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AA And The F-100  
User currently offlineUtilianPilot07 From Honduras, joined Jun 2004, 96 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Hello,

I was thinking about American Airlines and their fleet and just remembered about the F-100 (My home airport is MIA so it is not really known here) so I was wondering If any of you have flown on the F-100 for American and if so How was it?
Also do any of you know the reason for retiring the aircraft from the fleet?
and one last question what was the reason for no F-100's in MIA?

Thanks


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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

The F100 was originally purchased to fly to close in cities (around 1000 miles) to the DFW and ORD hubs. They typically flew to cities to small to support S80 and 727 (remember the 100's were originally ordered in 1989). And to support non peak times,
I really dont know why AA never flew them to MIA.

I flew on them several times. I was never that crazy about the airplane. Every time I was inside one it felt kind of like a bus. However, the F100 with 56 first class seats that flew DALLAX was awesome and so was the food.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

This should answer your question:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/2038822/4/
See Reply #9.
This was discussed earlier this month.
Also....
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1785576/4/
9 replies.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1622517
45 replies.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1634539/
15 replies.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1536014/
19 replies.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1391780/
10 replies.

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4214 times:
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I used to fly on F-100's between ICT and DFW quite a bit. I always liked the oval windows. The F-100's weren't any more or less comfortable than the MD-80's. However, I did get the chance to fly on one F-100's that had the oversized bins in the cabin...with the new coach seats. That was pretty comfy. I actually kind of miss the F-100's.

User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4056 times:

I was on one from DAY-DFW a couple years ago. It beat the hell out of getting crammed inside an Eagle CRJ.

It was quiet and fast.. I liked it.


I still liked TWAs 717s better though.


User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4043 times:

Forever will be gone the following after they phase out the F100:

"N555PU you are #2 following the Fokker on final"
"Roger that tower, I have that Fokker in site!"


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5181 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4023 times:

The Fokkers were bought with the idea of flying medium routes at off-peak times or shorter routes with fairly fast turns, so that they could run a shuttle-style operation.

For whatever reason, they didn't work that well on short routes, like DFW-AUS or ORD-IND. So they stayed on medium routes like ORD-ATL and even some longer routes like ORD-SAT.

They were assigned to three hubs, ORD, DFW, and BNA. AA took delivery of 75, but it never exercized the option for an additional 75.

I don't know why they never flew to MIA. My guess is that based on the route structure of the MIA hub, and the number of departures to spoke cities, management felt that it didn't need a 100-seat jet in MIA.


User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4005 times:

A little off of topic, but I flew on an F28 from Boise to SEA (Horizon Air). I thought we were never getting off of the ground. We pretty much used all the runway. Same thing happened on a similar flight between Seattle and Spokane. I guess those F28 were not the greatest performers!


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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3924 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 1):
I really dont know why AA never flew them to MIA.

The F100's a/c pacs couldn't handle extreme temps. That is why they installed a supplemental pac in the cargo hold and reduced the size of the hold.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5731 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Yep, hot little buggers, especially here in DFW.

That's why the flight attendants called them "Dutch ovens"!


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3741 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3848 times:
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Yes I remember the Fokker 100 very well. I flew on quite a few of those during the 90's when American was still operating them in large numbers, I believe they had as many as 75 of them at one time. It was a nice aircraft to fly on, however my only unpleasant experience with the Fokker aircraft was sitting at a window seat on the last row in coach just in front of the engines. At take off, when full power was applied, the noise inside the pax cabin would get very loud and I couldn't wait till the aircraft settled in cruise.
Pilots like them a lot but mechanics used to say that it was a nightmare to maintain. One of them was damaged beyond economical repair upon landing in DFW, that was a while before American took the decision to phase out the Fokkers. The problem with the Fokker was the availability of spare parts.
I think the reason the Fokkers weren't seen in MIA is because American always needed aircrafts with a larger pax and cargo capacity out of that hub, American ordered the Fokkers to fly them on short haul flights to small cities out of the ORD hub. They were seen also in DFW, DAL (Love Field) and MDW, that's true, but most F100 crews were based in ORD which is where the final flight arrived. The last Fokker 100 left the fleet six months ago.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7456 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Yep,we got them in ROC from ORD right until A^A left town and stuck us with boring Eagle E145's ....


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User currently offlineA999 From Norway, joined Mar 2004, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Flybynight...

Also off-topic, I had a very different experience with a Braathens F-28 many years ago on a sunday morning flight from Stavanger to Oslo/Fornebu. With a rather light load it felt like the pilot applied afterburners on takeoff! That was really amazing!!!!!


User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Can anyone remember if AA got rid of there F100's before or after Fokker filed for bankruptcy or insolvency or whatever it is called in the Netherlands?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 13):
Can anyone remember if AA got rid of there F100's before or after Fokker filed for bankruptcy or insolvency or whatever it is called in the Netherlands?

Way after



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

I'm thinking it happened after, since the lst one left the fleet not so long ago.


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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5181 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3355 times:

I think Fokker filed for bankruptcy in the mid or late 90s. I seem to remember that Daimler-Benz took an ownership position in Fokker, but Fokker still couldn't improve its finances, so D-B let Fokker go under.

AA started phasing out the Fokkers, if I recall correctly, in late '02 or early '03.

American 767:

You're right about pilots loving the plane and mechanics hating it. A friend of mine is a 757/767 pilot at ORD. The mechanics felt that the F100 was more of an overgrown business jet than a mainline commercial aircraft, which made working on the plane a real headache.

I also heard that some F/As avoided the plane, because it had no rear exit. The 727-100 had the rear stairs. the -200 had the stairs and rear doors on either side of the cabin. The MD-80 has rear stairs and a port-side galley door.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3269 times:

Flew on the AA F100 from ORD to DTW back in March of 2003.

I actually liked that plane. Takeoff was reaaaaaally smooth and powerful.



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User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Assuming AA survives the current fiscal crisis, don't worry they once flew BAC-111, ditched them, then 20 years later bought a same sized plane, F100, to do the same routes, then tossed them, the cycle will repeat itself.

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