rhetoric, which, of course, is one reason not to do this. Union carrier's holding company buys non-union carrier. Ugh. Open the spigot of problems.

The rumor as to the MD11s is so flawed in its basic premises as it reveals that whomever is feeding info to this guy has no clue what he's talking about.

--Bill


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4146 times:

Stranger things have happened. We'll have to wait and see, won't we.

Yes, the F/A's are talking about this, but so are folks at WO-HDQ.



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1368 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Its also being highly discussed on the Yahoo Finance board for WLDA...
We'll just have to wait and see, nothing else we can do.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 6):
Does this mean they will be ceasing their Hawaii flights? And what about tickets already purchased fro December?

World has scheduled experience and if NAA's operation is making money, there would be no reason to discontinue it. With NAA they get pilots who can already fly the 767 as well, since the 757 and 767 are on the same certificate



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User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

I know that World sees business for the 767 that can be profitable because they've been in the market for them for some time. But how would they use the 757? Are they making $ the way they are used now? Perhaps they could be stationed in Europe and used for intra-European/Middle East military trips?

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3823 times:

Omni and ATA both use 757's for Military flights. WOA currently offers only one type of aircraft. Their last pax DC-10 is used just for the Military now. World wants to diversify their revenue mix, bringing on 75's and 76's would do that instantly. WOA misses out on a lot of business because their MD-11's are just too big.


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Hmm, this actually sounds semi-wise from my point of view, and if our charters arent cancelled because of it, all the more better.


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User currently offlineFxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Its official.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050427/clw110.html?.v=3



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

World mentions the ability to gain access to smaller sized fleet of aircraft and North Americans ETOPS approvals were key to making the deal.

Thru the acquisition World managed to expand and diversify its revenue sources.

Good deal I say.



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25 FI642 : Seems this "fake" has been right so far.[Edited 2005-04-28 00:48:43]
26 Vikingair : Now I see where World might be getting more MD-11 freighters, convert some of their own pax MD-11's to cargo.
27 Clipper002 : I'll wait until tomorrow morning following an internal briefing before I post on this subject. From what I've seen so far this is a major coup for Wor
28 Clipper002 : Forgot to clarify one thing. World Air Holdings,Inc., not World Airways purchased North American. There is a huge difference in the two. Ed
29 AlexInWa : Looks like WO got the 767's and 757's it wanted after all. Just not the way most of us thought they would get them. A guess here, but I would say that
30 Post contains images CAL :
31 Flyer732 : World is not going to suddenly drop the MD11 in favor of the 767, each will continue to do what they do, and have been doing. World will fly the MD-1
32 INTENSS : As stated above, both companies will continue to operate as separate and distinct entities. -Rich
33 Laxintl : I think you will see World slowly shed its DC-10s. In regards to running seperate companies, yes that is the plan for now, however lots of back office
34 Flyer732 : As a side note to that, until a month or two ago, World was about to aquire another DC-10, but the deal fell through somewhere along the way. The one
35 WesternA318 : Where do they usually use the DC-10 on?
36 Clipper002 : The DC-10 operates AMC channel flights out of NGU. Ed
37 OzarkD9S : So will North American be the scheduled arm of WAH and World the charter/leasing arm?
38 Wjcandee : Management said the following about the scheduled service today. First, it has never been profitable, since its inception. Second, they would review i
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