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New Montreal-Tunis Service By Nouvelair  
User currently offlineAir Malta From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Nouvelair from Tunisia will start a new Tunis-Montreal-Tunis late October. According to this article http://www3.webzinemaker.net/tourmag/index.php?action=article&id_article=143712 (french only), the service zould be operated with an A320 with a technical stop in Keflavik. Very interesting news!!!


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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

KEF sounds a bit out of the way for a tech stop. Wouldn't PDL be more logical. Then again, YUL-PDL might not be possible for ETOPS reasons.


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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Is it official ? The flight originates from Tunis or Monastir ?

Great news anyway even if the flight will originate from Gafsa  Wink


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Quoting Ts-ior (Reply 2):
The flight originates from Tunis or Monastir ?

The flight would probably originat from Tunis. It would mak more sense.



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User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Does this cie have plans to acquire widebodies in a near future?


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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1633 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Wow... Montreal-Africa on an A320...  boggled  .....

User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3343 times:

The A321 would be more appropriate for these flights. Its range is within both TUN-KEF and KEF-YUL legs, and then it would more suitable for an eventual C/Y configuration !!! The airline has just acquired two ex-Sabena ones.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3309 times:

Well thy did not mention anything about a Business Class. And then, will BJ sell those tickets through normal travel agencies??? Their scheduled charter flights out of MIR are only available at limited travel shops.

TS-IOR, I am in Tunis now till Sunday, so if you want we can meet...



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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

AIR MALTA,

I thank you but, unfortunately, i'm on duty on Saturday and even on Sunday morning !!! You should have told me that earlier  Wink

I guess BJ will sell tickets through normal agencies, but not necessarily through a booking-system. Many agencies, especially in Sousse, Monastir,... started selling BJ tickets in addition to a reservation phone number. The airline is improving, they are constantly changing their livery, for the pleasure of spotters and enthusiasts  Wink and they are adding destinations; What's best ?!

The service will be of a great success and Lybian and Algerians will choose it as well. I wonder how are TU administrators now ?! Indifferent as usual  Wink


User currently offlineYazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Africa-North America in an A320 ? will that be the first time it happens ?

Quoting Ts-ior (Reply 8):
The service will be of a great success and Lybian and Algerians will choose it as well. I wonder how are TU administrators now ?! Indifferent as usual

Im not really with you there. dont you think that people would rather go for a More reputable company for transatlantic flight say Royal Air Maroc, Air France or Lufthansa? I mean, I personally would rather fly a 767 or 777 rather than be cramped up in a tiny 320 for a company that is almost unheard of.



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User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting Yazoo (Reply 9):
Im not really with you there. dont you think that people would rather go for a More reputable company for transatlantic flight say Royal Air Maroc, Air France or Lufthansa? I mean, I personally would rather fly a 767 or 777 rather than be cramped up in a tiny 320 for a company that is almost unheard of.

I totally agree. Furthermore, this service won't be popular among premium passengers (if they exist between YUL and TUN), who will prefer to connect with Air France, BA or other carriers. I doubt this service will last long in its current format.



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1633 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

I agree too in fact I made the same point in the second thread on this topic. Montrealers and Tuniseans are used to wide body nonstops on long haul flights especially across the Atlantic. This isn't to say an A320 would not work but in YUL's case perhaps an A320 to Bordeaux, Nantes or Dublin... a destination close to the western European coast... but to have to stop in Iceland then on to Africa is unheard of in today's world. Throw in an unknown airline and I don't think you will get many Canadians willing to do this unless the price is just absolutley amazing. Then again Nouvelair would be catering to the discount crowd and the cost of a stop might make it hard to break even. Royal Air Maroc, AIr France and KLM can get them there in better comfort and a quick connection in Casablanca, Paris or Amsterdam. I wish them luck.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

According to an Interview with BJ's chairman, the flights will start now, beginning 2006 and the routing will be : Monastir-Kaflavik-Montreal...
The flights are aimed for Canadian tourists wishing to visit Tunisia!!!



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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

MIR will be the first intercontinental airport in Tunisia. This airport continues to grow as it deserves !!! It should be privatized no ?

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Quoting Ts-ior (Reply 13):
MIR will be the first intercontinental airport in Tunisia. This airport continues to grow as it deserves !!! It should be privatized no ?

Well, it seems now that the flights will originate in Tunis which is more logical to my mind. Look at Nouvelair website : http://www.nouvelair.com/Publish/viewnews_News.asp?IDArticle=82.



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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Ts-ior (Reply 13):
MIR will be the first intercontinental airport in Tunisia. This airport continues to grow as it deserves !!! It should be privatized no ?

MIR already has connections with a lot of European cities (granted, most, if not all, are charter flights), so in that sense it's already an intercontinental airport.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 15):
MIR already has connections with a lot of European cities (granted, most, if not all, are charter flights), so in that sense it's already an intercontinental airport.

Tunis has even more international destinations to airport such as : Dubai, Doha, Abidjan, Bamako, Jeddah, Amman, Beirut, Damascus, Dakar... So Tunis is the intercontinental gateway to Tunis. Tunisian authorities should focus on one point and make it a mini hub between Europe and North America to destinations in Africa where there is a huge potential!



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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Isn't the A321 better for this flight ? I know that its range is shorter than that of an A320 but, anyway, it "assumes" both legs; TUN-KEF and KEF-YUL !!! And then proposing 200Y is more flexible than 170Y !!!

Last year, i made a survey among several regular travellers to and from Tunisia and the result was that they are "thirsty" to fly YUL-TUN without any stop in Europe or Casablanca, and especially CDG !!! At that time i suggested an A319LR please  Wink


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

TU could buy a 763 and start a direct service to YUL and JNB. The 763 could also operate the DXB and ORY routes but at TU nobody seems to be thinking. Ah, If I were TUs chairman a lot of things would have happened.


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User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

One was expecting low price to ensure the success of the route.


I doubt the price will be low, A320 means only 150 passengers and therefore 150 times the price of the ticket.

However, the expenses will be high for such a flight for only 150 passengers.

An intercontinental flight can only be amortized with a high number of passengers, therefore flying a widebody.

I would not travel from TUN or MIR to YUL in a A320. When, I have seen the thread name I was thinking "this means a regular widebody to TUN"... But i was disapointed that this would be done in a narrow body.

There is a huge potential between North america and Maghreb... but are passengers ready to fly a narrowbody with a stop?!
Tunisians expect have expectations on this flight and a just blend charter style service flight will not staisfy them.


I higly doubt. Also, I am sure that AF will lower its price on TUN - YUL via CDG just to keep the market.

I think this is a good initiative and an excellent point for Tunisia, however, I doubt it will provide the expected service.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

@Air Malta

...like buying another aircraft type with no commonality to all other TU fleet members?

Maybe it is just wise to stay away from prestigious, but uneconomcial longhaul routes and concentrate on what TU can do best and where they are making money instead of sinking money in low-yield VFR and tourist traffic to North America.

[Edited 2005-05-12 13:19:47]


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 20):
Maybe it is just wise to stay away from prestigious, but uneconomcial longhaul routes and concentrate on what TU can do best and where they are making money instead of sinking money in low-yield VFR and tourist traffic to North America.

Hmm, well Tu should have made something from its position between Europe and Africa. You have to take some risks if you want to succeed. Look now at Royal Air Maroc and Afriquyah. They have successfully built mini hubs to cater passengers from Europe/North America to Africa and everybody knows that Africa is a very lucrative market and an airline can easily beat the like of AF, LH or BA on routes to Africa comparinge the prices. A service to Montreal would be viable especially in Summer with the large Tunisian community there. Nonstop flights are also very viable because to go to DXB with a stop in BEY and without IFE is flying in the stone age. If EK decides to enter the market, TU days on the route would be counted. TU seems to have no strategy at all at the moment, so...



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

I'd think that you have to build up a critical mass (i.e. a maximum number of possible connections within a hub bank) in order to make such a concept work. Flying a few days a week to North America and also a few times each week to some African destinations will be hard to market to the business traveller for connecting flights, especially if long transfer times will be involved.

Maybe such a concept as a "Gateway to Africa" could work for airports, which are served at least daily in Europa, although I have my doubts that there are many in TU's network, except maybe for Paris, London and Frankfurt.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 22):
Maybe such a concept as a "Gateway to Africa" could work for airports, which are served at least daily in Europa, although I have my doubts that there are many in TU's network, except maybe for Paris, London and Frankfurt

TU serves ORY, ROM, ALG, NCE and LYS daily with FRA 5 times and LHR and BRU 4 timens. If you have a mini hub you don't need to serve cities like Bamako, Ouagadougou, Lomé, Lagos, Abidjan, Nouakchott, Khartoum daily. You make a good timings like Royal Air Maroc does. Flights arriving from Europe arrive at around 22:00 flights to Africa depart at 23:00 and return at 06:00-08:00 then flights to Europe depart at 08:30. You need 3 flights weekly to the African destinations and some more to Europe which will be a mix of point to point and transfer passengers. This concept could be viable.



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