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Satena: Goodbye To Casa And Hello 2 New EJR-145’s.  
User currently offlineWimpycol From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 484 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Hello

Satena Colombia will buy 2 Embraer ERJ 145’s in an attempt to modernise its fleet, was announced yesterday (April 20, 2005.) after the Casa C212 farewell ceremony with some canon salutes.
Satena sold to the Colombian Air Force ( FAC ), its two old ( and latest in current fleet) Casa C-212 planes. They have operated the Casa C-212 since 1984.
Back in 1997, Satena sold three of its Casa C-212 planes to U.S. firm Turbina Group Inc.

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It is expected that they will close the purchase of a third Embraer by mid-year 2005.
So... wow by the end of 2005 they will have 4 and maybe 5 EJR-145’s.

Greetings and saludos
Willem Alberto

[Edited 2005-04-22 00:12:23]


Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

These are great news. I have used satena a few times and they are really improving lately. This is very good for the government commercial airline.

Any ideas if they are planning to increase the routes within Colombia?



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User currently offlineWimpycol From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 484 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Here a nice old photo! Enjoy!


Willem Alberto



Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Daag Willem!

Thanks for the update! That is excellent news! I'm really glad Satena seems to be doing so good, despite many other Colombian airlines being sold to foreing investors, although I believe part of their sucess is because they serve very small and remote markets.

Which cities did they send the C-212 to?

Stefano


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

They have used the C-212s for small routes to the towns on the Amazonía and the Orinoquía (The Amazon and the plains on the west of the country near the Orinoco river on the border with Venezuela)..

I understand that there are some Satena's C-212 to transport troops, but I don't think they are the same ones for commercial use, right?



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting Komododx (Reply 3):
Although I believe part of their success is because they serve very small and remote markets.

Actually it's the other way around Stefano.

It has been known that Satena's services to far away territories are not profitable, despite heavy subsidies comming from local governments in most cases. Nowadays the airline still flies to many of these destinations in very low-frequency and in multi-stop routings, and it shall remain that way unless the company changes drastically its corporate values as a whole.

To compensate, Satena now holds a strong position in many domestic trunk-routes/regional routes which have registered enough revenue for the company in order to create an economical balance; thus being worth the upgrade to ERJ. Most obvious case being the famous BOG-EOH route, market in which Satena holds a monopoly, charges outrageous fares that are easily paid by travellers and sees enough loads to guarrantee, in some days, up to 5 ERJ-145 flights.



Quoting Komododx (Reply 3):
Which cities did they send the C-212 to?



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 4):
They have used the C-212s for small routes to the towns on the Amazonía and the Orinoquía (The Amazon and the plains on the west of the country near the Orinoco river on the border with Venezuela)..

The planes were also extremely frequent on Satena's routes from their EOH turf to the Chocó department. Also, Satena operated the CASAs for many years on the island hopper San Andrés-Providencia during the 90s decade, along with Helicol on their Twins.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 5):
It has been known that Satena's services to far away territories are not profitable, despite heavy subsidies comming from local governments in most cases.

I think it is bad that all Casa´s no are gone from the fleet.
I think Satena was a synonym for the routes in away territories, and Satena was founded for theses services and not for routes EOH-BOG. The case is that Satena will bring more competition in the main routes and the far away territories will lose the last airway to the capitals of the country. It this what an airline of this should do? I say no!

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
I think it is bad that all Casa´s no are gone from the fleet.
I think Satena was a synonym for the routes in away territories, and Satena was founded for theses services and not for routes EOH-BOG. The case is that Satena will bring more competition in the main routes and the far away territories will lose the last airway to the capitals of the country. It this what an airline of this should do? I say no!

I don't think Satena will change its corporate values to become a fully commercial airline. Its purpose has been and has to be to serve the towns and cities not serviced by the commercial airlines. Without this motto, there is no Satena.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 7):
I don't think Satena will change its corporate values to become a fully commercial airline. Its purpose has been and has to be to serve the towns and cities not serviced by the commercial airlines. Without this motto, there is no Satena.

With this step they will change automatically there corporate values, for example EOH-BOG is a route that should not be served by Satena, only to mention one route of the network. MDE and BOG has a tons of flights daily. There are enough citys in Colombia that could not served without airplanes like Casa, TwinOtters etc etc.
The ERJ are perfect for routes like EOH-BOG but really not for jungle hoppers.

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 5):
Actually it's the other way around Stefano.

It has been known that Satena's services to far away territories are not profitable, despite heavy subsidies comming from local governments in most cases. Nowadays the airline still flies to many of these destinations in very low-frequency and in multi-stop routings, and it shall remain that way unless the company changes drastically its corporate values as a whole.

To compensate, Satena now holds a strong position in many domestic trunk-routes/regional routes which have registered enough revenue for the company in order to create an economical balance; thus being worth the upgrade to ERJ. Most obvious case being the famous BOG-EOH route, market in which Satena holds a monopoly, charges outrageous fares that are easily paid by travellers and sees enough loads to guarrantee, in some days, up to 5 ERJ-145 flights.

Wow! I thought it was the other way round! Thanks for clearing that up.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 5):
The planes were also extremely frequent on Satena's routes from their EOH turf to the Chocó department. Also, Satena operated the CASAs for many years on the island hopper San Andrés-Providencia during the 90s decade, along with Helicol on their Twins.

I imagine Quibdo and Bahia Solano? Didn't Aires also serve Bahia Solano?

How is Satena, anyway? I never had the pleasure of flying them

Stefano


User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
With this step they will change automatically there corporate values, for example EOH-BOG is a route that should not be served by Satena, only to mention one route of the network. MDE and BOG has a tons of flights daily. There are enough citys in Colombia that could not served without airplanes like Casa, TwinOtters etc etc.
The ERJ are perfect for routes like EOH-BOG but really not for jungle hoppers.

Satena doesn't need to change its corporate values, as it has been established their corporate mission is to "Contribuir al desarrollo e integración de las regiones del país, mediante el servicio de transporte aéreo con calidad, efectividad y seguridad." That certainly does not exclude the possibility to serve airports like EOH from BOG.

There is something that has not been said here, it is that when Satena was created it was an "Establecimiento Público" which according with Colombian Law means that its purpose was to accomplish some of the State Objectives established by the Constitution and other Laws, so it didn't matter if the airline was profitable or not, the airline didn't have its own funds or resources nor administrative autonomy .

With the reforms of the administrative structure of the country in 1968 and 1998, Satena became a "State Owned Commercial Company" which means that it has to be profitable, has its own resources and its own autonomy, although its CEO is nominated by the President. From that point of view Satena is a commercial airline like any other in Colombia.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

Quoting Komododx (Reply 9):
I imagine Quibdo and Bahia Solano?

Yes. Until very recently they also flew the CASAs to Bahía Nuquí and Condoto. Bahía Nuquí is still served by Satena several times a week on Do-328 from EOH. Condoto was dropped by both Satena and ACES, and is now operated by ADA.

Flights to Chocó department from Medellín [EOH]:

Medellín-Quibdó: Satena 3x daily nonstop flights. Aires 3x daily nonstop flights. ADA 1x daily nonstop flight. Multiple charters on smaller companies.

Medellín-Bahía Solano: Satena 1x daily nonstop flight. ADA 2x weekly nonstop flights.

Medellín-Bahía Nuquí: Satena 3-4x daily nonstop flights. ADA 2x weekly nonstop flights.

Medellín-Condoto: ADA 1x daily flight.

Satena and ADA also offer hoppers from Quibdó to smaller intra-Chocó towns as continuing services from other flights.

Quoting Komododx (Reply 9):
Didn't Aires also serve Bahia Solano?

No. Aires, until 2003, hardly had 2 daily operations in and out of EOH; the only destination they served until then was Ibagué, with the flight continuing to Neiva and Florencia.

Once ACES [dominant carrier in EOH for many years] went out of business, Aires inmediately came with an aggressive move and put their own flights on most of the ex-ACES routes. But Bahía Solano was not replaced by Aires.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Anyway i suppos that they will replace the C-212 routes with the Do328 cause there are a lot of airports that surely won't be receiving the ERJ-145.

I'll Just wait and see

Gus
SKBO



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
There are enough citys in Colombia that could not served without airplanes like Casa, TwinOtters etc etc.
The ERJ are perfect for routes like EOH-BOG but really not for jungle hoppers.

Good point.. now it doesn't seem to have an appropriate A/C for small runways on small towns..



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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 13):
Good point.. now it doesn't seem to have an appropriate A/C for small runways on small towns..

Don't forget they're getting Some LEt 410 with Searca those can do the routes without problem but alsot the Do328 can suit the routes very well.

Gus
SKBO



Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Can the Do328 land on the Amazon /Orinoquia runways (Besides Leticia) ?


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User currently offlineJUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 15):
Can the Do328 land on the Amazon /Orinoquia runways (Besides Leticia) ?

They've used the ERJ-145 to towns like Puerto Carreño and Puerto Inirida, I don't think there will be any problem for the D328.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 15):
Can the Do328 land on the Amazon /Orinoquia runways (Besides Leticia) ?

Yes, and the Let410 Does that work very well too.

Gus
SKBO



Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting JUANR (Reply 16):
They've used the ERJ-145 to towns like Puerto Carreño and Puerto Inirida

In fact, I believe they currently use them.

Anyway, the Do-328 has quite a good take-off performance and can land in short runways given its powerful reverse thrust; it operates daily to Bahia Solano, and that is saying a lot. The airport was formerly known as Salsipuedes, that kind of gives you an idea.





SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Well thanks for the info...

Now, talking about Satena, it was Satena the one in charge of buying the presidential plane right? Shouldn't that plane had come on December 2004? Any updates about our air force one?

I opened a forum on military aviation a few weeks ago, but I couldn't get an answer...



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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 19):
Now, talking about Satena, it was Satena the one in charge of buying the presidential plane right? Shouldn't that plane had come on December 2004? Any updates about our air force one?

AFAIK Satena don't have any business with the new "Colombian Air Force One"
and the plane was sheduled to come on May/05 please correct me on this.

Gus
SKBO



Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting Tavong (Reply 20):
the plane was sheduled to come on May/05 please correct me on this.

The official delivery date that was last publicly stated was June of the present year.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 21):
The official delivery date that was last publicly stated was June of the present year.



Quoting Tavong (Reply 20):
AFAIK Satena don't have any business with the new "Colombian Air Force One"
and the plane was sheduled to come on May/05 please correct me on this.

Well, thank you guys, I finally have an approximate date. Now, last time I checked, the resources (40 million) from the CONPES were given to Satena.. to be in charge of the purchase, am I wrong?

(*CONPES-> National Council for Social and Economic Planning, was the bureau in charge of providing the funds for the presidential plane)



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

I found this info regarding the presidential plane:

http://alpha.mindefensa.gov.co/desca...ogia_compra_avion_presidencial.pdf

(Sorry, is in Spanish).. and it says that in Jan 2004, Satena was authorized to start the procedures for the purchase (Agreements, contracts, etc)..



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User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 3393 times:
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The latest news on Colombian Government Boeing 737-74V/W that will be Colombian Air Force One is that it will be delivered in mid June 2005, the flight crew of eight pilots will travel to Seatle Washington on May 8 to receive their ground school and simulator training and check rides from Boeing Alteon; this will take approximately 35 days.

Enclosed here you will find some of the limitations and
aircraft data for this airplane.

Type:

Boeing 737-74V/W
c/n 29272
l/n 323
Manufacture date: June 30, 1999
Test registry: N1786B
Previous Registries: N737SP, N7378P
Delivered to: Superior International Aviation Services on August 12, 1999

Limitations:

Max Taxi weight 171,500 lbs 77,791 kgs
Max Take-Off Weight 171,000 lbs 77,564 kgs
Max Landing Weight 134,000 lbs 60,781 kgs
Max Zero Fuel Weight 126,000 lbs 57,152 kgs

Engine Type:

CFM International CFM 56-7B27/B3
Static Thrust 27,300 lbs 12,391 kgf


Fuel Capacity:

Main tanks
Left, Center, Right
6,875 U.S. Gallons 46,063 lbs 20,896 kgs

Auxiliary tanks:
4 Aft - 2 Fwd Configuration
3,043 U.S. Gallons 20,388 lbs 9,249 kgs

Total Fuel Capacity:
9,918 U.S. Gallons 66,451 lbs 30,145 kgs


Best regards:
AV757


25 RICARIZA : That's what I call a complete report. Thanks AV757
26 Tavong : As always an impresive inform, thanks AV757 Gus SKBO
27 RICARIZA : What about the configuration in terms of security? I mean, what does it have that other 737-74V/W doesn't that it is considered "presidential"?
28 RICARIZA : I heard that It will have some kind of radar and defense system, but I am not sure if the 40 million are enough to cover that kind of thing..
29 AV757 : Yes the airplane has had countermeasures for terrorist attacks and other safety and security devices installed, the information on these items is clas
30 SoAmSky : Hence the delivery has been delayed for so long. By the way, are there more photos of it around. Last year there were some pictures of the aircraft i
31 AV757 : So far no paint job pictures until all equipment and internal services are installed, supposedly going to be paint shop in late MAY. AV757
32 Post contains links and images RICARIZA : I suppose it will have the same livery as all FAC planes, white with the blue line and the flag on the tail... View Large View MediumPhoto © Bald
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