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Fate Of SAA 747-300 "Ndizani"  
User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

Hi to all A.netters from a very new member!

A trip to Johannesburg International this morning to drop my mom off for a flight to Cape Town also gave me the perfect opportunity to start my first thread.

From the domestic departure viewing deck I could see Ndizani (the SAA 747-300 painted in that awful Cape Town Olympic bid promotional colour scheme) parked in an open field just across from runway 03L/21R, along with a DC8, 727 and a few other aircraft.

We all know that SAA has withdrawn their classic 747's from service quite a while ago, so does anyone know if this aircraft is waiting for a buyer or if it is perhaps waiting to be broken up for parts? Maybe someone with some inside information knows? Andz...?

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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
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Euclid I saw Ndizani standing in the area between the runways when I left for CPT on Tuesday afternoon, I have to disagree with you on the "awful" colour scheme, I think that is one of the most amazing looking aircraft on the planet! Last time I asked my wife about is she said that SAA are looking for a buyer, but why she has been moved out into the middle of nowhere after standing behind Hangar 8 for months is unknown to me.

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User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

Thanks for the reply and the welcome, Andz!

I know most people like the colour scheme on that plane, but it just doesn't do it for me. I've always liked plain colours more.

Regards


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

I take it all SA's 743's have been withdrawn now - what happened to the others ?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

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User currently offlineBluepoole From South Africa, joined Jan 2005, 51 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Euclid - welcome from my side as well.

I would also like to know, out of interest, what happened to the 743's...

I know that one of them is now with Angola Airlines. Also, either ZS-SKA or ZS-SKB (or perhaps both) are now in one of those airplane graveyards in the Californian desert.

Anybody knows about the rest?



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User currently offlineBlooBirdie From Lesotho, joined Sep 2003, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

...and the last photograph of her is here:

http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00338084


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5473 times:
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That pic is taken exactly where she is standing right now at JNB.


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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

When I went to South Africa back in December, when I got off of an SA flight from CPT, I managed to find Ndizani right across the way from domestic arrivals, needless to say, I took tons of pics. Had SA not bumped me to business class for that flight, I would have missed it.


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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

I have been through about 4 times in the last month, and that a/c is not exactly in a field. It is parked on a remote taxiway between the 2 runways. They even parked an LH 744 over there one of the days I was there on it's day stop. I guess they moved it over there so that it frees up parking space near to the hangers and also the a/c is much more visible to the public out there too who I'm sure enjoy seeing it.

There were also some SA classics parked over at Denel Aviation at the far side of the airport too, that I saw when we landed on the runway at that side.

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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5426 times:
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Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 9):
There were also some SA classics parked over at Denel Aviation at the far side of the airport too, that I saw when we landed on the runway at that side.

Those 2 SPs have been standing there for months but no one at SAA can tell me what their fate might be.



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User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

That colourscheme is one of the best ever on a 747. I love it!

The 2 747SP's parked are:

ZS-SPC - history: http://www.747sp.com/History.asp?21134

ZS-SPE - history: http://www.747sp.com/History.asp?21254

If anyone spots any sort of movement on these 2 747SP's I'd be happy if you could let me know!

/Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

I also think this is one of the best special schemes. I hope we´ll see "Ndizani" flying again for some other carrier. The aircraft is 22 years old so there should be a chance.
When I saw her last (this February) it was parked behind the SAA hangars, so I couldn´t take a picture.


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

AAAAH my beloved Ndizani-

great Thread, welcome Euclid!

I had my first (and to date only) 747 Jumpseat ride CPT-JNB on ZS-SAJ back in 2001.... she is not ready for the torch yet!

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

What a BEAUTIFUL airplane!!!! I LOVE the colors! Definitely an eye-catcher. And very pleasing to the eye. Too bad it will revert to some stale livery once its new owners take over.


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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

Perhaps I am getting the aircraft confused with another, but didnt
"Ndizani" suffer a severe tail strike that resulted in her with drawal from
service? I thought I read something about it being uneconomical to repair
the aircraft.



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User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Garudarod

She did suffer a tailstrike a while ago, but it was very minor. There was a picture of the damaged tail in one of the local newspapers at the time, and it did little more than just scrape off some paint. The flight crew were not even aware of the fact and had to be informed by ATC of the strike. I read the report of the accident investigation on the CAA's (Civil Aviation Authority) website. Will see if I can find it again a bit later, too lazy now. It boils down to wrong weight figures being mistakenly used in the calculations for the take-off speeds, and then rotating at too low an airspeed. My girlfriend's boss is the wife of a SAA pilot, and he told me that the crew involved was flying again not too long after the incident, presumably after an internal SAA investigation. Apparently a contributing factor was the fact that the flight engineer was having marriage problems at the time and as such had a lot of things on his mind, causing him to mistakenly use the wrong figures. Of course that is not mentioned in the CAA report. There are, as always in any incident or accident, a lot of other contributing factors as well.

Just found the report. If you want to see it for yourself, go to www.caa.co.za , click on Accidents and Incidents, select 2003, and scroll down to 11 March. The report will open in Acrobat Reader.

Regards


User currently offlineRichardBHX From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

He's about to be bought by me to convert into a house *wakes up*
However, I really hope a new owner keeps him flying in those colours. I think they are absolutely stunning.



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Euclid,

Thank you very much for the detailed response and the link.
Its always nice to get the "inside" details.
Just as an FYI for me, how long after the tailstrike was it before she was permanently removed from service?



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User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Garudarod

I have absolutely no idea. I will try and find out for you, but maybe Andz will be able to answer that question for us.


User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Do you guys seriously believe that if Ndizani gets picked up by another carrier
...it will keep the color scheme?
...it will not be converted into a freighter?

I highly doubt it.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4413 times:
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Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 18):
how long after the tailstrike was it before she was permanently removed from service?

I'll see what I can find out!

I agree Clipper, for one I don't see SAA allowing anyone else to fly that scheme!



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

I shall never frget, my first visit to LHR and that beauty's wing was over our taxi Smile

Sam biggrin 



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4307 times:
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Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 18):
how long after the tailstrike was it before she was permanently removed from service?

How's this for a coincidence....Ndizani's last flight was exactly a year ago today, 26 April 2004, she came in from Sao Paolo to JNB and was withdrawn from service....so just over a year after the tail strike incident.

I landed at JNB from BFN this evening and she is standing in the midfield at JNB with a motley collection of 727s, a 732 and what looks like a DC-8.... sad sad sight.



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